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[RadishAnarcane]

Can I enter the Proving without accepting the quest to fight in Harrowmont's name?  My conversation with the Proving Master before meeting with either of the potential-kings' lackeys certainly made it sound like I could enter it just for ****s and giggles eventually (or, rather, just to force all the dwarven tight-asses to endure a casteless winning again, as my dwarven commoner hero was very much looking forward to). After playing through more of Orzamar, however, I'm beginning to think the Proving will perpetually be "just a few hours" away unless I accept the quest from Harrowmont's lackey. Is this indeed true?

If it is, first off: What the hell? (Mostly rhetorical.) And secondly, can I accept the quest just so the game lets me enter the Proving, but then *not* fight in Harrowmont's name, or do anything else the quest directs, and finish the Proving without upsetting Bhalen? Because my hero is not about to betray her sister by genuinely siding with Harrowmont. Not to mention she's a big fan of reformation/desecration (whichever) of dwarven culture, as Bhalen seems to advocate.

[jsachun]

No, but you can change sides after with right dialogue option or high coercion skills.

[Herr Uhl]

Do Bhelens first quest first.

[mousestalker]

I've done all the Proving fights (main and alternate) without ever speaking to Harrowmount or his lackey. Just wait until after you complete at least one of Bhelen's quests. If you talk to the Proving Master he will let you know when you may start fighting.

[TrinityDivine]

Suggestion: Just save your game, try it and go back to your saved game if you don't like the outcome.



I *think* it's possible to enter the proving without doing so in Harrowmont's name because all the dialogue options during the fights have both generic responses and "...in Harrowmont's name... blah blah blah".



But, I haven't tried doing this so I don't really know. What I did try was to complete all of Bhelen's quests and then turn around completely and chose Harrowmont at the end (once I had the crown). I believe I managed to alienate them both though, so you might not want to do that.



Just make sure you save your game and try all the possibilities. It's more fun that way.

[Herr Uhl]

TrinityDivine wrote...

Suggestion: Just save your game, try it and go back to your saved game if you don't like the outcome.

I *think* it's possible to enter the proving without doing so in Harrowmont's name because all the dialogue options during the fights have both generic responses and "...in Harrowmont's name... blah blah blah".

No, unless you do one of Bhelens quests first, you're stuck with choosing to be Harrowmonts champion.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Even if you don't do the whole 'betrayal from within' thing, if you side with Bhelen from the start and go ALL the way through to him being King. AFTER that, you can then enter the provings just for the fun of it. There is also another set of proving grounds battles you can take part in, by talking to the Proving Grounds Armsman? in one of the side rooms.

[mousestalker]

If you back Bhelen you don't have to do all his quests to fight in the ring. I think it opens up after one quest, but you may need to actually speak with Bhelen first. It's morning and the coffee hasn't done its magic yet.

[Herr Uhl]

mousestalker wrote...

If you back Bhelen you don't have to do all his quests to fight in the ring. I think it opens up after one quest, but you may need to actually speak with Bhelen first. It's morning and the coffee hasn't done its magic yet.

I think I did it after finishing up business with lady Dace, so no.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

The trouble that people seem to have is that they think they can do both groups 'first tasks'.



You can't and this is confirmed by Vartag (not sure about Dulin as only betrayed Harrowmont so far).



On one of the last playthroughs of "Paragon of her Kind" my character, initially sided with Harrowmont, did the proving fight, but then went to Vartag, explained how I did it to gain Harrowmont's trust and he set me up on finding out what the next task Harrowmont wanted me to do. At this point he does state that the warden DOESN'T have to do the whole 'Dace/Helmi' thing.



So went to Harrowmont, found out Jarvia is next target, went back to Vartag and got an item to place in Jarvia's hideout to incriminate Harrowmont. From then on I stuck with Bhelen and all of the quests properly updated.



As I mentioned before though, on one playthrough I sided with Bhelen but after I had him crowned I went to the Proving Grounds and was able to take part in a Proving totally non-quest related and then also the 'illegal' proving ground fights which nets some silver and at the end a blood mage ring

[jsachun]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

The trouble that people seem to have is that they think they can do both groups 'first tasks'.

You can't and this is confirmed by Vartag (not sure about Dulin as only betrayed Harrowmont so far).

On one of the last playthroughs of "Paragon of her Kind" my character, initially sided with Harrowmont, did the proving fight, but then went to Vartag, explained how I did it to gain Harrowmont's trust and he set me up on finding out what the next task Harrowmont wanted me to do. At this point he does state that the warden DOESN'T have to do the whole 'Dace/Helmi' thing.

So went to Harrowmont, found out Jarvia is next target, went back to Vartag and got an item to place in Jarvia's hideout to incriminate Harrowmont. From then on I stuck with Bhelen and all of the quests properly updated.

As I mentioned before though, on one playthrough I sided with Bhelen but after I had him crowned I went to the Proving Grounds and was able to take part in a Proving totally non-quest related and then also the 'illegal' proving ground fights which nets some silver and at the end a blood mage ring

You are correct. It's probably a bug they put in with one of the patches. you still fight in Harrowmounts name but do not upset Behelen. What the F_ _K? I'm fighting  King Behelen champions & I just put him on the throne.

It's better if you go to the proving grounds after you crown Harrowmount & start a dialogue with each of the fighters in the waiting room. And you'll get to fight some of them agian for XP & Loot  & You get to kill them permanently.

Modifié par jsachun, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:46 .

[Sunthas]

Herr Uhl wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

If you back Bhelen you don't have to do all his quests to fight in the ring. I think it opens up after one quest, but you may need to actually speak with Bhelen first. It's morning and the coffee hasn't done its magic yet.

I think I did it after finishing up business with lady Dace, so no.

Yes, this is what I did on my first playthrough as well. I went and did a few quests for Bhelen then went and entered the proving. At that point you can fight for Harrowmont, Bhelen, or yourself. I fought for myself. 

[Yrkoon]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Do Bhelens first quest first.

^ Yes.

If you  Bhelen's first quest first, then go to the proving grounds, the Proving dialogues changes.  Your opponents will instantly know that you're working for Bhelen.  They'll say stuff like  "It's an honor to fight you"  and  "you do Bhelen proud with this fight" etc.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:32 .

[RSTORM50]

You may not be able to do both Bhelen and Harrowmont's first quests, but you can play both sides in a sense, My last playthrough, I started with Bhelen, got the papers... took them to the Shaper to find they were forged, then confronted Vartag with that piece of info. From there, I went to Dulin and signed on as the Harrowmont champion, and did the proving.



Once that was done, Vartag was waiting for me and the option to play both sides presented itself. He wanted to be kept informed of what Harrowmont wanted me to do, and said I need not complete the first quest. So I get the Carta quest from Harrowmont, went back to Vartag and was given the task of planting evidence on Jarvia linking her to Harrowmont.



Once that quest was done, I was able to talk to both Bhelen and Harrowmont. Both of them of course wanted me in the deep roads for Branka.



It was an interesting change of pace

[rosmarinaus]

I was able to do the Proving after doing Bhelen's first quest, as others have already mentioned.



By the way, it looks like there are options every step of the way to choose one or the other regardless of whose quests you have done, even up to the moment when you present the crown. I decided Bhelen would be the better king early on, so I stuck with him. Comments welcome if you actually did switch.

[Sunthas]

I did Bhelen's first item talking to Dace, not sure if I went and fetched him out of deep roads, and talking with the other guy in the Tavern. And ofcourse Harrowmont's second stopped me after getting bheln's quest, so I immediately started playing both sides. I went to the proving grounds and got the letters and got Harrowmont's guys back into the fight. Then when I did enter the fight it asked me if I wanted to fight for Harrowmont, Bhelen, or myself. I fought for myself and made no commitments during or after the fight for either king.

[Veemel]

I think you can enter the proving without fighting for Harrowmount, if you find out why his fighters dropped out and then enter for the gray wardens. If you enter under the GW, you'll fight slightly different opponents. I did this during a playthrough siding with Bhelen, but can't remember the exact sequence. I think I went for the lords after this.



And if you intend to play both sides, save often, it is quite easy to run into a gamebreaker doing that. From what I gather anyway, always been the nice guy and picked my side early. And all the above is on the xbox version.