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[KiwiQuiche]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Yes, the dragon can respond to verbal commands and suggestions, even possibly orders, like a dog.

Edit: On that note, how about we get a baby dragon pet? A Nevarran battlemage with a pet dragon.

Humans also respond to verbal commands and suggestions. Just because a dragon cannot speak english doesn't mean she's just a stupid beast.

EDIT: Maybe you can free a captured baby dragon and it shows up fully grown down the track and kicks the crap out of your enemies or something. I would be chill with them beans.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 04 mars 2013 - 05:26 .

[Plaintiff]

imbs wrote...

Elemental dragons are cliché but larger versions of normal animals/insects are not.

At least the second offers more variety, both in terms of visuals and gameplay, instead of a green or blue or white reskin of the same enemy I've been fighting over and over.

[Goneaviking]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Yes, the dragon can respond to verbal commands and suggestions, even possibly orders, like a dog.

Edit: On that note, how about we get a baby dragon pet? A Nevarran battlemage with a pet dragon.

Humans also respond to verbal commands and suggestions. Just because a dragon cannot speak english doesn't mean she's just a stupid beast.

EDIT: Maybe you can free a captured baby dragon and it shows up fully grown down the track and kicks the crap out of your enemies or something. I would be chill with them beans.

So that's a maybe, maybe not?

Evidence lacking I'm going to assume they're just powerful animals and hope they remain a side issue in the series.

[Azraelatrix]

Plaintiff wrote...

Before we rush headlong into the "elemental dragons" cliche, I'd rather see a wider variety of fantastical creatures other than dragons.

I support this too, Dragon Age is a little lacking in the fantastic creature department. I just hope they dont over do it by adding every creature from greek, nordic or egyptian mythology. I would love to see some original creatures from the artistic minds of the Bioware artists so that they can really show their creativity and imaginative skills.

Modifié par Azraelatrix, 04 mars 2013 - 06:35 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

ScarMK wrote...

Uh no. You can attack her with various spells and maybe bows.  She retaliates of course, but the horn is not the only way she comes down.

Hrm, sorry, I can't find anything to confirm your claim. Short of the horn (or gong in console games?) I've seen nothing to show that the dragon battle can begin any other way.

But if you can link to a youtube video that shows otherwise, I'll believe you.

[Fredward]

OH! I know! Dragons... with different colored fire.

[Daerog]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Uh no. You can attack her with various spells and maybe bows.  She retaliates of course, but the horn is not the only way she comes down.

Hrm, sorry, I can't find anything to confirm your claim. Short of the horn (or gong in console games?) I've seen nothing to show that the dragon battle can begin any other way.

But if you can link to a youtube video that shows otherwise, I'll believe you.

I've never tried it, but the wikia says it can be done with a ranged attack or spell, like Winter's Grasp. So, just in case someone destroys the horn they can still fight the dragon, I guess.

[Azraelatrix]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Uh no. You can attack her with various spells and maybe bows.  She retaliates of course, but the horn is not the only way she comes down.

Hrm, sorry, I can't find anything to confirm your claim. Short of the horn (or gong in console games?) I've seen nothing to show that the dragon battle can begin any other way.

But if you can link to a youtube video that shows otherwise, I'll believe you.

ScarMk is right I believe. You can bring the dragon down by ringing the gong and I've read that using some area spells or some target spells like winter grasp can also bring her down. I believe its on Dragon Age wiki as well.

[Daerog]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

OH! I know! Dragons... with different colored fire.

Oh, come on. Be realistic here, that is just crazy talk.

[POETICDRINK]

Many of you make it your jobs to go against an idea. Dragon Age is a fantasy like game with dragons in it. You guys act like the stuff in this game from an history book. Some these so-called fans are like vultures hovering around this forum ready to attack suggestions, wishes and ideas.

[/b][/i]Dragon Age[/i][/b][/i] is a dark fantasy (keyword is fantasy)


fantasy[ fan-tuh-see, -zee ]noun1. imagination, especially when extravagant and unrestrained.2. the forming of mental images, especially wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing.3. a mental image, especially when unreal orfantastic vision: a nightmare fantasy.[/list]Dragons should be varied and have things about them to set them apart from others.

Modifié par POETICDRINK, 04 mars 2013 - 07:20 .

[POETICDRINK]

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Modifié par POETICDRINK, 04 mars 2013 - 07:07 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

If you draw attention to youself by striking the gong, she'll simply attack, despite being around worshipping humans. She won't hesitate or act curious, she just goes "Imma eat you" mode instantly.

I wonder if our PCs would have gotten better results if they'd immediately prostrated themselves like Kolgrim did. XD

But it does prove she's inteligent- yes you can kill the cultists, but she doesn't have a mental link, so she's utlimately unaware that you've done so, so you can sneak by her. If you call attention to yourself, the only way she'll leave you alone is with Kolgrim's intervention. It proves she understands, at least your intent.

I have to disagree with that bit, sorry. Something leaving you alone, even at another person's behest, isn't proof that it understands any sort of intent. It may well be the case here, but it's not proof. All it proves is that Kolgrim's found a way to deter the dragon from attacking him and you on that occasion.

As far as intelligence is concerned, all creatures possess their own kind of intelligence. I don't think anyone's disputing that dragons, as a species in DA, can be intelligent (I mean, the cultists had practically managed to co-exist with the younger ones if they were fighting side by side with them). I think what some of us are arguing here is whether dragons are sapient, which is a discussion for a different thread.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Azraelatrix wrote...

ScarMk is right I believe. You can bring the dragon down by ringing the gong and I've read that using some area spells or some target spells like winter grasp can also bring her down. I believe its on Dragon Age wiki as well.

Ok, if someone here's done it themselves that's good enough for me (I don't have a lot of faith in the wiki by itself--found too many errors).

The point remains though that you can completely walk past the High Dragon whether or not you sided with Kolgrim (so long as you don't blow a horn, bang a gong, or deliberately go out of your way to attack it ) He is not necessary for safe passage.

[Azraelatrix]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

If you draw attention to youself by striking the gong, she'll simply attack, despite being around worshipping humans. She won't hesitate or act curious, she just goes "Imma eat you" mode instantly.

I wonder if our PCs would have gotten better results if they'd immediately prostrated themselves like Kolgrim did. XD

But it does prove she's inteligent- yes you can kill the cultists, but she doesn't have a mental link, so she's utlimately unaware that you've done so, so you can sneak by her. If you call attention to yourself, the only way she'll leave you alone is with Kolgrim's intervention. It proves she understands, at least your intent.

I have to disagree with that bit, sorry. Something leaving you alone, even at another person's behest, isn't proof that it understands any sort of intent. It may well be the case here, but it's not proof. All it proves is that Kolgrim's found a way to deter the dragon from attacking him and you on that occasion.

As far as intelligence is concerned, all creatures possess their own kind of intelligence. I don't think anyone's disputing that dragons, as a species in DA, can be intelligent (I mean, the cultists had practically managed to co-exist with the younger ones if they were fighting side by side with them). I think what some of us are arguing here is whether dragons are sapient, which is a discussion for a different thread.

Theres a lot we dont know about dragons in DA. How did they reappear after their numbers dwindled to such low numbers, why did they leave hiding perhaps even knowing they could be wiped out for good this time. We do know they show basic survival instincts, they are territorial for one, and have a form of communication and understanding with others of their kind.

Perhaps they were once wise and powerful creatures who watched over the other races in thedas and something has corrupted and destroyed their minds, maybe they are being controlled by a higher power being bended against their wills, or maybe they are simply just savage beasts who act only out of instinct and bloodlust. Only time will tell.

[Goneaviking]

POETICDRINK wrote...

Many of you make it your jobs to go against an idea. Dragon Age is a fantasy like game with dragons in it. You guys act like the stuff in this game from an history book. Some these so-called fans are like vultures hovering around this forum ready to attack suggestions, wishes and ideas.

[/b][/i]Dragon Age[/i][/b][/i] is a dark fantasy (keyword is fantasy)


fantasy[ fan-tuh-see, -zee ]noun1. imagination, especially when extravagant and unrestrained.2. the forming of mental images, especially wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing.3. a mental image, especially when unreal orfantastic vision: a nightmare fantasy.[/list]Dragons should be varied and have things about them to set them apart from others.

On the other hand there's absolutely no reason that Dragon Age should mimic every other fantasy game with their many coloured dragons.

[MisanthropePrime]

POETICDRINK wrote...

Many of you make it your jobs to go against an idea. Dragon Age is a fantasy like game with dragons in it. You guys act like the stuff in this game from an history book. Some these so-called fans are like vultures hovering around this forum ready to attack suggestions, wishes and ideas.

[/b][/i]Dragon Age[/i][/b][/i] is a dark fantasy (keyword is fantasy)


fantasy[ fan-tuh-see, -zee ]noun1. imagination, especially when extravagant and unrestrained.2. the forming of mental images, especially wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing.3. a mental image, especially when unreal orfantastic vision: a nightmare fantasy.[/list]Dragons should be varied and have things about them to set them apart from others.

Fantasy is a tricky genre to write in because the suspension of disbelief is everything. Bioware went to great lengths to establish lore for their setting: lore which makes rules, rules which the narrative must follow, and lore that sets tone, tone that any future developments must replicate. Having a gaggle of different species of dragons go against the established lore since dragons are coming back from the brink of extinction (not to mention that mature high dragons are exceedingly rare on top of that), and it does not fit with the game's tone of avoiding fantasy cliches when it comes to sapient races.


Essentially, you say because another fantasy setting has done it, Dragon Age must do it. I say to that: go play that other fantasy game, then, and stop trying to make Dragon Age something it's not or was ever intended to be.

[Xerxes52]

I wouldn't mind seeing some Lovecraftian monstrosities from the abyss:

Shamblers!

[POETICDRINK]

People act like they really sit down and have a one on one conversation with these writers and producers. Fans can express what they want in the next game. If it's not in the Dragon Age things to do or make; why worry or even care what fans want?!?
The idea shut down hounds are hungry. Let the writers and producers do their jobs and let fans express themselves on a forum made for them. As we were...

[KiwiQuiche]

How about a hydra dragon?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Azraelatrix wrote...

Theres a lot we dont know about dragons in DA. How did they reappear after their numbers dwindled to such low numbers, why did they leave hiding perhaps even knowing they could be wiped out for good this time.

Magic. Or magic dragon sanctuaries. Or shapeshifting and breeding with humans.

Seriously though, if we can find dragons living and breeding in seemingly inaccessible parts of the Deep Roads (DA2), they'll probably never die out. I thought only brontos could live on a diet of lichen...

We do know they show basic survival instincts, they are territorial for one, and have a form of communication and understanding with others of their kind.

Like ducks!

Perhaps they were once wise and powerful creatures who watched over the other races in thedas and something has corrupted and destroyed their minds, maybe they are being controlled by a higher power being bended against their wills, or maybe they are simply just savage beasts who act only out of instinct and bloodlust. Only time will tell.

Indeed.

[Azraelatrix]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

POETICDRINK wrote...

Many of you make it your jobs to go against an idea. Dragon Age is a fantasy like game with dragons in it. You guys act like the stuff in this game from an history book. Some these so-called fans are like vultures hovering around this forum ready to attack suggestions, wishes and ideas.

[/b][/i]Dragon Age[/i][/b][/i] is a dark fantasy (keyword is fantasy)


fantasy[ fan-tuh-see, -zee ]noun1. imagination, especially when extravagant and unrestrained.2. the forming of mental images, especially wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing.3. a mental image, especially when unreal orfantastic vision: a nightmare fantasy.[/list]Dragons should be varied and have things about them to set them apart from others.

Fantasy is a tricky genre to write in because the suspension of disbelief is everything. Bioware went to great lengths to establish lore for their setting: lore which makes rules, rules which the narrative must follow, and lore that sets tone, tone that any future developments must replicate. Having a gaggle of different species of dragons go against the established lore since dragons are coming back from the brink of extinction (not to mention that mature high dragons are exceedingly rare on top of that), and it does not fit with the game's tone of avoiding fantasy cliches when it comes to sapient races.


Essentially, you say because another fantasy setting has done it, Dragon Age must do it. I say to that: go play that other fantasy game, then, and stop trying to make Dragon Age something it's not or was ever intended to be.

You make it sound as if the world of DA is completely original and has never copied another fantasy source. Apart from the qunari, mage-templar war and religion of various races I dont think anything about dragon age truly stands out as being unique or its "own thing".

A kingdom of men is broken, lost without a king who doesn't want to be king because he hates his bloodline and thinks he will miserably fail (think a sarcastic version of Aragon) , dwarves being master craftsmen living underground in once grand cities which are now only shadows of their former selves (Think Moria or Khazad-dum in this case Orzammar), grey wardens are a jedi like order sworn to protect, orc like darkspawn creatures hellbent on corrupting and destroying everything around them (except now instead of twisted, mangled elves we have all races twisted, mangled and corrupted).

Elves are tree-hugging, immortal, wise and beautiful beings (they used to be like that in DA but now they have lost it all after a great war),  large talking trees in enchanted forests, people with magic get sent to towers to learn to control magic (wheel of time series). It all sounds so familiar. It already is doing everything already done before, its a great game, dont get me wrong but you are delusional to think dragon age is original when it comes to fantasy. Everything DA does has mostly been done before, they can take whats already done and try to refine it and make it seem fresh. Every FPS after wolfenstien or doom aint a ripoff and just because they did it first doesnt mean you cant improve on it.

Modifié par Azraelatrix, 04 mars 2013 - 09:31 .

[MisanthropePrime]

I didn't say it was necessarily original, just that it avoided the cliches when it came to sapient races, IE, the stated desire to avoid creating societies of sentient creatures that are "always chaotic evil" and exist only to kill. By virtue of the necessity for dragons to be enemies, giving them more intelligence would make them into such a creature and would go against the goals of the setting.

[Azraelatrix]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

I didn't say it was necessarily original, just that it avoided the cliches when it came to sapient races, IE, the stated desire to avoid creating societies of sentient creatures that are "always chaotic evil" and exist only to kill. By virtue of the necessity for dragons to be enemies, giving them more intelligence would make them into such a creature and would go against the goals of the setting.

I mentioned in my previous post theres a lot we dont know about dragons in DA. We do know they show basic survival instincts, they are territorial, and have a form of communication and understanding with others of their kind, such as the how the males hunt and bring food for the females.

I simply speculated that perhaps maybe they were once wise, powerful and magnificent creatures and something has corrupted and destroyed their minds. Maybe they are being controlled by a higher power being bended against their wills or they are acting simply out of desperation, or maybe they are simply just savage beasts who act only out of instinct and bloodlust. They have shown intelligence and have shown that sometimes they are not just engines of destruction driven by pure rage alone. They are even believed to have been trained to fight alongside the cultist soldiers showing that they have some form of understanding.

Modifié par Azraelatrix, 04 mars 2013 - 09:40 .

[BigBad]

I don't care whether it turns out that dragons are just plain ol' beasts that happen to be big and vicious enough to qualify as a natural disaster or secretly the larval form of uber-magic Old Gods. It's sort of pointless to argue about it now, as we have very little evidence and only cryptic references from sketchy characters.

But I'd rather not see DA go all D&D with the 'Blue dragons breath lightning, green dragons breathe poison gas, gold dragons breathe money" etc. The absolute laziest way to create variety in creature subtypes is to give them an elemental designation and a palette swap. Why would anyone request this?

[Azraelatrix]

BigBad wrote...

I don't care whether it turns out that dragons are just plain ol' beasts that happen to be big and vicious enough to qualify as a natural disaster or secretly the larval form of uber-magic Old Gods. It's sort of pointless to argue about it now, as we have very little evidence and only cryptic references from sketchy characters.

But I'd rather not see DA go all D&D with the 'Blue dragons breath lightning, green dragons breathe poison gas, gold dragons breathe money" etc. The absolute laziest way to create variety in creature subtypes is to give them an elemental designation and a palette swap. Why would anyone request this?

Read the whole post on the first page before commenting. I stated that if you find elemental cliched "forget everything I said". A change of appearence is the main emphasis if elemental aren't your thing. Repetitive "High Dragon" character model got overused way too many times and it would be nice to see a few unique looking dragons. 

Modifié par Azraelatrix, 04 mars 2013 - 09:51 .