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I found it dissappointing that Dragon Age only had two types of dragons shown in the game that we could fight (not counting the drakes or the male dragons). There was the Archdemon (whom many dont consider to be a true dragon) and there was the High Dragon. The problem was that the high dragon only had one character model for it, even in awakening. Can't dragons have more than appearance. Flemeth was the only one who shapeshifted into a new dragon type in the sequel. I know it was a limitation toward the technical side of the game but I hope this gets remedied.

Not every dragon is like copy-pasted and has the same body type, proportions and overall look. Dawn of the seeker had a slightly altered version but it just felt like a bigger version of the same old "High Dragon". There have to be several breeds or something, otherwise all dragons will feel like clones of each other. For those that say they are wild animals or beast's in this case, animals have breeds or call it species if you will. There isn't just one type of reptile on this earth, or one type of bird, cat or dog. Plus there is a lot about Dragons that we dont know off.

Dragons are tied to the story and lore of the game so can we please see a little bit more variety and have more types of dragons in terms of general appearence, breed and maybe even have different elemental types(more on this later). 

It would make combat more exciting as different dragons would require different strategies. A heavy bone plated tank like dragon could have an extremely high armor rating and be highly resistant to physical attacks yet could be very weak against spirit damage and/or Ice.  A dragon with corrosive fire and glutinous spit could impose penalties on armour and weapons and reduce movement speed meaning a powerful support mage could make the job a whole lot easier or a dragon with acidic poison pores and a sooty breath would make it very hard to get close and you would have to improvise with what ranged weapons you have.
 
For elemental the possibilities are endless. A frost dragon soaring in the high icy mountains near weisshaupt, an undead 7 headed hydra animated by a powerful blood mage, a magma dragon living inside an active volcano near Navarra, a demonic dragon in the fade, A sea serpent in the volca sea or Rialto bay. Some might think elemental dragons might be cliched but who knows, Bioware could pull it off. A possible explaination could be that because they are on the brink of extinction and as it is survival of the fittest, perhaps they have undergone a mutation or have evolved to adapt and survive to the environments they inhabit.  Magic or other "unknown forces" could trigger this change. It is a fantasy game after all, anything could happen. Im expecting a lot of backlash for this part of the topic.

If elemental dragons are against the lore of the series or dont exist in Thedas than that's fine. Disregard everything I just said. Still the high dragons only had one 3d render, not only were the environments repetitive but so were the dragons. They looked the same, fought the same and could defeated with pretty much the same strategies. If the lore states there is only one generic purple tinted High Dragon in Thedas, scrap everything I have said and forget about this thread. 

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For a game that has the name Dragon Age it sure as hell didn't have a lot of them in it and we only fought two, a basic generic dragon and the archdemon. All high dragons looked the same and appearance wise one or two other dragon character models would have broken up the monotony.   Also different breeds would mean different strategies for each type of dragon and elemental dragons though cliched could really help the game become more exciting if done correctly. 

Let me know what you think. Do you think DA should improve on this or it's fine the way it is?

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Well Azraelatrix, I agree with you whole heartedly. I have had the same topic on my mind for a while now. The place I would suggest Bioware looks for more inspiration for their dragons would be the DragonLance series of books. They had the Reds of fire, the Blues of the storm, the Greens of poison, the Blacks of darkness, and the Whites of frost. Not to mention the metallic dragons haha never before have I been so interested in a group of dragons. Every different color of dragon had a different way of looking at things. Reds were rebellious, hot tempered, and destructive. While Blues were honorable, extremelly intelligent, obedient, and tactical. Now I do have to point out that you forgot a few dragons. Flemeth for example. Yes she looked exactly like the other High Dragon in the first game, but had a very unique look in the second. You also forgot the Queen of Blackmarsh. She was completely made of lightning. So yes I agree that a game named Dragon Age should not only have more dragons, but a wider variety of them as well.

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I think Elemental dragons are a bit of a cheesy DnDism

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Raistlin the Warden wrote...

Well Azraelatrix, I agree with you whole heartedly. I have had the same topic on my mind for a while now. The place I would suggest Bioware looks for more inspiration for their dragons would be the DragonLance series of books. They had the Reds of fire, the Blues of the storm, the Greens of poison, the Blacks of darkness, and the Whites of frost. Not to mention the metallic dragons haha never before have I been so interested in a group of dragons. Every different color of dragon had a different way of looking at things. Reds were rebellious, hot tempered, and destructive. While Blues were honorable, extremelly intelligent, obedient, and tactical. Now I do have to point out that you forgot a few dragons. Flemeth for example. Yes she looked exactly like the other High Dragon in the first game, but had a very unique look in the second. You also forgot the Queen of Blackmarsh. She was completely made of lightning. So yes I agree that a game named Dragon Age should not only have more dragons, but a wider variety of them as well.


I agree though Dragon Lance has the fortune (?) of being something of a subset of DnD where these dragons are sentient creatures with goals, personalities and varying cultures. They are much less a bestial creature as they are an apex race of sorts.

In Dragon Age the Archdemon isn't so much a dragon as it is a corrupted form in the form of a dragon and normal everyday dragons are bestial creatures. If they continue to be a bestial creatures I expect them to stay the same, but if Flemeth actually is a dragon then I agree with you guys, I want more unique looking dragons.

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I'm disappointed in the dragons period, but thats what comes to expecting to much i guess ie i was expecting highly intelligent creatures, something akin to dragonlance where they could like take on the form of humans or other beings, not just this basic one step above every other beastie you encounter.

having said that though its only 2 games in so im hoping theres alot to be discovered still regarding them

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Dragons in this setting are ultimately animals. I don't see anyone clamoring for "elemental wolves" or "chromatic spiders". Dragons are just... dragons.

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I'd certainly like to see different colours and unique looks for individual dragons. Don't really see the need for elemental dragons in this game universe.

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Raistlin the Warden wrote...

Well Azraelatrix, I agree with you whole heartedly. I have had the same topic on my mind for a while now. The place I would suggest Bioware looks for more inspiration for their dragons would be the DragonLance series of books. They had the Reds of fire, the Blues of the storm, the Greens of poison, the Blacks of darkness, and the Whites of frost. Not to mention the metallic dragons haha never before have I been so interested in a group of dragons. Every different color of dragon had a different way of looking at things. Reds were rebellious, hot tempered, and destructive. While Blues were honorable, extremelly intelligent, obedient, and tactical. Now I do have to point out that you forgot a few dragons. Flemeth for example. Yes she looked exactly like the other High Dragon in the first game, but had a very unique look in the second. You also forgot the Queen of Blackmarsh. She was completely made of lightning. So yes I agree that a game named Dragon Age should not only have more dragons, but a wider variety of them as well.


Thanks for agreeing, I already knew about Flemeth and thank god they made a new 3d render for her in DA2 but she shared the same 3d render with the High Dragon in origins and thats why I didn't mention her, and I believe that the queen of the blackmarsh was also the High Dragon 3d render with a lighting effect.

Some people might think elemental dragons might be cheesy but fact remains Bioware should at least alter the appearence of the dragons, as it was another thing which was monotonous and dull in the series.  

Personally I would love to see a 7 or 12 headed Necro-dragon made of dragon corpses put together by a ruthless bloodmage.  

 

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wright1978 wrote...

I'd certainly like to see different colours and unique looks for individual dragons. Don't really see the need for elemental dragons in this game universe.


Fair enough, Elemental dragons might be cliched but I believe Bioware could pull it off. Elemental dragons apart unique looking dragons are what this franchise needs. Archdemon, High dragon and DA2 Flemeth got really old really fast.

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Azraelatrix wrote...
Personally I would love to see a 7 or 12 headed Necro-dragon made of dragon corpses put together by a ruthless bloodmage.  

 

Dawn of the Seeker was bad enough, don't you think?

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MisanthropePrime wrote...

Azraelatrix wrote...
Personally I would love to see a 7 or 12 headed Necro-dragon made of dragon corpses put together by a ruthless bloodmage.  

 

Dawn of the Seeker was bad enough, don't you think?


It was sub-par at best, but there's room for improvement in this franchise and the sadly the dragons could use a whole lot of improvement.

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You didn't play Awakening, did you?

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Wyverns are technically a subspecies of dragon.

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Also, it's a bit hard to have a huge variety of appearances for a creature that's supposedly on the brink of extinction.

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I disagree that the dragons are just beasts. If you remember the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest, the cultists claimed that the dragon was Andraste, and that she had spoken and imparted knowledge to them. They claimed that their Reaver abilities were attained through their connection to the dragon. I find it hard to believe that a bestial creature who survives on nothing but instinct could do these things. There are also codexs that talk about a dragon named Urzara who had a cult very similar to the Andraste cult. They claimed that Urzara was the child of Urthemiel and that her calling was to assume the Maker's throne. Then there are the Old Gods, who's worship at one point spread across all of Thedas. So either these dragons are not mindless beasts, or there are some seriously damaged individuals out there willing to believe anything.

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

You didn't play Awakening, did you?


It was stuff like that that made me kind of dislike Awakening. They went way too over the top with some things.

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MisanthropePrime wrote...

Dragons in this setting are ultimately animals. I don't see anyone clamoring for "elemental wolves" or "chromatic spiders". Dragons are just... dragons.


Definitely this. 

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Raistlin the Warden wrote...

I disagree that the dragons are just beasts. If you remember the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest, the cultists claimed that the dragon was Andraste, and that she had spoken and imparted knowledge to them. They claimed that their Reaver abilities were attained through their connection to the dragon. I find it hard to believe that a bestial creature who survives on nothing but instinct could do these things. There are also codexs that talk about a dragon named Urzara who had a cult very similar to the Andraste cult. They claimed that Urzara was the child of Urthemiel and that her calling was to assume the Maker's throne. Then there are the Old Gods, who's worship at one point spread across all of Thedas. So either these dragons are not mindless beasts, or there are some seriously damaged individuals out there willing to believe anything.

The wyvern cultists were portrayed as delusional, and the reaver abilities are based on blood magic: blood in this setting is stated to be powerful, but there's no correlation between the power of the blood and intelligence or magical potency of the creature that it comes from.

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Also, it's a bit hard to have a huge variety of appearances for a creature that's supposedly on the brink of extinction.



There are different types of bears, wolves, and other kinds of animals in real life, it would be fun to learn about different types of dragons in Thedas.

However, the dragons were supposed to be thought extinct, so I would find it strange to see a larger variety of dragons than wolves. Unless there is a prequel, or we just learn about them from a Nevarran historian.

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King Cousland wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Dragons in this setting are ultimately animals. I don't see anyone clamoring for "elemental wolves" or "chromatic spiders". Dragons are just... dragons.


Definitely this. 

That being said, I did just remember that there are some magical wolves in this setting, in the form of blight wolves, werewolves, and Witherfang/The Lady of the Forest. Dragons modified by spirits, demons or the blight (the latter which already produces Archdemons) is fine by me, but naturally occuring dragon "subspecies" or sapient dragons a la Dragonlance just seem extremely hokey to me and unfitting with this particular mileau, which has always struck me on being ultimately based on mortals and their politics.

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I approve- and not just with appearence but with difficulty. I found the dragon fights to be boring they were long fights, not hard ones. Make me regret provoking that dragon, make it kick my ass.

Like Dark Souls. Awesome dragons in that and they beat the sh!t out of you;
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Or Dragon's Dogma, they are nasty fights.
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And Grigori himself
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Dragons are intelligent creatures in DA universe- Andraste listens to the cultist and lets you passed unharmed if you choose to aid her. And the Old God themselves, who are dragons. But I found that they are...boring in DA, in both apparence and fights.

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

You didn't play Awakening, did you?

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Wyverns are technically a subspecies of dragon.

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Also, it's a bit hard to have a huge variety of appearances for a creature that's supposedly on the brink of extinction.


I actually played awakening, but I just remember the dragon having the same 3d model as the high dragon and I didn't try to bring it up because I remember it not actually being composed of matter but instead being a spectral entity.  The main point is dragons need to have more unique appearences.

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Azraelatrix wrote...
The main point is dragons need to have more unique appearences.


Why?

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KiwiQuiche wrote...

Dragons are intelligent creatures in DA universe- Andraste listens to the cultist and lets you passed unharmed if you choose to aid her. And the Old God themselves, who are dragons. But I found that they are...boring in DA, in both apparence and fights.


Dragons are just beasts, animals, no more intelligent than a dolphin.

Andraste was not reborn into a dragon, those people were crazy.

The Old Gods were in the forms of dragons but were not real dragons, as the Old Gods were sentient and could speak, and dragons are beasts and just go rawr.

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och nvm i gee up lol :wizard:

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Personally I think the idea sounds better than the actual thing. After playing 92347329847 hours of Skyrim the whole different types of dragons thing really doesn't change a whole lot. One releases frost attacks... and another with fire, ect.

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DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Dragons are intelligent creatures in DA universe- Andraste listens to the cultist and lets you passed unharmed if you choose to aid her. And the Old God themselves, who are dragons. But I found that they are...boring in DA, in both apparence and fights.


Dragons are just beasts, animals, no more intelligent than a dolphin.

Andraste was not reborn into a dragon, those people were crazy.

The Old Gods were in the forms of dragons but were not real dragons, as the Old Gods were sentient and could speak, and dragons are beasts and just go rawr.


Well duh, but it's easier then saying "Dragon who guards the ashes" each time. But she understood Kolgrim when he pleaded with her, and she lets you pass unharmed if you side with them. Obviously she understands. If she was a dumb animal she wouldn't.