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[dcal31]

Okay, at this point can we just move the R&R discussion to it's own thread? It's kind derailed the original point of this thread.

[ChuckTesla]

Codename_Code wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

You couldn't be taking this more out of context.

Humans vs. humans, where you KNOW the enemy is going to be fatigued and need rest as much as you will, then R&R is certainly an option.

But when you're fighting a giant robotic army that's hellbent on wiping out everything that moves and does not rest, sleep, eat or stop, explain how you can?

It's completely in context, because while they may be robots, humans aren't. Soldiers in real life don't take R&R because of the nature of the enemy, they take R&R because otherwise their bodies or minds would break down. Last I checked, that still applies in Mass Effect.

Who cares.

I am also frustrated that my Shepard isn't spending every waking moment shooting a gun at everything while everyone around him notices that he is about to completely fall apart.

[NM_Che56]

AlanC9 wrote...

Master Che wrote...


Wow...so I guess the US military has Wehrmacht had it all wrong...

World War II...kind of a big deal. 

Better example. The German regime was facing annihilation (and in the case of many of its top officers, personal annihilation too.) And yet they maintained leave policies for their soldiers that were a good deal better than the US did. It's generally believed that this helps to explain why the German soldiiers were, man-for-man, more effective than Western Allies soldiers until the very end of the war.

ok...sure.  LOL.  Don't know of the Wehrmacht's goings ons but sounds like a well made argument.

With the U.S., from what I remember from history class, victory was never assured.  Zee Germans were giving us hell, especially in North Africa.  Even in the Pacific theater, things weren't all rosey.  Hell, some say the Battle of Iwo Jima turned the tide of the war with Japan (against the U.S.) around in our (American) favor.

YET, despite this, GIs got leave and R&R.

[humes spork]

Bronze65 wrote...

Doesn't even compare. WWII, while a tremendous tragedy with millions upon millions of lives affected, does NOT compare to galaxy ending annihilation. Ever stop to think the enemy was human, and because they also would need a break, we might need one too?

Never mind the fact the enemies are predominantly two-kilometer-tall robots capable of brainwashing troops practically at will, and for that reason anybody on the front is going to have to be rotated out frequently not only to check for mental stresses but also signs of indoctrination, sure.

[AlanC9]

Codename_Code wrote...
Also consider, you can Apparently play this DLC after thessia, where the reapers killed all the asaris, the illusive man almost killed you and took the key to stop the war, and shepards mind is in " Im going to kill everybody" mode

If you don't want to play the DLC then, don't play the DLC then.

Why do you care what other players do?

[dcal31]

AlanC9 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Are you kidding me? Soldiers do no need R&R right you sir a way to ignorant to even talk of Military men and women you sir can well... I cant really say what I want on here but I am sure you can use the little brain God gave you to think of what i wanted to say now do sit in a dark corner and think about what you said

what is this I don't even

Maybe there's some sort of competition for least coherent post?

Or is it a parody? Sometimes satire on this board goes right past me because so many sincere posts are nuts.

Poe's Law

[dreamgazer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...
Also consider, you can Apparently play this DLC after thessia, where the reapers killed all the asaris, the illusive man almost killed you and took the key to stop the war, and shepards mind is in " Im going to kill everybody" mode

If you don't want to play the DLC then, don't play the DLC then.

Why do you care what other players do?

Is there something wrong with a player trying to wrap their mind around the logic of the very last piece of Mass Effect DLC to be released? 

[NM_Che56]

dcal31 wrote...

Okay, at this point can we just move the R&R discussion to it's own thread? It's kind derailed the original point of this thread.

you have a point.

[jumpingkaede]

Giubba1985 wrote...

So yes it's pretty consistent to me.

It's not consistent because ME3 now seemingly plays out like this:

Everyone: "Yo Shepard, relax."

Shepard: "NO!  EVERYONE IS COUNTING ON ME!  I'll sleep when I'm dead right now I'm too busy saving the flippin' galaxy to relax plus omg everytime I close my eyes I have nightmares bldahfhadnh2nkniundad! and now holy cow the Catalyst but man I'm just tired of all the fighting and getting blown up and stuff, whatever, good luck galaxy I did my best..." 

Traynor: "Hey, why don't we go to that new casino that just opened!"

Shepard: "Okay!" 

That said, I don't really have a problem with it because ME3 hasn't been a cohesive whole since... well, ever.  So bring on the fanservice!  

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 04 mars 2013 - 07:18 .

[KrazyKiko]

Don't get me wrong, I love this series...but the script writing doesn't seemed as polished as I would have done. Random announcement of an apartment for Shepard and then random person screaming that someone is out to get Shepard is corny...where's the style and creative writing to introduce these elements? They had all the writers involved....!!! Either way, I will play and enjoy the journey!

[ChuckTesla]

KrazyKiko wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I love this series...but the script writing doesn't seemed as polished as I would have done. Random announcement of an apartment for Shepard and then random person screaming that someone is out to get Shepard is corny...where's the style and creative writing to introduce these elements? They had all the writers involved....!!! Either way, I will play and enjoy the journey!

It's a trailer.

[Raging_Pulse]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

isnudo wrote...

Have to admit, I, like others, do have a nagging concern that this will be more about heartwarming moments and fond farewells than the actual plot. Whilst nice in it's own way, it might feel out of place, especially in the face of the grim, millions being butchered, civilisation collapsing theme of the game as a whole. So, whilst I'm certainly not against that content being there, I hope it's not the primary focus of the DLC.

Still, given the size of it, I'm inclined to think there's a lot more to it than the trailer showed, so still looking forward to it.

I'm with you. I also hope that they didn't show much of the plot just to avoid spoilers. Hopefully the bulk of the dlc will be the story conspirasy-story part and not the cheese.

+1

[humes spork]

Master Che wrote...

With the U.S., from what I remember from history class, victory was never assured.  Zee Germans were giving us hell, especially in North Africa.  Even in the Pacific theater, things weren't all rosey.  Hell, some say the Battle of Iwo Jima turned the tide of the war with Japan (against the U.S.) around in our (American) favor.

That would be the US history classes, mind you. The reality is, the war in Europe was effectively over as of the Battle of Moscow and everything else was a matter of time and attrition. As for the Pacific front, it was a lost cause for the Japanese around...Pearl Harbor or so. Japanese wartime production, even accounting for the Chinese occupation, could not and never would have rivaled American wartime production especially in terms of raw materiel of which the Japanese were constantly critically short.

[Battlebloodmage]

All work and no play makes Shepard a dull boy.

It's not healthy to keep killing. Everyone needs a break every once in a while to maintain their sanity.

[Jere85]

As someone that's still is very upset about the endings, discussed anything there was to discuss, i must say... Yeah trailer looked really awesome, and well, it sucks that the ending is what it is, but for those that don't like the ending, its pretty easy to headcanon a DLC like this as an epilogue, as far as i can tell from the trailer. So ill say... we'll see, but good game BioWare... There might be hope for you yet.

Modifié par Jere85, 04 mars 2013 - 07:23 .

[MattFini]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

xx DJ ONE xx wrote...



I'd like to see the moments after that picture was taken...as Jack throws down a Shockwave to remove Liara & little miss "Shepard...don't forget about those unread messages...or I'll remind you...again & again..." Chick off the couch. Then elbows Tali & knees Miranda in her gut while vaulting over the back & into the seat next to HER man. And finally glances over at that robot-blow-up-doll and flips her off in case she started getting any ideas.

This is the cheesiest and most cringeworthy moment of the entire series, and there were a few cliched and cheesy moments in the trilogy (especially in ME2).

Wow. I disagree. I love it. 

[loominousfish]

Bronze65 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Shepard clearly DOESN'T deserve it before the actual war is over.
That's what most intelligent and logical fans would think.

You heard it here, folks. Soldiers don't deserve R&R until the war is over.

You couldn't be taking this more out of context.

Humans vs. humans, where you KNOW the enemy is going to be fatigued and need rest as much as you will, then R&R is certainly an option.

But when you're fighting a giant robotic army that's hellbent on wiping out everything that moves and does not rest, sleep, eat or stop, explain how you can?

Because while the Reapers certainly don't need R&R, Shepard is still human (albeit with cybernetic implants) and does. 

Yes, it sucks that Anderson and all the other soldiers stuck on their home planets can't rest and must continue fighting to their bitter end, but do you really think that they aren't also grabbing R&R when they can? Certainly not to the extent that Shepard and Co. are on the Citadel, but even something as small as a cigarette or reminiscing with their trench-fellows can be constituted as R&R, because in a war situation, even in (and I dare say, especially) one as big as this one, I imagine you take whatever chance you can get to keep your mind off things. Any chance you can get to rest, relax, and forget just how tired and hopeless you're feeling, and maybe try to remember just what it is that's keeping you fighting.

And look at Purgatory! Purgatory was essentially set up so that soldiers on shore leave while their ships were being refueled and refitted could grab some R&R! Big giant squid-bots trying to kill all the things certainly hasn't stopped them from trying to have fun while they can. 

Additionally, the people stuck in the gallows on Earth, Palaven, Thessia, ect... are all basically waiting on Shepard to gather the fleets together and bring the Crucible. Shepard in turn, is also waiting for the various different fleets to get their stuff together. It makes sense that there is some degree of downtime in between all the battles and political bull****.

Anderson also has concern for Shepard's mental health throughout the core game, shown when Joker mentions that Anderson told him to look after Shepard. Shepard is the figurehead of the entire galactic fleet, the glue that holds them all together. Over com (I think, I admit my memory is shaky on this front), Anderson even mentions that the soldier's morale is boosted because of Shepard. If Shepard falls apart, there's a good chance much of the fleet may as well.

So Anderson reccommending R&R in the middle of a war-effort? Not really far-fetched. Not at all.

[ChuckTesla]

MattFini wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

xx DJ ONE xx wrote...



I'd like to see the moments after that picture was taken...as Jack throws down a Shockwave to remove Liara & little miss "Shepard...don't forget about those unread messages...or I'll remind you...again & again..." Chick off the couch. Then elbows Tali & knees Miranda in her gut while vaulting over the back & into the seat next to HER man. And finally glances over at that robot-blow-up-doll and flips her off in case she started getting any ideas.

This is the cheesiest and most cringeworthy moment of the entire series, and there were a few cliched and cheesy moments in the trilogy (especially in ME2).

Wow. I disagree. I love it. 

It's just the sendoff. "We hope you enjoyed your time with the characters! This is probably the last you'll ever see of them as far as new content goes."

[Zkyire]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

This is the cheesiest and most cringeworthy moment of the entire series, and there were a few cliched and cheesy moments in the trilogy (especially in ME2).

I now understand why some Devs don't like posting here.

[xoxin]

dcal31 wrote...

Okay, at this point can we just move the R&R discussion to it's own thread? It's kind derailed the original point of this thread.

I agree. Moving the R&R discussion to a new thread would definitely be a service to this thread.

No Harbinger romance. Only bad thing about this DLC.

"Shepard. I know you feel this...."

[Lucky Mame]

Interesting. I wasn't intending to buy the DLC but after seeing the trailer I am now considering about it. It would seem to work as a proper goodbye to characters and the trilogy, even if it's a bit cheesy.

I chuckled a bit when Shepard mentioned Harbinger's trashtalks.

Modifié par Lucky Mame, 04 mars 2013 - 07:30 .

[xx DJ ONE xx]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

xx DJ ONE xx wrote...



I'd like to see the moments after that picture was taken...as Jack throws down a Shockwave to remove Liara & little miss "Shepard...don't forget about those unread messages...or I'll remind you...again & again..." Chick off the couch. Then elbows Tali & knees Miranda in her gut while vaulting over the back & into the seat next to HER man. And finally glances over at that robot-blow-up-doll and flips her off in case she started getting any ideas.

This is the cheesiest and most cringeworthy moment of the entire series, and there were a few cliched and cheesy moments in the trilogy (especially in ME2).

It's probably safe to assume you ignored the <Dance> option while visiting the clubs of the ME Universe...

[KillTheWiseOne]

This looks half good, half pure cheese. I'll hold off on buying it until the fan responses are in. If it sounds like they can justify throwing a huge party while the universe burns, then I will give it a shot. I'm not buying the whole, "you need some R&R," thing. Remeber when Shep said, "I'll sleep when I'm dead." looks like that line will be laughable now. Seeing as how you will have just finished cuddling on couch watching movies with your LI.

Modifié par KillTheWiseOne, 04 mars 2013 - 07:31 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Could we maybe, just this once, relax with the constant complaining?

[Darth_Trethon]

Anyone else notice how they took the Joker's line from The Dark Knight and managed to turn it lame....coming in a robotic tone from a character without face or personality. That was a bit depressing to me.