Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
Emotions evolved for very good reasons indeed, except that those reasons are not valid for synthetic life.Their analogues of social interactions ,reflexes,instincts and behavioral patterns appear differently - aka being created ahead. Of course it will evolve ,but do you seriously think that synthetic life will strive for networking protocols to follow something like Human interactions ,complex and impulsive , instead of simple flow of information according to pre-coded laws?Reorte wrote...
Emotions have evolved for very good reasons, without them are synthetics going to survive on their own (or even do anything at all)? Efficiency to do what? Without any emotional drive there's no reason to actually do anything.jstme wrote...
Human emotions are function of "hardware" and "software" and clearly they can be built into synthetic life forms. However the whole reason behind rise of synthetic life forms is higher possible effciency then biological ones, and since emotions hurt efficiency rather then improve it, it is safe to assume that synthetic life will not hold emotions in high regard for it to become a trend.
There might be synthetic hipsters minority,like EDI, trying to develop emotions for SWAG but nothing more.
Or maybe they're just all different versions of the same thing, like muscles or hydraulics. And whilst EDI may or may not have much in the way of emotion it's going far too far to say that it's impossible for AIs at all, since exactly the same processes we've got could be simulated in an AI if its designers chose to do so.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
Maybe what EDI experiences is true emotion. Maybe we just experience some chemical and hormonal analogue to true emotion.
One can't be more really can't be more or less objectively real than the other.
Necanor wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
This. Except that I actually believe they are inferior.
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Necanor wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
This. Except that I actually believe they are inferior.
And you call me a racist.
wolfhowwl wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Necanor wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
This. Except that I actually believe they are inferior.
And you call me a racist.
He's drunk on Tali sweat again.
Then I will just say that I consider the first one to arise the true form, the one that came later and is analogous, as the not true form.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
Maybe what EDI experiences is true emotion. Maybe we just experience some chemical and hormonal analogue to true emotion.
One can't be more really can't be more or less objectively real than the other.
They may very well end up with different emotional responses to different things than we do. But how will they deal with new situations, potential threats or friends and so on? Indeed, when it comes to threats the basic fight or flight mechanism is required for survival, and that's an emotional mechanism.jstme wrote...
Emotions evolved for very good reasons indeed, except that those reasons are not valid for synthetic life.Their analogues of social interactions ,reflexes,instincts and behavioral patterns appear differently - aka being created ahead. Of course it will evolve ,but do you seriously think that synthetic life will strive for networking protocols to follow something like Human interactions ,complex and impulsive , instead of simple flow of information according to pre-coded laws?
It only does it what you tell it to. It will not try to improve its existence, it won't try to stop you from turning it off. It has more in common with a waterwheel connected to some cogs than it does to a fully-functioning mind.Also, for the emotions being only reason to actually do anything - this is false. My PC does lots of stuff every msec, but it has 0 emotions.
You forget to add - Human. Yes, emotional individuals are more creative in lots of aspects then people who have less emotional-driven character. But this is only because both are Human and both operate in same way, more or less. It is like arguing that emotional horses run faster so cars should have in-built emotions. Animal emotions appeared due to conditions that will not exist for synthetic life.136th wrote...
jstme wrote...
Human emotions are function of "hardware" and "software" and clearly they can be built into synthetic life forms. However the whole reason behind rise of synthetic life forms is higher possible effciency then biological ones, and since emotions hurt efficiency rather then improve it, it is safe to assume that synthetic life will not hold emotions in high regard for it to become a trend.
There might be synthetic hipsters minority,like EDI, trying to develop emotions for SWAG but nothing more.
Euh No. The fake dichotomy of Logic vs emotion aside.
Emotion improve efficiency; not reduce it. The mind don't work that way.
Emotion allows a mind to handle more information, and allow for BETTER decision making when there are many unknown and little time. In real life, an emotional mind is superior because of its better decision making ability.
You select your partners based on their skin colour and origin, I dislike toasters. Who's the racist?MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
And you call me a racist.Necanor wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
This. Except that I actually believe they are inferior.
Reorte wrote...
Or maybe they're just all different versions of the same thing, like muscles or hydraulics. And whilst EDI may or may not have much in the way of emotion it's going far too far to say that it's impossible for AIs at all, since exactly the same processes we've got could be simulated in an AI if its designers chose to do so.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
Maybe what EDI experiences is true emotion. Maybe we just experience some chemical and hormonal analogue to true emotion.
One can't be more really can't be more or less objectively real than the other.
On what grounds?Necanor wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
This. Except that I actually believe they are inferior.
Necanor wrote...
You select your partners based on their skin colour and origin, I dislike toasters. Who's the racist?MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
And you call me a racist.Necanor wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
This. Except that I actually believe they are inferior.
Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 03 août 2013 - 11:40 .
That and Vodka.wolfhowwl wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
And you call me a racist.Necanor wrote...
This. Except that I actually believe they are inferior.Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
He's drunk on Tali sweat again.
That's a very limiting way of looking at things, and if applied to everything else gets you nowhere (I don't speak the first language, I don't drive the first vehicle, we're not the first life form so are we really life etc.)Steelcan wrote...
Then I will just say that I consider the first one to arise the true form, the one that came later and is analogous, as the not true form.
jstme wrote...
You forget to add - Human. Yes, emotional individuals are more creative in lots of aspects then people who have less emotional-driven character. But this is only because both are Human and both operate in same way, more or less. It is like arguing that emotional horses run faster so cars should have in-built emotions. Animal emotions appeared due to conditions that will not exist for synthetic life.136th wrote...
jstme wrote...
Human emotions are function of "hardware" and "software" and clearly they can be built into synthetic life forms. However the whole reason behind rise of synthetic life forms is higher possible effciency then biological ones, and since emotions hurt efficiency rather then improve it, it is safe to assume that synthetic life will not hold emotions in high regard for it to become a trend.
There might be synthetic hipsters minority,like EDI, trying to develop emotions for SWAG but nothing more.
Euh No. The fake dichotomy of Logic vs emotion aside.
Emotion improve efficiency; not reduce it. The mind don't work that way.
Emotion allows a mind to handle more information, and allow for BETTER decision making when there are many unknown and little time. In real life, an emotional mind is superior because of its better decision making ability.
Steelcan wrote...
Then I will just say that I consider the first one to arise the true form, the one that came later and is analogous, as the not true form.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.Reorte wrote...
The bolded part is irrelevent since it's not a question of good or bad. What you're saying is that there's only one way of having emotions that counts.
Maybe what EDI experiences is true emotion. Maybe we just experience some chemical and hormonal analogue to true emotion.
One can't be more really can't be more or less objectively real than the other.
I love Tali, but the Quarians would mean a lot to me even without her.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Seems like... I'm honestly wondering if he's such a Quarian lover if only for Tali.wolfhowwl wrote...
He's drunk on Tali sweat again.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
And you call me a racist.Necanor wrote...
This. Except that I actually believe they are inferior.Steelcan wrote...
No, what I am saying is that EDI experiences an anologue to emotion, not true emotion, I did not say that it was inferior.
Modifié par Necanor, 03 août 2013 - 11:42 .
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Necanor wrote...
You select your partners based on their skin colour and origin, I dislike toasters. Who's the racist?
Preference for women =/= racism. Calling a living being a toaster, based on non-organic nature, is.
Clearly, it's you.
Good thing I am not applying it to everything.Reorte wrote...
That's a very limiting way of looking at things, and if applied to everything else gets you nowhere (I don't speak the first language, I don't drive the first vehicle, we're not the first life form so are we really life etc.)Steelcan wrote...
Then I will just say that I consider the first one to arise the true form, the one that came later and is analogous, as the not true form.
Necanor wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Necanor wrote...
You select your partners based on their skin colour and origin, I dislike toasters. Who's the racist?
Preference for women =/= racism. Calling a living being a toaster, based on non-organic nature, is.
Clearly, it's you.
Yeah, AIs don't exist.
Steelcan wrote...
Good thing I am not applying it to everything.Reorte wrote...
That's a very limiting way of looking at things, and if applied to everything else gets you nowhere (I don't speak the first language, I don't drive the first vehicle, we're not the first life form so are we really life etc.)Steelcan wrote...
Then I will just say that I consider the first one to arise the true form, the one that came later and is analogous, as the not true form.
You are expanding my argument beyond its original scope.
Perchance. Impossible to say.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Necanor wrote...
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Preference for women =/= racism. Calling a living being a toaster, based on non-organic nature, is.Necanor wrote...
You select your partners based on their skin colour and origin, I dislike toasters. Who's the racist?
Clearly, it's you.
Yeah, AIs don't exist.
And if they did, would you feel the same?
Because I feel the first to arise is the default version or "true" version, but that DOES NOT make it better.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
That's fine.
Why do you feel that way?
Retour en haut
