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[Nightdragon8]

having too many types of dragons would i dunno not fit in with the setting imo. I mean its sposed to be really rare to see a dragon much less live to tell about it.

Also "Sharing the same model" honestly don't take that as Cannon. remember Sten didn't have horns either so.

[unbentbuzzkill]

@KiwiQuiche

true, but every species does.

[Daralii]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Humans haven't really tried to endear themselves to dragons.

I imagine after the First Blight and Andraste's subsequent Exalted March on the Imperium, Dragons were hunted in great deal because of the whole "Old Gods are False Gods" dealio.

Which then, as you said, kinda made Dragons angry.

Also, it should be noted that eventually all High Dragons go to one point to die: Drake's Fall. Could that not be a case of intelligence when they all go to the same place?

So we've established that dragons are at least as intelligent as salmon. We're making progress, guys.

On topic, since Flemeth's dragon form had a unique model in DA2, I think they'll be willing to add more variety if it's somehow noteworthy, and not just a random high dragon to fill their quota.

Modifié par Daralii, 04 mars 2013 - 01:35 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Daralii wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Humans haven't really tried to endear themselves to dragons.

I imagine after the First Blight and Andraste's subsequent Exalted March on the Imperium, Dragons were hunted in great deal because of the whole "Old Gods are False Gods" dealio.

Which then, as you said, kinda made Dragons angry.

Also, it should be noted that eventually all High Dragons go to one point to die: Drake's Fall. Could that not be a case of intelligence when they all go to the same place?

So we've established that dragons are at least as intelligent as salmon. We're making progress, guys.

Question is, are they as intelligent as humans? They certainly understand.

[Plaintiff]

Before we rush headlong into the "elemental dragons" cliche, I'd rather see a wider variety of fantastical creatures other than dragons.

[KiwiQuiche]

Plaintiff wrote...

Before we rush headlong into the "elemental dragons" cliche, I'd rather see a wider variety of fantastical creatures other than dragons.

Griffin!

[Plaintiff]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Before we rush headlong into the "elemental dragons" cliche, I'd rather see a wider variety of fantastical creatures other than dragons.

Griffin!

Griffins would be great, but I'd like a lot more than that. I understand that giant scorpions might be on the table for DA3.

[KiwiQuiche]

Plaintiff wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Before we rush headlong into the "elemental dragons" cliche, I'd rather see a wider variety of fantastical creatures other than dragons.

Griffin!

Griffins would be great, but I'd like a lot more than that. I understand that giant scorpions might be on the table for DA3.

How about giant killer Butterflies like Dark Souls?

[The Six Path of Pain]

More variety would be nice,but I really hope we have a different interaction with dragons.They have showed some intelligence wether it's minimal or full blown sentience who knows and damn it I want to know.

[MisanthropePrime]

Plaintiff wrote...

Before we rush headlong into the "elemental dragons" cliche, I'd rather see a wider variety of fantastical creatures other than dragons.

This too. That being said, I wasn't a fan of how ghasts were added into the game, since the writers mentioned how they don't want humanoids added into the game solely to be belligerent goblins for you to kill, so more along the lines of magical megafauna than orcs and such.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

However, the dragons were supposed to be thought extinct, so I would find it strange to see a larger variety of dragons than wolves. Unless there is a prequel, or we just learn about them from a Nevarran historian.

You don't, really.

On the lupine side, we have wolves, blight wolves and werewolves.

On the draconic side, we have dragon hatchlings, mature dragons, high dragons, archdemons (and/or the corrupted Old Gods depending on if you really believe they're one and the same), spectral dragons, wyverns, and apparently Flemeth. Oh, and let's not forget the flying blood dragon logo at the start of the game.

I think dragons are winning in terms of different models, skins, lore, fan debate and how much attention they get in the scheme of things. And if the comics are any indication, there'll be more.

They don't really need it, but the series is 'Dragon Age' so it's probably a given. We'll have demon-possessed dragons, spirit-possessed dragons, possessed dead dragons, blight dragons, Fade dragons, talking dragons, mounted dragons, dragon pets, dragon golems, red lyrium crazed dragons, dragons made out of lyrium, candy dragons and people who have the blood of dragons in their veins by the time we're done. So don't worry.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

More variety would be nice,but I really hope we have a different interaction with dragons.They have showed some intelligence wether it's minimal or full blown sentience who knows and damn it I want to know.

The Witcher 2 has the best dragon.

[The Six Path of Pain]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

More variety would be nice,but I really hope we have a different interaction with dragons.They have showed some intelligence wether it's minimal or full blown sentience who knows and damn it I want to know.

The Witcher 2 has the best dragon.

Haven't played it yet but i've been thinking of trying it out lately.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Well duh, but it's easier then saying "Dragon who guards the ashes" each time. But she understood Kolgrim when he pleaded with her, and she lets you pass unharmed if you side with them. Obviously she understands. If she was a dumb animal she wouldn't.

When did you see Kolgrim pleading with Andraste? We don't. For all we know he stood down on the path and talked at the sky, and 'Andraste' neither understood nor cared.

You can pass the high dragon by in perfect safety whether or not you side with the cultists, by the way. Andraste only attacks if you use Kolgrim's horn.

[Nokkela]

Plaintiff wrote...

Before we rush headlong into the "elemental dragons" cliche, I'd rather see a wider variety of fantastical creatures other than dragons.

Oh, yes please! More variety would be lovely!

I am not really opposed to more interaction, information or even different types of dragons but if they are, in fact, thought to have been extinct, it seems reasonable this would be kept to a minimum and I'd really much rather see them add more variety before adding more dragons.
We would likely all do well to remember it was called the "Dragon Age" because a dragon was sighted over the Frostback Mountains and (if I remember...) ravaging some farms or something on the Orlesian side of things. Not because there were suddenly oodles of dragons swooping down and snatching up virgins, stealing sheep and whatever else dragons do (I suppose it depends on the setting).

Modifié par lady syth, 04 mars 2013 - 02:52 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Well duh, but it's easier then saying "Dragon who guards the ashes" each time. But she understood Kolgrim when he pleaded with her, and she lets you pass unharmed if you side with them. Obviously she understands. If she was a dumb animal she wouldn't.

When did you see Kolgrim pleading with Andraste? We don't. For all we know he stood down on the path and talked at the sky, and 'Andraste' neither understood nor cared.

You can pass the high dragon by in perfect safety whether or not you side with the cultists, by the way. Andraste only attacks if you use Kolgrim's horn.

...he speaks to her if you agree to help him when you first met him; it switches to a cutscene and he'll approach the mountains, she'll fly down and he'll explain to her what you'll do and how you will help. She'll snort and roar a bit, but will leave, and you can pass by unharmed.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 04 mars 2013 - 02:58 .

[Heimdall]

I would really prefer to keep the proliferation of magical beasts to a minimum.

If it has an explanation like some sort of mutation brought about by the weakening of the veil during the war? Sure, I would just prefer a low fantasy setting for the most part

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

...he speaks to her if you agree to help him when you first met him; it switches to a cutscene and he'll approach the mountains, she'll fly down and he'll explain to her what you'll do and how you will help. She'll snort and roar a bit, but will leave, and you can pass by unharmed.

My mistake, you are correct about the cutscene (forgot about it completely. For some reason I was remembering the communion with Adraste happening off-screen).

But...the dragon still lets you pass even if you killed all the cultists. It'll let you leave too. All we really know at that point is that Kolgrim could call the dragon's attention by making a loud noise, and that it hasn't yet eaten him doing so. Just because it leaves without attacking doesn't prove it has any more intelligence than another animals which has a decent familiarity with humans.

Just because she looks really impressive doesn't make her any smarter than a mabari.

[POETICDRINK]

I love this idea OP! I have been saying this too. You have my support.

[Goneaviking]

Dragons are overplayed. Keep them mute, savage and in the background.

That they were thought to be extinct was one of the things I liked about DAO.

[ScarMK]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Well duh, but it's easier then saying "Dragon who guards the ashes" each time. But she understood Kolgrim when he pleaded with her, and she lets you pass unharmed if you side with them. Obviously she understands. If she was a dumb animal she wouldn't.

When did you see Kolgrim pleading with Andraste? We don't. For all we know he stood down on the path and talked at the sky, and 'Andraste' neither understood nor cared.

You can pass the high dragon by in perfect safety whether or not you side with the cultists, by the way. Andraste only attacks if you use Kolgrim's horn.

Uh no. You can attack her with various spells and maybe bows.  She retaliates of course, but the horn is not the only way she comes down.

[KiwiQuiche]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

...he speaks to her if you agree to help him when you first met him; it switches to a cutscene and he'll approach the mountains, she'll fly down and he'll explain to her what you'll do and how you will help. She'll snort and roar a bit, but will leave, and you can pass by unharmed.

My mistake, you are correct about the cutscene (forgot about it completely. For some reason I was remembering the communion with Adraste happening off-screen).

But...the dragon still lets you pass even if you killed all the cultists. It'll let you leave too. All we really know at that point is that Kolgrim could call the dragon's attention by making a loud noise, and that it hasn't yet eaten him doing so. Just because it leaves without attacking doesn't prove it has any more intelligence than another animals which has a decent familiarity with humans.

Just because she looks really impressive doesn't make her any smarter than a mabari.

That's okay, sometimes it's hard to recall everything, especially if you haven't played the game in a while.

But she leaves you alone in only one case-Kolgrim.
If you draw attention to youself by striking the gong, she'll simply attack, despite being around worshipping humans. She won't hesitate or act curious, she just goes "Imma eat you" mode instantly.
With Kolgrim, she'll snort and snarl but will ultimately leave you alone. Both cases are calling her attention, yet she'll leave you alone if he tells her you are an ally, showing she can understand Kolgrim or the fact you are now a 'friend'.

But it does prove she's inteligent- yes you can kill the cultists, but she doesn't have a mental link, so she's utlimately unaware that you've done so, so you can sneak by her. If you call attention to yourself, the only way she'll leave you alone is with Kolgrim's intervention. It proves she understands, at least your intent.

[imbs]

Elemental dragons are cliché but larger versions of normal animals/insects are not.

[Daerog]

Yes, the dragon can respond to verbal commands and suggestions, even possibly orders, like a dog.

Edit: On that note, how about we get a baby dragon pet? A Nevarran battlemage with a pet dragon.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 04 mars 2013 - 05:21 .