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[Carol L S]

Does anyone have Sten set up to tank? I would like to use him this time instead of Alistair just to change the game up.

Thanks for any advic!

[Envor44]

No, It would be completly ridiculous...even though Sten suit for heavy armor he's not fit for shield...but you can try though.

Modifié par Envor44, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:50 .

[bas273]

Nope but it is possible.

Recruit him ASAP and raise his Dexterity stat. Get all the Weapon & Shield talents.

Raise his Strength to 38/42 for Massive Armor.



Sten starts the game with some Two-Handed Weapon talents but you can just ignore them and go for the Weapon&Shield tree.

[LadySeryn]

Sten's two biggest problems with being a tank are that by default he's got almost no Dexterity and no Constitution. As soon as he draws the enemy's attention, his low dexterity means every enemy swing will hit him, and his low constitution means he doesn't have enough hit points to survive for very long.



You CAN turn him into a tank, but you need to spend a few levels getting his dexterity (and thus his Defense) up to a reasonable level so that he doesn't take as much damage. A little bit of constitution helps by giving him a bit more hit points, which in turns gives him and/or your healer extra time to heal him. Focus on equipment that gives you either +Defense or +Health first, then round out his other attributes. +Healing is also a big help.



You can start putting talents into the Sword & Shield line of skills, but he can tank with the Two-Handed weapons too (just perhaps not as well).



It helps if the rest of your party is very damage-oriented, because Sten just doesn't seem to last as long in a fight.



I would also consider giving him either the Reaver specialization to improve threat management and give him an additional way to heal or Champion for the party buffs and enemy debuffs.

[Carol L S]

Thanks for the replies.  It sounds like it might be more trouble thatn it's worth!  I think I'll use Shale to tank instead.  I'm just trying to get away from Alistair!

[atheelogos]

I've been wanting to try this myself, but I always end up going back to Alistair. I don't know it just feels right

[AndreaDraco]

I'm currently using Shale (after having used Alistair during my first playthrough), and before getting Shale I was usign Sten, after redesigning him with the Respec Mod, that is. Otherwise, I found him pretty useless as a tank (or a DPS for that matter, but this is just my taste). Anyway, if you're not on console, the Respec Mod allows you to use Sten as a tank efficiently, at the cost of a lower (at least in the beginning) Strength.

[ejikvkaske]

Shale is a great tank early on. Later in the game Alistair becomes much better.



As for Sten, unless you respec him to a S&B, he is pointless as a tank. As a 2H he doesn't have the benefits of Shield Wall and is vulnerable to flanking attacks, meaning he dies quickly when surrounded by enemies. He's also vulnerable against enemy archers and mages. Therefore in order to have any survivability he requires a significant increase in dex/con(preferably both), which would of course come at the expense of strength, leading to a significant reduction in damage and possibly attack(if you pump con). So what you end up with is a 2H that dishes out a very moderate amount of damage, and is at the same time considerably more fragile then a S&B tank.

[slash197]

Respec mod: http://social.bioware.com/project/469/

[Akimb0]

slash197 wrote...

Respec mod: http://social.bioware.com/project/469/

That.

Also it -is- hard to not use Alistair simply for the reason that he's a Templar and can use the magic resistance gear which is Templar only.

[Crusader-Be]

I use him as a 2 handet tank, him and alistair together with a rogue and mage is a pretty good party.



i do have my main character creating health poultices for health regen during combat

[addiction21]

Crusader-Be wrote...

I use him as a 2 handet tank, him and alistair together with a rogue and mage is a pretty good party.

i do have my main character creating health poultices for health regen during combat

Something similiar. My pc and sten swinging 2 handers with taunt and some extra dex. On hard difficulty. Leli with the bow and wynne as cc/heals. Worked pretty good. I would keep them close so when one used something like the big sweep (whatever it that you hit and knock the every around you down) could be used twice on the same group.
While the two big studs were up front I lit the girls tear apart any mage or ranged I felt needed to die.

The biggest problem of not having the shield talents is that it is possible for mobs to drift into your flank. Where having a shield with the talents would make that impossible.

[Darth_Shizz]

addiction21 wrote...
The biggest problem of not having the shield talents is that it is possible for mobs to drift into your flank. Where having a shield with the talents would make that impossible.

Making Sten a champion is one way of getting around this. Between warcry and sweep, enemies shouldn't be flanking for too long. 

I personally used this method on Nightmare with two 2-handed warriors to much success. 

[auxleyleonard]

You don't even need DEX, Defense or Shield to be main tank in this game.



Sten does full tanking job for me with 50 STR, 50 CON build -- 2 handed maul equipped. He will take damage, yes, but with good enough healing power and potions, he will definitely survive. Besides, he can ditch out really HIGH damage to make incredibly high threat. Two Handed Sweep, a great tool for generating AOE threat, is clear advantage over S/B tanker.

[Andat]

Sure, I use him as a tank. I've been concentrating mainly on strength (for the higher armour limit) and constitution, with a point here and there on dexterity. I've also got him in matching armour for the item set bonus, and I've given him a greatsword with a basic sword and shield as backup. (Though I did give him an aodh to go with the shield but haven't got round to trying it out yet).



I like to mix it up a little and not focus too heavily on one party setup, so I also use Alistair and Shale (and Oghren when I get to that point on this playthrough),



As always, though, it's a case of YMMV, since your other characters may be set up differently. For example, in this playthrough I've been using Wynne and my mage PC in almost every quest, which actually gives me two healers. Between them, they can keep any tank alive and still deal some damage.

[addiction21]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

addiction21 wrote...
The biggest problem of not having the shield talents is that it is possible for mobs to drift into your flank. Where having a shield with the talents would make that impossible.

Making Sten a champion is one way of getting around this. Between warcry and sweep, enemies shouldn't be flanking for too long. 

I personally used this method on Nightmare with two 2-handed warriors to much success. 

I was going to add something similiar.  I made him a reaver and just had my pc and sten stand back to back.

[Hulk Hsieh]

addiction21 wrote...

Darth_Shizz wrote...

addiction21 wrote...
The biggest problem of not having the shield talents is that it is possible for mobs to drift into your flank. Where having a shield with the talents would make that impossible.

Making Sten a champion is one way of getting around this. Between warcry and sweep, enemies shouldn't be flanking for too long. 

I personally used this method on Nightmare with two 2-handed warriors to much success. 

I was going to add something similiar.  I made him a reaver and just had my pc and sten stand back to back.

Yes. After becoming more familiar with 2-handed warriors, I really think a pure shield/dex tank is quite a waste.

[DrafonGire]

I made Sten a DW monster with high dex/con and he's a great tank. Just mows through everything with Keening Blade and Veshialla

[Hydrasdead]

All up i would definitely reconsider using sten as tank. By time youv specd him to be a good tank your already far through the game. I personally think shale if you can stand the boredom...

[Marvin_Arnold]

Sten dies quickly in the beginning, but with perseverance and the right building strategy, he can be a good tank as a 2H warrior. No need for that respec mod.

[yonot]

I like the two hand abilties as a tank better. I use morrigan sten and wynne with me as i dual wield.