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[MaxShine]

Stardusk wrote...

How do you kill Primes and Banshees with Nightshade Blades?

You have two Hunters, a Pyro and a Banshee in front of you. Spam Nightshade Blades... Hunters dead, Pyro dead... focus on Banshee until the next units get close to you... rinse and repeat...

If you like, you can watch the vid to see what I mean...

Modifié par 100RenegadePoints, 04 mars 2013 - 08:56 .

[Deerber]

Stardusk wrote...

How do you kill Primes and Banshees with Nightshade Blades?

Pressing 2 

[llandwynwyn]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

How do you kill Primes and Banshees with Nightshade Blades?

You have two Hunters, a Pyro and a Banshee in front of you. Spam Nightshade Blades... Hunters dead, Pyro dead... focus on Banshee until the next units get close to you... rinse and repeat...

If you like, you can watch the vid to see what I mean...

Oh, this person fight like I do. Goddess is awesome with the cabal, that was a good map choice.

Tortugueta wrote...

This. I really enjoy the class, but
poison strike is completely underwhelming. It is supposed to paralyze
enemies right? I don't think I've paralyzed a single enemy in 4 or 5
extractions. Many times I dash through a few enemies and not a single
one gets the green slimy sh*t.

It paralyzes at least 2 unshielded enemies.

Modifié par llandwynwyn, 04 mars 2013 - 11:13 .

[HolyAvenger]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

How do you kill Primes and Banshees with Nightshade Blades?

You have two Hunters, a Pyro and a Banshee in front of you. Spam Nightshade Blades... Hunters dead, Pyro dead... focus on Banshee until the next units get close to you... rinse and repeat...

If you like, you can watch the vid to see what I mean...

Dat dodge Great work man

[Deerber]

llandwynwyn wrote...

Tortugueta wrote...

This. I really enjoy the class, but
poison strike is completely underwhelming. It is supposed to paralyze
enemies right? I don't think I've paralyzed a single enemy in 4 or 5
extractions. Many times I dash through a few enemies and not a single
one gets the green slimy sh*t.

It paralyzes at least 2 unshielded enemies.

Only if you take the 6b evo. And you forego double strike... :innocent:

[Tortugueta]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

How do you kill Primes and Banshees with Nightshade Blades?

You have two Hunters, a Pyro and a Banshee in front of you. Spam Nightshade Blades... Hunters dead, Pyro dead... focus on Banshee until the next units get close to you... rinse and repeat...

If you like, you can watch the vid to see what I mean...

What build do you use? Weapon or power damage in the passive? What about the blades?

[llandwynwyn]

Deerber wrote...
Only if you take the 6b evo. And you forego double strike... :innocent:

I only put 6 points in PS now. Shocking and stupid, isn't it. #nofooksgiven

[MaxShine]

Tortugueta wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

How do you kill Primes and Banshees with Nightshade Blades?

You have two Hunters, a Pyro and a Banshee in front of you. Spam Nightshade Blades... Hunters dead, Pyro dead... focus on Banshee until the next units get close to you... rinse and repeat...

If you like, you can watch the vid to see what I mean...

What build do you use? Weapon or power damage in the passive? What about the blades?

I used this build:

http://narida.pytalh...bal/FKKPF//////

I took enhanced blades, but it may be worth to experiment with exploding blades...

@llandwynwyn
yeah, Goddess is an awesome for map for this character , you can get from one side to the other crazily fast

[Alijah Green]

Annomander wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

1) He refused to use Harrier or Acolyte because Annomander made rules that you can't be accepted into the hall for using Harrier, Acolyte or running White, Ghost, Reactor, Glacier, Glacier Hazard, Reactor Hazard or White Hazard.

He's fighting on Ghost.
Annomander's rules are stupid. Who the **** cares how people solo their games? Seriously, that thread is a sad joke.

May I remind you all before you flame and rage like spoilt angry children, the rules exist for those willing to follow them. It is completely your own decision to follow the rules, just like it was my decision that a collection of platinum solo videos, all depicting giant + reegar / harrier / acolyte was against the spirit of the thread, which was designed to get people to solo with more variety. 

Up until the creation of the thread, there were under 10 classes which had been used for platinum solos. Now almost every kit has been solod with at least once.

I had not anticipated people deliberately not challenging themselves and taking the "easiest" option.

Stardusk voluntarily chose to accept the rules I imposed.

Therefore, flaming me about my rule set (which make sense: we don't have all 24 spots filled with giant / acolyte / reegar / harrier yet, so I call them a success....) is really pointless.



Stardusk needs to remember that calling for buffs because a class underperforms on platinum is fairly pointless.

If he thinks the cabal is bad on platinum, he should try some of the other kits out there and see how well he fares. Vorcha engineer? Batarian Sentinel? Volus Mercenary? Smashdept / Smashguard?

And don't flame me please, I'm Scottish; that's a battle none of you can win.

Tell that one too the Queen:pinched:

[ValorOfArms777]

..The cabals only issue is the "half of her 12m" pioson strike around 7 meters or 6 meters IDK.. is unresponsive at the end line of it... but in the basics of her build she is a mook slayer... and gains the turian super bonuses for her "passive damage boosts" she does her best work dashign around like a lunatic and if bosses are around she can dash through them and get away... even better a Juggernaut.. distracts everything and you phase through them so many times the poison over stacks, it's really more of a team play class but it's very gold viable.. and I did okay with it on plat runs too

the game was never built for "solos" nor "platnuim grade" as many have said.. most classes are built to synergize.. and thus if certain degrees of classes/powers/guns "synergize" too well or too little they need a tweak to fit the bill

example the EDI bot... it can solo plat.. yeah...(btw anndomander say that you can't plat solo with a EDI bot to your list of rules)

but all it was in basics of design was to be a offensive unit with a self help system a "crutch" as most refer to...it's up to the player econemy to MAKE it a crutch...or use it as a proper power...with plans..not 1 thing was designed around plat or bronze only silver and gold, thats the staples... period

true balance is un achievable... by laws of gaming... more choice also grants more option of breaking the balance..which is true to real world law itself...

nothing is broken it's just used more effectivly or was always mroe effective or worse than the other thing...should we nerf rattle snake venom? should we buff the alligator to have venom? what should be done in consideration is that htis class is a team work class mostly and plat is really just boss mode

Bronze - Simplistic starter easy mode laughable even nothing bases itself on it except fail avenger and plausibly shuriken xD

SIlver - The Middle ground good for test trials of characters and some simple cash the basic all rounder of the entire game (is at least 2.5 time sharder than bronze if not well preped and bosses constantly spawn now instead of limited like long ago

Gold - The high ground this is the single basis of more expierenced players exist and perform granting good team work or harsh trials of conditions but not extremly harsh to the point of unbeatable this difficulty is roughly 1.5 time sharder than SIlver

Plat - THis is in almost equation to boss rush mode with the filler mooks to grant extra hardness the only grade up of this is their damage and HP values, though I think the DMG value buffer wasn't really a big need at least Armor DR is still 50 in it, this difficulty is no way a basis for "anything" and belong in the same spectrum as bronze that both are not included for the ratio

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 04 mars 2013 - 05:13 .

[himegoto]

Stardusk wrote...

 

Terrible time, terrible failure, got tired and sloppy but the simple fact is, she is not good at taking down bosses. Sure, Platinum is broken, the game is not designed around Platinum but if I had finished it would have taken 1.5 hours maybe. That's too much. If someone has discovered some mirable way to mow down things on Platinum, do let me know.

I used the Saber and Talon btw.

Whining and complaining a kit doesn't work on platinum because clearly you didn't optimize it for platinum.
Nice.

[MetalDeggial]

Aww, someone soloed Platinum with her against Reapers on Goddess too.

I did it yesterday, but my time was better. 52:02 minutes and on Xbox, yay. In any case, Stardusk is doing it wrong. This chick is Platinum viable and the best character to come out of Reckoning.

[Vic7im]

MetalDeggial wrote...

Aww, someone soloed Platinum with her against Reapers on Goddess too.

I did it yesterday, but my time was better. 52:02 minutes and on Xbox, yay. In any case, Stardusk is doing it wrong. This chick is Platinum viable and the best character to come out of Reckoning.

If she hadn't the Turian passives she'd be the worst kit ever.

Glad that I don't like soloing platinum, it's far too weapon based for my tastes.

[MetalDeggial]

Vic7im wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

Aww, someone soloed Platinum with her against Reapers on Goddess too.

I did it yesterday, but my time was better. 52:02 minutes and on Xbox, yay. In any case, Stardusk is doing it wrong. This chick is Platinum viable and the best character to come out of Reckoning.

If she hadn't the Turian passives she'd be the worst kit ever.

Glad that I don't like soloing platinum, it's far too weapon based for my tastes.

The worst kit ever?

[Vic7im]

MetalDeggial wrote...

Vic7im wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

Aww, someone soloed Platinum with her against Reapers on Goddess too.

I did it yesterday, but my time was better. 52:02 minutes and on Xbox, yay. In any case, Stardusk is doing it wrong. This chick is Platinum viable and the best character to come out of Reckoning.

If she hadn't the Turian passives she'd be the worst kit ever.

Glad that I don't like soloing platinum, it's far too weapon based for my tastes.

The worst kit ever?

"oh look I have a grenade based power that's almost useless on bosses UNLESS I SPAM IT but oh I run out of nades so fast"

"I have a **** charge mechanic that all can do effectivly is to detonate my incendiary ammo and travel long distances"

"I have a tanky power which is good and the best dodge in the game"

bottom line: MUST rely on ammo consumables and grenades, otherwise you don't even scratch bosses, despite her great mobility and (potential) survivability.

So, IN MY OPINION, worst kit ever, without Turian passive tree.

[himegoto]

Vic7im wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

Vic7im wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

Aww, someone soloed Platinum with her against Reapers on Goddess too.

I did it yesterday, but my time was better. 52:02 minutes and on Xbox, yay. In any case, Stardusk is doing it wrong. This chick is Platinum viable and the best character to come out of Reckoning.

If she hadn't the Turian passives she'd be the worst kit ever.

Glad that I don't like soloing platinum, it's far too weapon based for my tastes.

The worst kit ever?

"oh look I have a grenade based power that's almost useless on bosses UNLESS I SPAM IT but oh I run out of nades so fast"

"I have a **** charge mechanic that all can do effectivly is to detonate my incendiary ammo and travel long distances"

"I have a tanky power which is good and the best dodge in the game"

bottom line: MUST rely on ammo consumables and grenades, otherwise you don't even scratch bosses, despite her great mobility and (potential) survivability.

So, IN MY OPINION, worst kit ever, without Turian passive tree.

Your opinions are wrong. She is one of the better kits.

http://narida.pytalh...ighterPackage5/
Learn to optimize and play before forming your opinions thanks.

[ScarletN7]

Um maybe you just don't know how to use her yet?

I'm not trying to be insulting toward you, and I'm not such an expert myself, but she just came out and is an entirely new character.

Maybe you need to practice with different builds/gun combo??

[cato potato]

Hmm...you need help soloing platinum, eh? I suggest using high dps weapons like the reegar or harrier (acolyte is a great sidearm too). Also, Giant, White, Reactor and original Ghost might be easier maps.


You're welcome.

[Zjarcal]

Deerber wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Well, I just find the Shadow one of the few Infiltrators that are well balanced.

One of the two, maybe three.

Just because you use him focusing on SS because it's hella fun. Truth is, build him on weapon damage and use SS only occasionally, and he's just as OP as any other infiltrator.

SHADOW IS NOT A HE 

EDIT: Already addressed I see. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 04 mars 2013 - 08:21 .

[Deerber]

Zjarcal wrote...

Deerber wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Well, I just find the Shadow one of the few Infiltrators that are well balanced.

One of the two, maybe three.

Just because you use him focusing on SS because it's hella fun. Truth is, build him on weapon damage and use SS only occasionally, and he's just as OP as any other infiltrator.

SHADOW IS NOT A HE 

I know, I alredy got my arse kicked for that! 

[Vic7im]

himegoto wrote...

http://narida.pytalh...ighterPackage5/
Learn to optimize and play before forming your opinions thanks.

Don't you think I did? Unlike lots of users here, I always try stuff before making a statement.

By the way you're proving my point with your build. No Poison Strike, Full Tanky Biotic Focus (as it should be) and (guess what) all Turian weapon passives aka "Brutally carried by weapons". 

Anyway, since we're talking about builds, that's mine atm. (Yes I LOVE meleeing stuff)

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Vanguard/Cabal/AKQNK/GraalSpike10AO5BN5/Acolyte10BA5AJ4/ShotgunRailAmp3/PowerEfficiencyModule3/ShockTrooperUpgrade5/

Modifié par Vic7im, 04 mars 2013 - 09:39 .

[himegoto]

Vic7im wrote...

himegoto wrote...

http://narida.pytalh...ighterPackage5/
Learn to optimize and play before forming your opinions thanks.

Don't you think I did? Unlike lots of users here, I always try stuff before making a statement.

By the way you're proving my point with your build. No Poison Strike, Full Tanky Biotic Focus (as it should be) and (guess what) all Turian weapon passives aka "Brutally carried by weapons". 

Anyway, since we're talking about builds, that's mine atm. (Yes I LOVE meleeing stuff)

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Vanguard/Cabal/AKQNK/GraalSpike10AO5BN5/Acolyte10BA5AJ4/ShotgunRailAmp3/PowerEfficiencyModule3/ShockTrooperUpgrade5/

Yes, nothing wrong with meleeing. I love meleeing also and just turn a GI into melee with the IMO perfect melee synergy weapon - Venom X

What I dont get then is your logic and reasons for calling her "the worst class ever if without turian passives"
No offense but if youre calling a soldier class with the best mobility and easy shield boost without the need to biotic charge at something risking / losing favourable position a worst. It was clear to me you were missing something huge about the kit.
Either didn't optimize it, or just a bad player.

You also mentioned her being a bad boss killer that is dependent on ammos and nades. I can see why when youre using the graal. Because you want to incorporate meleeing with her.
Which is why I optimized her with the lancer, to go with her turian passives and full fitness.
Very easy time killing bosses in platinum.

[Nariala]

Haha, I hope they never balance classes based on this drivel.
Platinum solo runs are cool if done correctly, but just because you hit a brick wall with a character build. Should we rebalance everyone to be able to solo this?

[Vic7im]

himegoto wrote...

Vic7im wrote...

himegoto wrote...

http://narida.pytalh...ighterPackage5/
Learn to optimize and play before forming your opinions thanks.

Don't you think I did? Unlike lots of users here, I always try stuff before making a statement.

By the way you're proving my point with your build. No Poison Strike, Full Tanky Biotic Focus (as it should be) and (guess what) all Turian weapon passives aka "Brutally carried by weapons". 

Anyway, since we're talking about builds, that's mine atm. (Yes I LOVE meleeing stuff)

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Vanguard/Cabal/AKQNK/GraalSpike10AO5BN5/Acolyte10BA5AJ4/ShotgunRailAmp3/PowerEfficiencyModule3/ShockTrooperUpgrade5/

Yes, nothing wrong with meleeing. I love meleeing also and just turn a GI into melee with the IMO perfect melee synergy weapon - Venom X

What I dont get then is your logic and reasons for calling her "the worst class ever if without turian passives"
No offense but if youre calling a soldier class with the best mobility and easy shield boost without the need to biotic charge at something risking / losing favourable position a worst. It was clear to me you were missing something huge about the kit.
Either didn't optimize it, or just a bad player.

None taken, it's just that she's not meant to be a soldier. It's a Vanguard, vanguards should have different skills aside from shooting things. That was my point (which I horribly pointed out after reading my older posts, sorry).

About the boss-killing it's all on personal preference. I don't have the Lancer and my Harrier is at II, so I must rely on different weapons to have some real firepower. Graal was the best choice without compromising cooldowns. My old post was because I had her running with an Hurricane III. Killing Banshees was frustrating to say the least.

From there I analyzed the class and got to the conclusion that the Cabal must rely on guns to take down bosses.
But if you have to use mostly guns to kill bosses, why not picking some Shootemup-oriented class like the Soldier or the Infiltrator? [back on top to follow my logic]

ps: My favourite class is still the Slayer, perfect example that you don't have to rely exclusively on weapons to be effective)

Modifié par Vic7im, 04 mars 2013 - 11:04 .

[himegoto]

Vic7im wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Vic7im wrote...

himegoto wrote...

http://narida.pytalh...ighterPackage5/
Learn to optimize and play before forming your opinions thanks.

Don't you think I did? Unlike lots of users here, I always try stuff before making a statement.

By the way you're proving my point with your build. No Poison Strike, Full Tanky Biotic Focus (as it should be) and (guess what) all Turian weapon passives aka "Brutally carried by weapons". 

Anyway, since we're talking about builds, that's mine atm. (Yes I LOVE meleeing stuff)

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Vanguard/Cabal/AKQNK/GraalSpike10AO5BN5/Acolyte10BA5AJ4/ShotgunRailAmp3/PowerEfficiencyModule3/ShockTrooperUpgrade5/

Yes, nothing wrong with meleeing. I love meleeing also and just turn a GI into melee with the IMO perfect melee synergy weapon - Venom X

What I dont get then is your logic and reasons for calling her "the worst class ever if without turian passives"
No offense but if youre calling a soldier class with the best mobility and easy shield boost without the need to biotic charge at something risking / losing favourable position a worst. It was clear to me you were missing something huge about the kit.
Either didn't optimize it, or just a bad player.

None taken, it's just that she's not meant to be a soldier. It's a Vanguard, vanguards should have different skills aside from shooting things. That was my point (which I horribly pointed out after reading my older posts, sorry).

About the boss-killing it's all on personal preference. I don't have the Lancer and my Harrier is at II, so I must rely on different weapons to have some real firepower. Graal was the best choice without compromising cooldowns. My old post was because I had her running with an Hurricane III. Killing Banshees was frustrating to say the least.

From there I analyzed the class and got to the conclusion that the Cabal must rely on guns to take down bosses.
But if you have to use mostly guns to kill bosses, why not picking some Shootemup-oriented class like the Soldier or the Infiltrator? [back on top to follow my logic]

ps: My favourite class is still the Slayer, perfect example that you don't have to rely exclusively on weapons to be effective)

There's a reason your favourite class is the slayer. He's one of the top of mine too.
Slayer is a well made class with synergy between his skills. A class that makes sense.
Now look at shadow (though still one of my favs with the 3 shot build), awkward sniper bonus in her cloak tree instead of melee as a CQC oriented class should. Design fail. Could use more survivibility with her innate slow mobility comparing to some of the newer classes. Still good but power creeped.
I can point out a few more. Turian soldier and havoc, Quarian soldier, and some of the latest engineers.

There are simply no choice but to resort to only guns for DPS on bosses in many of these badly and lazy made classes. The game is only giving us these lackcuster tools to work with.

What do you wish to hear from me with your last paragraph? Melee classes are generally obsolete on platinum bosses. I do bring my meleeing GI and Krolord (mostly for the debuff) and Phoenix vanguard to platinum. But those only work because they are innately strong with good power synergies.
I made a few threads on ideas to making melee builds more compatible in later gold waves and platinum but there are currently no way because of sync kills and mirco-transactions. So there you have it.

As to why not run another soldier kit than her.
First of all the tools given to me to make her better platinum compatible would be turning her into a soldier.
Second of all she is a soldier with her own niche. I am not going to repeat what we already know. But take notice that a different niche provides a different playstyle.
http://social.biowar.../index/16068681

As of current she is most fun and best for me as a soldier. She and a lot of the other kits however are not meant to have poor synergy.