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[ChrisDV]

MrDbow wrote...

ChrisDV wrote...




But more importantly: Yay Miri!

Excuse me Sir, Mame:

How dare you use my screen capture of a publicly shown trailer to create a funny meme and not give proper credit to said "photographer" of screen capture.  This is an outrage.

I demand compensation that is worthy of this "work of art."

One "BroFist" will surfice.

Thank you.

MrDbow

Fine, you may have your "BroFist"
*Raises arm for BroFist*

[Mathias]

justafan wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Why are you even trying to appeal to them?

He has a point, casual fans are still fans.  After all, there are those poor people who only started the series at ME3, unaware of the awesomeness that was ME2 characters.  Liara plays a big role, and is known by the majority of fans.  Since they want everyone to be interested in the DLC, it makes sense they would give well known characters the lines, while the fans get more in-jokes with the screnes (Fleet and Flotilla with Tali?  Dancing lessons with Garrus? Tattoos with Jack? Brilliant!)

Poor people? What? If people started the series with ME3, then that's on them. We have the Mass Effect Trilogy, so new people can catch up. I'm saying Bioware shouldn't be so worried about appealing to the casual fans as much as they should with their hardcore. It's been a year and most of the casuals have moved on by this point. 

[littlewing]

Dat sad moment in the ending when everybody shouts 'Normaaaandy'

Modifié par sonidaan, 04 mars 2013 - 11:34 .

[littlewing]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

jmaster888 wrote...

*ZING*

GIFSoup

No matter how many times that clip loops, it will never be as eternal as your collective butthurt...

[Zakuspec089]

THE MORE LIARA THE BETTER. I dislike seeing hate and disrespectful threads to my favorite and beloved character.

Honestly how can you dislike like The Sexy Blue Lovable Lady? I was annoyed and many other when she and others characters weren't in Mass Effect 2. Also to teh haters you don;t have to talk to her you know.

It's also funny seeing people jealous of video games characters, characters they know nothing about. If you don;t like The Characters leave them be, don't hate on them. If you do hate on them there will be fans and people who will fight back, we all know haters hate on everything.

I hated Mirnada and few others in Mass Effect 2 now I don't, you shoudl stop hating on Liara. Everyone gets a fair piece and you know Mass Effect 2 were temporarry characters anyways not real crew members. I know many people started out on Mass Effect 2 which was pathetic.

Anyways The more LIARA the BETTER.

Modifié par Zakuspec089, 04 mars 2013 - 11:39 .

[ChrisDV]

Oh look, Liaramancers decided to come & ruin everyone else's fun time...

[The Night Mammoth]

themikefest wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Why should there be a chance for them to die?

I can see how that appears like an attempt to circumvent the question, but I'm serious. What would their deaths add to the story and game? How would it be implemented? What would players who don't have a larger roster of previous friends and allies to call on do considering Liara is the token biotic and James the replacement Krogan?

And I'm looking for a reason that isn't 'because everyone else can', or 'I don't like this character', because the former is just meaningless, it's not some series standard or requirment and it addresses none of the above points, and the latter is simply subjective.

Since you have to have at least two squadmates for the beam run and one of them has to be the robot(if you choose green)., you can have Tali,Garrus, Javik(if recruited) and Ashly/Kaidan.

Now I know you can do a palythrough with only T'Soni,robot and James.

What would their deaths add to the story. Sacrifice that shepard has to go through to end the war just like he/she did with other character deaths..

That's subjective to how much a person likes the character, there are already plenty of character deaths which add to the theme of sacrifice, and I don't see how specifically Liara or James dying adds anything to the story. 

Assuming someone likes Liara, and ignoring other issues, what would her death bring to the story that hasn't already been brought? Aside from someone who doesn't like her getting to fulfill their fantasy. 

T'Soni's death can be done on Thessia where shepard has to choose between saving T'Soni or getting the data and letting Kai Leng get away.
You still track Cerberus to Horizon and then to Chronos to remove them so you can concentrate on the reapers.
Hackett informs you that the VI from Thessia tells you the catalyst is the Citadel.

That basically derails the plot just so a character can die. 

Thessia is supposed to be a low point where the protagonist is beaten. Saving the data undermines that. Cerberus is no longer important after that. Cronos station becomes nothing but a pointless detour and a hamfisted attempt to close story threads. Nothing is lost by just saving Liara and going for the data later. It's largely dependant on how much someone likes Liara. It's a choice not added to give weight to a decision, but to kill a character off for the purpose of needless equality. 

For James, just have him die on Earth when you fight through the reaper forces to takedown the Hades cannon. He dies just as he is about to board the shuttle.

For the playthrough where you have robot,James and T'Soni only, you can haveT'Soni die on Thessia and James will live automatically or save T'Soni and James dies on Earth..

For both to be killed you need to have at least one other squadmate available whoever it might be.

That sort of undermining the whole premise then, isn't it? Not only does James die simply because he's a character and other characters die, but if he does, it's because Liara doesn't. Their characters are rendered meaningless, they die to fill a quota. That's more shallow than any reason for them not to die that currently exists. 

I don't mean anything personally by this, but why can't I shake the feeling that this whole argument is basically about you not liking Liara, and wanting an opportunity to remove her from the story? It's really got nothing to do with what her character death could bring to the series, it's a preconception that because most other characters can die as a result of the player's choices, and because you don't like her, you should be given the chance to kill her off, even if every other character is still alive. 

That's your prerogative, but it seems really quite petty. How about instead of arguing she should have been optionally killed off because of the players potential subjective dislike, her content made less intrusive to the experience, or at least her character story more useful to player, since she's the Shadow Broker and all.  

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 05 mars 2013 - 12:23 .

[Zazzerka]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Eight pages that I don't even have to read to know exactly how the conversation is going.

Seifer, I was really hoping you'd be happy with the Wrex content, and you'd be talking about that, but nope, you've got to rag on Liara again, as is tradition.

[justafan]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

justafan wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Why are you even trying to appeal to them?

He has a point, casual fans are still fans.  After all, there are those poor people who only started the series at ME3, unaware of the awesomeness that was ME2 characters.  Liara plays a big role, and is known by the majority of fans.  Since they want everyone to be interested in the DLC, it makes sense they would give well known characters the lines, while the fans get more in-jokes with the screnes (Fleet and Flotilla with Tali?  Dancing lessons with Garrus? Tattoos with Jack? Brilliant!)

Poor people? What? If people started the series with ME3, then that's on them. We have the Mass Effect Trilogy, so new people can catch up. I'm saying Bioware shouldn't be so worried about appealing to the casual fans as much as they should with their hardcore. It's been a year and most of the casuals have moved on by this point. 

"Poor" as in "unfortunate to have not experienced the awesomeness of ME1 & 2".  And there are some people who just bought ME3.  Now that is by no means the best place to start, but it is the reality for many fans.  And I think this whole DLC is about appealing to the diehard fans.  The trailer makes it out to be LI DLC with a story to justify it's creation.  However, they still have to market it to as many people as possible, and there are those who just don't have the time or desire to play ME1 and 2 but are still fans of 3 and the simple fact is they know Liara because she was featured prominently in 3.

[BSpud]

I heard there is going to be 142 Liaras in this DLC. Sorry, Seifer.

[Zakuspec089]

Stop Liara Hating.

[GoldFlsh]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'm not dismissing your worry, I was genuinely curious about what you saw so we can do better for future trailers. You'll have to wait and play it or wait for someone else to play it and see what they say about "X" characters involvement in the game.

The trailer is okay, but I'm disappointed Femshep got little to no screen time here. Last DLC and mission we have with Femshep and Jennifer Hale's voice gets no marketing time?Thanks a lot, Chris.

Have to agree here.My two cents added to this pot. 

[Weltea]

The trailer actually seems okay to me content wise.
And I'm really hoping Liara get's the least content in this DLC since she usually has so much. Maybe everyone else won't get pushed aside for her for once.

[Mr.House]

Weltea wrote...

The trailer actually seems okay to me content wise.
And I'm really hoping Liara get's the least content in this DLC since she usually has so much. Maybe everyone else won't get pushed aside for her for once.

Garrus was hardly pushed aside in ME3. Also Liara was pushed aside for all of ME2, you think that would be enough for people.

Modifié par Mr.House, 05 mars 2013 - 03:05 .

[KBomb]

ChrisDV wrote...




But more importantly: Yay Miri!

haha Funny stuff.

[chemiclord]

And yet more evidence that if the BSN can't find something to complain in an angered froth about, they will make something up to be insulted by.

[noobcannon]

Seifer006 wrote...

Disclaimer: this isn't a hate thread

I'm not really into the whole "Romance" Thing. That's great players get to rekindle the "fire"

but I'm more into SP story. Having my old comrades back: Wrex, Zaeed & Grunt (samara, thane, Miranda, Ash, Garrus,Jack) etc... in my squad.  To me, that's what was fun in ME1 & 2

I enjoyed having them. But this Trailer seemed to be heavily focus on Romances (especially liara)....just seems that way

Let's hope the Story and Squad content is good

dude liara and tali are the most popular romances and they were barely even in the trailer.

[MACharlie1]

Zakuspec089 wrote...

THE MORE LIARA THE BETTER. I dislike seeing hate and disrespectful threads to my favorite and beloved character.

Honestly how can you dislike like The Sexy Blue Lovable Lady? I was annoyed and many other when she and others characters weren't in Mass Effect 2. Also to teh haters you don;t have to talk to her you know.

It's also funny seeing people jealous of video games characters, characters they know nothing about. If you don;t like The Characters leave them be, don't hate on them. If you do hate on them there will be fans and people who will fight back, we all know haters hate on everything.

I hated Mirnada and few others in Mass Effect 2 now I don't, you shoudl stop hating on Liara. Everyone gets a fair piece and you know Mass Effect 2 were temporarry characters anyways not real crew members. I know many people started out on Mass Effect 2 which was pathetic.

Anyways The more LIARA the BETTER.

I'm just going to take this piece since the rest of your post is just a diatribe of hero worship of a Mary Sue.

The whole point of ME2 was that it was character driven storyline - you're right - they didn't start out as the crew. But the whole point of the loyalty missions and the recruiting was not to fight the Collectors - thats just our excuse for recruiting the them. It was a unification thing. THAT was the plot of ME2 which so many people don't realize. By the end, they're a team - wearing similar colors and unified rather then joined loosely for their own reasons. Remember that panning of the squad preparing after the Collector Base? Thats the crew. That's the crew of the Normandy that will now stand by his/her Shepard. 

[Aggie Punbot]

Chris Priestly wrote...


Ok. Fair points. Certainly in the past Liara has played a large role (LotS for example), but for that reason she is featured a little more prominantly in this trailer. She has been used as a face for the game and is easily recognized by casual ME fans as a character in the series. Not everyone would know who Traynor, Grunt or even Wrex woudl be, yes hardcore fans absolutely, but casual fans, less so.
*snip*
I'm not dismissing your worry, I was genuinely curious about what you saw so we can do better for future trailers.

If I may please take this opportunity to make a suggestion, Mr. Priestly? I would like to humbly suggest that for your next game you either make an NPC a plot-required element of the game that is unkillable, or give multiple squadmates/companions the plot armor so that another situation like we've got with Liara doesn't develop. I didn't actually have a problem with Liara until she started getting shoved down my throat at every opportunity. Her own DLC, her own comics (twice), her unkillable plot armor, her continual forced presence on missions . . . it got to be too much after a while. Perhaps your company could try spreading out the 'face of the franchise' a bit more.

That being said, she was clearly given preference over the other squadmates in this trailer but you at least added a lot of other previously-unseen-in-promo-material squadmates into it so that negates Liara's prominent appearance early on in the trailer (in my opinion).

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 05 mars 2013 - 03:59 .

[MACharlie1]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...


Ok. Fair points. Certainly in the past Liara has played a large role (LotS for example), but for that reason she is featured a little more prominantly in this trailer. She has been used as a face for the game and is easily recognized by casual ME fans as a character in the series. Not everyone would know who Traynor, Grunt or even Wrex woudl be, yes hardcore fans absolutely, but casual fans, less so.
*snip*
I'm not dismissing your worry, I was genuinely curious about what you saw so we can do better for future trailers.

If I may please take this opportunity to make a suggestion, Mr. Priestly? I would like to humbly suggest that for your next game you either make an NPC a plot-required element of the game that is unkillable, or give multiple squadmates/companions the plot armor so that another situation like we've got with Liara doesn't develop. I didn't actually have a problem with Liara until she started getting shoved down my throat at every opportunity. Her own DLC, her own comics (twice), her unkillable plot armor, her continual forced presence on missions . . . it got to be too much after a while. Perhaps your company could try spreading out the 'face of the franchise' a bit more.

That being said, she was clearly given preference over the other squadmates in this trailer but you at least added a lot of other previously-unseen-in-promo-material squadmates into it so that negates Liara's prominent appearance early on in the trailer (in my opinion).

I also suggest not writing a character so blatantly a Mary Sue? We've read the script notes for this game, Mr. Priestly. Very unimpressed with the handeling of this character....

[MegaSovereign]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

LOL

Some of you are absolutely pathetic. I expect nothing less.

[Han Shot First]

I hope Liara gets 3x as much dialogue as every other character in the DLC. The tears and nerd rage would be glorious!

[Col.Aurion]

Steelcan wrote...

MECavScout01 wrote...

Can I please kill the blueberry in this DLC?

. You and me both<_<

Agreed! Death to blue Xenos except mecha wielding weeaboo commies and psionic mouth less ones!.

[TK514]

The more Liara the better.