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[Charaxan]

She has a sword, but-hey, she just need a sniper rifle.

I don't know... This character is simply badly made. Not over/under powered, just badly made. She sould at least be better at melee than... I don't know... QFI ? But noooooo. Everybody knows that quarians have elite ninjas in their flotilla. That's concistent with the whole "I need a hermetic suit to protect me from pathogens" thing, of course.

[Original Twigman]

Killahead wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

One of the biggest issues with the shadow is she has a large learning curve. Most players will go with a standard SS, duration/bonus power build, but i think they are gimping her as she is much more effective going with Damage bonus.

Depends on what you want to do with your Shadow, I guess. I use her to kill phantoms/ hunters/ pyros/ captains/ marauders, allowing my teammates to focus on boss enemies. With the new power magnifier and a melee stunner equipped, all those units can be one shotted by SS without any equipment when taking bonus power. Paired with a low cooldown you can make sure your teammates never have to worry about phantoms.

On platinum damage is probably the way to go though.

ah, well before without the power magnifier, i don't think duration/bonus power SSers could take out a pyro in one hit.. maybe now they can.

I might switch to a talon on her just to try it out... but... probably not.. the wraith weight bug is too nice

[Khranitel]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

[Intomydimension]

They Nerf the Shadow Before?? because is Really weak instead i used it the last time in November, i used it yesterday and the only good for use it , is only for Medic .. i remember this kit really powerful but now is really weak ..

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

[himegoto]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Instead of nerfing the AIU, I suggest we buff the Shadow. A most underused and underpowered kit that has a similar play style.

- Increase base Health/Shields to 500/750 (same as Paladin).
It makes no sense fo the Shadow, a melee class, to have less Health/Shields than the Paladin (who has a Shield and Energy Drain) and the Demolisher (who can stun anything that shoots at any time with Arc Grenades).

- Extra bonus to Shield Regeneration in Fitness.
Same as Geth Fitness or better. The Shadow needs this because unlike the AIU or the Salarian, she has no way to recover Shields during Cloak apart from Shadow Strike (which is very slow and circumstantial), and then only if you sacrifice a big chunk of damage in Shadow Strike.

- Increase movement speed to the same level as an AIU with full speed boost from Repair Matrix, or above.
The Shadow has less Weapon Damage modifiers than the Drell or the AIU, and unlike them is a melee focused class. So instead of also being slower than either of them, the Shadow should have the fastest movement speed in the game.

- Give Shadow light and heavy melee Damage Resistance.
Especially now with the Batarian Gauntlet gear, and the Krolord. Shadow's melee is just too much risk for too little gain. Give it a 50% to 75% Damage Resistance and it will be more fair for the Shadow.

- Shadow Cloak Rank 6 give Multiplicative Melee Damage Bonus.
A completely logical choice after TGI, Huntress, and AIU's custom Cloaks. Shadow with Sniper Damage boost makes no sense, as she will never be as good a Sniper as the other Infiltrators.

- If possible, increase the animation speed of Shadow Strike and Electric Slash.
These powers are just too slow in their animation, especially Shadow Strike. Their speed need to be increased drastically (by like 100%) for them to be worth the trouble - otherwise it's better to just shoot.

She's power creeped and needs to be bought up back to speed.

And I find it rare I actually agree with everything you suggested.
It wouldn't make her OP but only making more sense on how a melee oriented inflitrator should be played.

[Khranitel]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

So it IS a bad trip. Okay.

[himegoto]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

Actually, bacon has a good build.
Only thing I'd change is rank 6 damage on SS and rank 6 armor on fitness and rank 5 headshots in passives.

[deafglasses]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

This build will get downed as soon as they came out of Shadow Strike.

[Dunvi]

deafglasses wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

This build will get downed as soon as they came out of Shadow Strike.

Not if you play intelligently? It's basically the build I have. In fact, I think I throw away all of the defensive evos for pure damage.

[Khranitel]

himegoto wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

Actually, bacon has a good build.
Only thing I'd change is rank 6 damage on SS and rank 6 armor on fitness and rank 5 headshots in passives.

This build can't OHK on Gold: Phantom, Dragoon, Pyro, maybe Possessed Collector Captain. It can't two-hit Brute and Scion.
So it's bad.

Modifié par Khranitel, 04 mars 2013 - 08:28 .

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

So it IS a bad trip. Okay.

Allow me to elaborate.

This CAN kill mooks on gold (like I said not sure about pyros/phantoms)

Tactical Cloak can use any weapon because if you cloak/use power cooldown is around 3 seconds (I'm surprised you don't know this because you have an Infiltrators United banner)

I skip martial artist because not necessary all movement speed FTW.

While you are waiting for bonus power sitting in cloak I could have shot a claymore twice and then cloak and SS in almost the same time.

[megawug]

After playing the EDI bot, I've changed my view on how to play the Shadow. I had hoped that the Shadow was a true melee class, but nope. I'm gonna switch her to a shotgun inf with SS as a way to simply close-in on the enemy and do some damage with her sword.

Modifié par megawug, 04 mars 2013 - 08:28 .

[Dunvi]

Khranitel wrote...

himegoto wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

Actually, bacon has a good build.
Only thing I'd change is rank 6 damage on SS and rank 6 armor on fitness and rank 5 headshots in passives.

This build can't OHK on Gold: Phantom, Dragoon, Pyro, maybe Possessed Collector Captain. It can't two-hit Brute and Scion.
So it's bad.

Works fine. SS > melee will kill all of the above non-OHKs.

[himegoto]

Skimmed thought the posts. It saddens me most 80% of the people here do not know what they are talking about. Yet continue to write silly comments.
Of course, the Pareto's principle

(I'm with you on this OP)

Modifié par himegoto, 04 mars 2013 - 08:30 .

[BjornDaDwarf]

mikejs11 wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

Claymore.

Also, I would imagine that most of the people that are asking for buffs are wanting to play with more of a SS oriented build and play style and not carrying a super-heavy shotgun around.

I run an SS build carrying a light shotgun, and have never experienced most of the complaints that others have about her.  

[Original Twigman]

Dunvi wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

himegoto wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

Actually, bacon has a good build.
Only thing I'd change is rank 6 damage on SS and rank 6 armor on fitness and rank 5 headshots in passives.

This build can't OHK on Gold: Phantom, Dragoon, Pyro, maybe Possessed Collector Captain. It can't two-hit Brute and Scion.
So it's bad.

Works fine. SS > melee will kill all of the above non-OHKs.

i'll be honest, the SS all things style is a bit overhyped and quite slow

[himegoto]

Khranitel wrote...

himegoto wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

Actually, bacon has a good build.
Only thing I'd change is rank 6 damage on SS and rank 6 armor on fitness and rank 5 headshots in passives.

This build can't OHK on Gold: Phantom, Dragoon, Pyro, maybe Possessed Collector Captain. It can't two-hit Brute and Scion.
So it's bad.

Perhaps you need to learn to play.
It's a 3 shot bomber build that cycles 2 claymore shots with cloak's bonus and a SS.
The 2 shots from the claymore far out-damages SS. Hence using the barrel mod instead of omni-blades on the claymore.

I use a variation of this build back when that DLC came out last year. With adrenaline mod. And it one hit kill everything you mentioned above in gold except scions.

Youre a noob.

[OblivionDawn]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

This. The people in this thread are killing me lol.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Dear Bioware,

She doesn't need a buff. She needs the bloody atlas/SS bug fixed.

Thank you.

[Dunvi]

Original Stikman wrote...

Dunvi wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

himegoto wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

Actually, bacon has a good build.
Only thing I'd change is rank 6 damage on SS and rank 6 armor on fitness and rank 5 headshots in passives.

This build can't OHK on Gold: Phantom, Dragoon, Pyro, maybe Possessed Collector Captain. It can't two-hit Brute and Scion.
So it's bad.

Works fine. SS > melee will kill all of the above non-OHKs.

i'll be honest, the SS all things style is a bit overhyped and quite slow

I agree. That's why I don't play her much at all. Claymoar when possible, SS for certain units and for getting around the battlefield, and you can chain a melee onto the end of an SS for basically all shadow-strikeable units. Brutes should not be SSed, you will get damage returned and cannot guarantee your final placement won't be under his claw when he falls, just claymoar him.

However, I do still take omniblade. I have a habit of just meleeing. Sometimes I swear it does more damage than an SS.

Modifié par Dunvi, 04 mars 2013 - 08:40 .

[Khranitel]

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Allow me to elaborate.

This CAN kill mooks on gold (like I said not sure about pyros/phantoms)

Tactical Cloak can use any weapon because if you cloak/use power cooldown is around 3 seconds (I'm surprised you don't know this because you have an Infiltrators United banner)

I skip martial artist because not necessary all movement speed FTW.

While you are waiting for bonus power sitting in cloak I could have shot a claymore twice and then cloak and SS in almost the same time.

1. It can't. List is above.
2. There are many situation when you're using your cloak for other purposes than shooting/use power. In that case you're basically naked for 6 seconds after cloak wears out, especially because you have short clock. I'm sure you know that your cooldown in that case is depending on how long you was in cloak.
3. Why you ever need bonus speed when you could zip through entire battlefield (and do it cloaked when you have Duration and Bonus power)? Especially at the price of loosing +50% additive bonus damage.
4. I'm sorry, what?! Bonus power purpose is to let your escape safely from your target's enraged friends, by foot or by another SS (not with 6 sec. cooldown, of course). Besides, if you do it right, you do not ever need to shoot your gun at all.

[DullahansXMark]

Wouldn't this just simply turn her into the AIU?

[Original Twigman]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Dear Bioware,

She doesn't need a buff. She needs the bloody atlas/SS bug fixed.

Thank you.

BAM! first that, then we'll go on to her abilities!!

[Dunvi]

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Allow me to elaborate.

This CAN kill mooks on gold (like I said not sure about pyros/phantoms)

Tactical Cloak can use any weapon because if you cloak/use power cooldown is around 3 seconds (I'm surprised you don't know this because you have an Infiltrators United banner)

I skip martial artist because not necessary all movement speed FTW.

While you are waiting for bonus power sitting in cloak I could have shot a claymore twice and then cloak and SS in almost the same time.

1. It can't. List is above.
2. There are many situation when you're using your cloak for other purposes than shooting/use power. In that case you're basically naked for 6 seconds after cloak wears out, especially because you have short clock. I'm sure you know that your cooldown in that case is depending on how long you was in cloak.
3. Why you ever need bonus speed when you could zip through entire battlefield (and do it cloaked when you have Duration and Bonus power)? Especially at the price of loosing +50% additive bonus damage.
4. I'm sorry, what?! Bonus power purpose is to let your escape safely from your target's enraged friends, by foot or by another SS (not with 6 sec. cooldown, of course). Besides, if you do it right, you do not ever need to shoot your gun at all.

I used to think not shooting my gun at all on certain classes was a good thing.

Then I L2P'ed.