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[iOnlySignIn]

Charaxan wrote...

You wanted a ninja and that's your problem. Always think DPS, not fun.

This is a game. It's about fun.

Which is why the Shadow needs to be buffed.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 04 mars 2013 - 09:20 .

[Original Twigman]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

hate to break it to you, but just these two points tells me that you aren't Shadow-ing as effectively as you could, especially the bolded.

Personally, i thinkt he claymore is a waste on her and take the wraith with the melee/heavey barrel mod, and think it works better.... but the duration/bonus power and "not shooting your gun" is a really slow and inefficient way of maneuvering through a match, despite it being able to OHK

speed is much better

I disagree.  With my build, I can kill a mook every 2.5 seconds or so, from a majority of positions on the map, even faster with a good cluster of enemies that I can chain a heavy melee into.  That's hardly inefficent.  A Wraith user will miss shots at range on big maps.  Will miss shots in general.  My SS will never miss.  

It is weaker against SOME bosses (not all) than a more weapons dependent build, but if I'm playing well, I can deplete the wave budget just as fast and only have to mess with a handful of bosses during the match.

we must duel

I would love to watch that.  I'm often fascinated by what BSN has to say about the Shadow, and I'd be especially curious to see how each of you play her.

we have our first spectator

[CarparkC]

She NEEDS better shields to be viable on Gold. I doubt faster SS or ES animation is possible and honestly, ES is fine, but better shields would at least give you chance to survive after a "successful" SS. Maybe then people will stop instakicking her on Gold.

I still find it hilarious how a "melee" Infiltrator has the worst light melee animation in the game...

[BjornDaDwarf]

Original Stikman wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

hate to break it to you, but just these two points tells me that you aren't Shadow-ing as effectively as you could, especially the bolded.

Personally, i thinkt he claymore is a waste on her and take the wraith with the melee/heavey barrel mod, and think it works better.... but the duration/bonus power and "not shooting your gun" is a really slow and inefficient way of maneuvering through a match, despite it being able to OHK

speed is much better

I disagree.  With my build, I can kill a mook every 2.5 seconds or so, from a majority of positions on the map, even faster with a good cluster of enemies that I can chain a heavy melee into.  That's hardly inefficent.  A Wraith user will miss shots at range on big maps.  Will miss shots in general.  My SS will never miss.  

It is weaker against SOME bosses (not all) than a more weapons dependent build, but if I'm playing well, I can deplete the wave budget just as fast and only have to mess with a handful of bosses during the match.

we must duel

Dueling shadows sounds highly entertaining!

[Khranitel]

Original Stikman wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

hate to break it to you, but just these two points tells me that you aren't Shadow-ing as effectively as you could, especially the bolded.

Personally, i thinkt he claymore is a waste on her and take the wraith with the melee/heavey barrel mod, and think it works better.... but the duration/bonus power and "not shooting your gun" is a really slow and inefficient way of maneuvering through a match, despite it being able to OHK

speed is much better

I disagree.  With my build, I can kill a mook every 2.5 seconds or so, from a majority of positions on the map, even faster with a good cluster of enemies that I can chain a heavy melee into.  That's hardly inefficent.  A Wraith user will miss shots at range on big maps.  Will miss shots in general.  My SS will never miss.  

It is weaker against SOME bosses (not all) than a more weapons dependent build, but if I'm playing well, I can deplete the wave budget just as fast and only have to mess with a handful of bosses during the match.

we must duel

I would love to watch that.  I'm often fascinated by what BSN has to say about the Shadow, and I'd be especially curious to see how each of you play her.

we have our first spectator

Count me in as a participant 

[chefcook90]

Killahead wrote...

Yeah. She's after all only almost godlike, not quite. Better bring her up to speed..

Of all the things I knew the AIU would bring out in BSN, this I didn't foresee.

No. But I'm not sure you're serious?

OP has obviously never tried the Electric Slash double-stealth-bomber build.

[Original Twigman]

Khranitel wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

hate to break it to you, but just these two points tells me that you aren't Shadow-ing as effectively as you could, especially the bolded.

Personally, i thinkt he claymore is a waste on her and take the wraith with the melee/heavey barrel mod, and think it works better.... but the duration/bonus power and "not shooting your gun" is a really slow and inefficient way of maneuvering through a match, despite it being able to OHK

speed is much better

I disagree.  With my build, I can kill a mook every 2.5 seconds or so, from a majority of positions on the map, even faster with a good cluster of enemies that I can chain a heavy melee into.  That's hardly inefficent.  A Wraith user will miss shots at range on big maps.  Will miss shots in general.  My SS will never miss.  

It is weaker against SOME bosses (not all) than a more weapons dependent build, but if I'm playing well, I can deplete the wave budget just as fast and only have to mess with a handful of bosses during the match.

we must duel

I would love to watch that.  I'm often fascinated by what BSN has to say about the Shadow, and I'd be especially curious to see how each of you play her.

we have our first spectator

Count me in as a participant 

3 competing shadows seems like too much, tbh

[iOnlySignIn]

chefcook90 wrote...

OP has obviously never tried the Electric Slash double-stealth-bomber build.

Show me.

[Khranitel]

On topic.
She needs only two things fixed:
1. Possibility to SS an Atlas (God damned fix it Bioware!).
2. Shorter SS animation and stagger immunity during it.
Thats it. No more, no less.

Modifié par Khranitel, 04 mars 2013 - 09:25 .

[Charaxan]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Charaxan wrote...

Always think DPS, not fun.

This is a game.

What I meant is : it is easy to say "play without ss and melee and all will be fine" but ss and melee are the particularity of this character. Without them, no need to play shadow. You may play any other infiltrator. Ignoring ss and melee is choosing DPS instead of fun, and can be made with any character.

[Original Twigman]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

hate to break it to you, but just these two points tells me that you aren't Shadow-ing as effectively as you could, especially the bolded.

Personally, i thinkt he claymore is a waste on her and take the wraith with the melee/heavey barrel mod, and think it works better.... but the duration/bonus power and "not shooting your gun" is a really slow and inefficient way of maneuvering through a match, despite it being able to OHK

speed is much better

I disagree.  With my build, I can kill a mook every 2.5 seconds or so, from a majority of positions on the map, even faster with a good cluster of enemies that I can chain a heavy melee into.  That's hardly inefficent.  A Wraith user will miss shots at range on big maps.  Will miss shots in general.  My SS will never miss.  

It is weaker against SOME bosses (not all) than a more weapons dependent build, but if I'm playing well, I can deplete the wave budget just as fast and only have to mess with a handful of bosses during the match.

we must duel

Dueling shadows sounds highly entertaining!

I'll be on tuesday, 8:30 or 9pm pacific time. does that work?

Can also show you how I use the batarian brawler after

haven't used him since the buff (which was needed)

[BjornDaDwarf]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

I wouldn't Shadow Strike a Banshee. You might get away with it, but the odds are poor enough that I don't feel it's worth it. You can SS a Brute, if you're careful.

I don't know if this works with a laggy host (I've always done it on host or with a good host), but you're totally fine SSing a Banshee and Brute as long as they are moving.  The speed of the animation plays out in your favor, as they are past sync-kill range by the time you actually make your strike, but the strike still hits them.  

Just play bullfighter with Brutes.  Shoot them, antognize them, as soon as their charge starts, cloak and strike.  

There was an early point in here about how her Rank 6 shouldn't be SRs.  While there could have been some interesting options for it, the fact is she's really the only Infil that can heavily capitalize on Bonus Power, thus making one of the least used evolutions in the game have value.  

[himegoto]

Khranitel wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

himegoto wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Khranitel wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/JDPPM/Claymore10AP5BH5////BerserkerPackage5/

As you can see, without using an omni-blade and skipping one of the melee passives this class can still take out any mook in one hit (not sure about pyros/phantoms because I rarely use her) You also have a claymore and damage cloak which will destroy bosses.

I fail to see how this class requires a buff.

I'm sorry, but... what did you smoked while making this build?
This build is capable of doing what you said on Bronze and barely on Silver.
Claymore on Shadow? No Omni-Blade? SIX seconds cooldown on Shadow Strike? No Bonus Power? Both defence evos on SS? No Martial Artist?
Whats that, a bad trip?

All I can do is laugh.

Actually, bacon has a good build.
Only thing I'd change is rank 6 damage on SS and rank 6 armor on fitness and rank 5 headshots in passives.

This build can't OHK on Gold: Phantom, Dragoon, Pyro, maybe Possessed Collector Captain. It can't two-hit Brute and Scion.
So it's bad.

Perhaps you need to learn to play.
It's a 3 shot bomber build that cycles 2 claymore shots with cloak's bonus and a SS.
The 2 shots from the claymore far out-damages SS. Hence using the barrel mod instead of omni-blades on the claymore.

I use a variation of this build back when that DLC came out last year. With adrenaline mod. And it one hit kill everything you mentioned above in gold except scions.

Youre a noob.

Yeah, thats synapsefire's build. I saw what it is capable of.
Basically, just pray that there was not more than 3 enemies in your vicinity. Else you're dead. Very effectively.
Oh, and better a noob, than a chicken-headed troll.

Youre a noob. Just stop embarrassing yourself trying to make discussion on topics you have no clue and experience on.

Props for your decency to search the forum for the 3 shot bomber build though. However it shouldn't have been too hard when I provided you with the keyword.

[Malanek]

Original Stikman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I think there should be 0.5 seconds invulnerability after a shadow strike. Killing a Ravager, Engineer, Abomination etc and then dying to the explosion is annoying. It drastically reduces the different types of enemies you can afford to strike.

hmm... no... you should be punished if you shadow strike the wrong enemy... i have done it many times and didn't feel it was "unfair"

There are far too many enemies you "can't" strike. It's not an extremely powerful power anyway.

[Arctican]

Malanek999 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I think there should be 0.5 seconds invulnerability after a shadow strike. Killing a Ravager, Engineer, Abomination etc and then dying to the explosion is annoying. It drastically reduces the different types of enemies you can afford to strike.

hmm... no... you should be punished if you shadow strike the wrong enemy... i have done it many times and didn't feel it was "unfair"

There are far too many enemies you "can't" strike. It's not an extremely powerful power anyway.

The only thing you can;t strike for certain are abominations, Atlases, and Ravagers to a degree. Everything else is fair game, even Praetorians.

[Malanek]

Arctican wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I think there should be 0.5 seconds invulnerability after a shadow strike. Killing a Ravager, Engineer, Abomination etc and then dying to the explosion is annoying. It drastically reduces the different types of enemies you can afford to strike.

hmm... no... you should be punished if you shadow strike the wrong enemy... i have done it many times and didn't feel it was "unfair"

There are far too many enemies you "can't" strike. It's not an extremely powerful power anyway.

The only thing you can;t strike for certain are abominations, Atlases, and Ravagers to a degree. Everything else is fair game, even Praetorians.

What about engineers with the turret still on the back? What about a Turret? What about a Geth Prime? What about a burning Pyro? It's a frustrating ability when you kill something and are immediately killed.

[whalewhisker]

I just want her melee/shadow strike to not take 5 seconds to execute.

[BjornDaDwarf]

Original Stikman wrote...

I'll be on tuesday, 8:30 or 9pm pacific time. does that work?

Can also show you how I use the batarian brawler after

haven't used him since the buff (which was needed)

That's about 10:30-11 my time, may or may not be on, depends on what the wife and I do tomorrow.  We might be going out to a professional organ recital (....don't judge, we both love organ music) and may go out for drinks after.  

[painforest]

I really dislike this kit. Any buffs would be appreciated.

[chefcook90]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

chefcook90 wrote...

OP has obviously never tried the Electric Slash double-stealth-bomber build.

Show me.

BEHOLD!
narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/NShadow/OKPDJ/ArcPistol10BP5BK5//PistolRailAmp3/PowerAmplifierModule4/OmniCapacitors5/

Deadly AND  durable.

Modifié par chefcook90, 04 mars 2013 - 09:42 .

[Arctican]

Original Stikman wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

hate to break it to you, but just these two points tells me that you aren't Shadow-ing as effectively as you could, especially the bolded.

Personally, i thinkt he claymore is a waste on her and take the wraith with the melee/heavey barrel mod, and think it works better.... but the duration/bonus power and "not shooting your gun" is a really slow and inefficient way of maneuvering through a match, despite it being able to OHK

speed is much better

I disagree.  With my build, I can kill a mook every 2.5 seconds or so, from a majority of positions on the map, even faster with a good cluster of enemies that I can chain a heavy melee into.  That's hardly inefficent.  A Wraith user will miss shots at range on big maps.  Will miss shots in general.  My SS will never miss.  

It is weaker against SOME bosses (not all) than a more weapons dependent build, but if I'm playing well, I can deplete the wave budget just as fast and only have to mess with a handful of bosses during the match.

we must duel

Dueling shadows sounds highly entertaining!

I'll be on tuesday, 8:30 or 9pm pacific time. does that work?

Can also show you how I use the batarian brawler after

haven't used him since the buff (which was needed)

Ooooo...can I dictate the setting of this match? How about Platinum Collectors on Glacier? Or Platinum Geth Condor?

[Original Twigman]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

I'll be on tuesday, 8:30 or 9pm pacific time. does that work?

Can also show you how I use the batarian brawler after

haven't used him since the buff (which was needed)

That's about 10:30-11 my time, may or may not be on, depends on what the wife and I do tomorrow.  We might be going out to a professional organ recital (....don't judge, we both love organ music) and may go out for drinks after.  

no judging. sounds like a lovely night out  

i would choose going out with my girl to something like that over battling with what could potentially be a grizzly overweight slob who has nothign better to do but hang out on BSN and call people noobs

[Original Twigman]

Arctican wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

hate to break it to you, but just these two points tells me that you aren't Shadow-ing as effectively as you could, especially the bolded.

Personally, i thinkt he claymore is a waste on her and take the wraith with the melee/heavey barrel mod, and think it works better.... but the duration/bonus power and "not shooting your gun" is a really slow and inefficient way of maneuvering through a match, despite it being able to OHK

speed is much better

I disagree.  With my build, I can kill a mook every 2.5 seconds or so, from a majority of positions on the map, even faster with a good cluster of enemies that I can chain a heavy melee into.  That's hardly inefficent.  A Wraith user will miss shots at range on big maps.  Will miss shots in general.  My SS will never miss.  

It is weaker against SOME bosses (not all) than a more weapons dependent build, but if I'm playing well, I can deplete the wave budget just as fast and only have to mess with a handful of bosses during the match.

we must duel

Dueling shadows sounds highly entertaining!

I'll be on tuesday, 8:30 or 9pm pacific time. does that work?

Can also show you how I use the batarian brawler after

haven't used him since the buff (which was needed)

Ooooo...can I dictate the setting of this match? How about Platinum Collectors on Glacier? Or Platinum Geth Condor?

lol... how bout we start on gold first...

[BjornDaDwarf]

Malanek999 wrote...

What about engineers with the turret still on the back? What about a Turret? What about a Geth Prime? What about a burning Pyro? It's a frustrating ability when you kill something and are immediately killed.

I don't have problems with Engis or Turrets.  Just take the shield recharge evo of SS and make sure they have shields when you strike them.  You can then absorb the explosion safely.

With Turrets, you HAVE to be aware of whether or not you are their target, and if they are about to start a shooting cycle.  Never strike them unless they are actively shooting someone else, or have just finished shooting at you.  Any other time, you will likely be DOA.  

You can heavy melee A-bombs and Possessed A-bombs to decapitate them.  SS is unneccessary to safely deal with them, and you're still using your sword.

[Arctican]

Malanek999 wrote...

Arctican wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I think there should be 0.5 seconds invulnerability after a shadow strike. Killing a Ravager, Engineer, Abomination etc and then dying to the explosion is annoying. It drastically reduces the different types of enemies you can afford to strike.

hmm... no... you should be punished if you shadow strike the wrong enemy... i have done it many times and didn't feel it was "unfair"

There are far too many enemies you "can't" strike. It's not an extremely powerful power anyway.

The only thing you can;t strike for certain are abominations, Atlases, and Ravagers to a degree. Everything else is fair game, even Praetorians.

What about engineers with the turret still on the back? What about a Turret? What about a Geth Prime? What about a burning Pyro? It's a frustrating ability when you kill something and are immediately killed.

Exploding turrets generally just knock me back, but they rarely kill me. A turret is usually OHK for me. Geth Primes are easy once the shields are gone. A Pyro is also a OHK for me. I'll grant you that it's not easy playing the Shadow without dying a lot at first, but once you get the hang of things and learn when to do what, it is so much fun dancing around the battlefield.