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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Wulfram wrote...

He means this, I guess

OMG! Now you've done it. I was going to refer to Marmalade Theory again. Essence is the marmalade made of organics. I didn't know they had an actual energy drink made of organics. Now if they called it Organic Essence Nature's Energy, you really would have had something.

So the Reapers take this marmalade which is essentially a paste made of the dead organic species that they just ground up and infuse it with nanites which form a synthetic matrix around it. The last thoughts of the organics of course is fear and pain of being ground up -- you saw the colonist and/or Kelly being ground up, didn't you? Or were they simply dissolved? That looked like a very nice way to go. I love the way reaper apologists sweep that under the rug.

Then this matrix activates around it and voila! Now you have your reaper core, and all those organics that were ground up are supposed to be happy little reaperlings living in that matrix totally unaware of what the giant big bad reaper is doing outside, because they're now preserved. Or perhaps they were sent to "reaper school" and are now educated in reaper ways by Starbrat.

"Congratulations class of 2187. You were chosen because you were special. You could have been simply killed or turned into a husk. But you were made into my special blend #57 so that you may help restore order to the galaxy. You once represented chaos. Now you represent order. Chaos will not be tolerated. You will do as I say and only as I say. You have joined an elite order. We have no beginning. We have no end. We are legion. Puny organics cannot comprehend what we do because we are so powerful. We created the mass relays. We created the Citadel. We created these things so that organics would evolve and develop along technological paths we desire. They exist because we allow it. They will end because we demand it. All advanced organic species must be harvested at the end of each cycle. You are now part of us. Be proud. Be arrogant. Be evil. It is good. Now, Harbinger will teach you basic combat techniques."

[fizzypop]

Troxa wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Troxa wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 My answer to this in Sync-Compendium is E = mc^2.

Energy is mass * a catalyst for conversion (to energy).

Organic energy = Shepard's body into the current running through the Crucible.

LOL...
We are made from the same stuff a rock is made of stardust & dust, if we make that to energy again it would only become normal energy

there isn't any organic energy

You make NO point!

My point is that it's complete BS
everything we are made of & what we need comes from stars
energy=matter
matter=energy

Origin of life

www.hsc.on.ca/moffatt/bio3a/cellbio/biomol.htm

www.youtube.com/watch

I think you are arguing the wrong point. There is no organic energy you are correct, but it's merely another label. We label different types of energy because they don't work the same. I'm guessing starchild probably means chemical energy which is mostly what we use to function. We exert other types of energy, but we run primarily on chemical energy. I'm assuming this is true of all organic species in the mass effect universe.

Modifié par fizzypop, 04 avril 2013 - 06:32 .

[Iakus]

fizzypop wrote...


I think you are arguing the wrong point. There is no organic energy you are correct, but it's merely another label. We label different types of energy because they don't work the same. I'm guessing starchild probably means chemical energy which is mostly what we use to function. We exert other types of energy, but we run primarily on chemical energy. I'm assuming this is true of all organic species in the mass effect universe.

So Shepard didn't have to die stupidly if he only  had a potato battery to toss into the Crucible? 

[fizzypop]

Kel Riever wrote...

fizzypop wrote...

CaptainCommander wrote...

Javik says DNA is a biological marker and he can read memories and experience from it so I assume that they study Shepard's DNA and do whatever with it. Otherwise Shepard just (blanked) all over the Galaxy!

I hate when he says this because yes you can find out a lot about a person through their DNA like where they lived for example, but no your memories are stored within neurons in your brain not DNA.

Nonsense.  You have a soul.  Which is like a little ghost that lives inside you.  And it, like, rises up to the sky when you die.  Or evil creatures suck it out of your body.  Or it flies around in the wind, howling.  Or, in the case of Mass Effect 3, goes into a giant soul blender which blasts it out so every other soul gets a little fragment of your soul ghost stuck to it.  And becomes a part of it.  And that's why you have an electronic face when it is all done.  Because, souls are awesome like that.

LOL this would make an excellent theory on the ending because if there is a giant plothole you can just go "SOULS"! Though I much prefer "A wizard did it" makes it more mysterious.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

fizzypop wrote...


I think you are arguing the wrong point. There is no organic energy you are correct, but it's merely another label. We label different types of energy because they don't work the same. I'm guessing starchild probably means chemical energy which is mostly what we use to function. We exert other types of energy, but we run primarily on chemical energy. I'm assuming this is true of all organic species in the mass effect universe.

So Shepard didn't have to die stupidly if he only  had a potato battery to toss into the Crucible? 

Shep's eating the leftovers while waiting to be rescued in the rubble. It's a gasp of culinary delight.

[Clayless]

o Ventus wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Essence. Simple as that.

EDI even referred to it in ME2 when explaining the human Reaper

"Essence" isn't a thing.

Either is Eezo.

/thread.

[Tom Lehrer]

They want our precious bodily fluids!

[Iakus]

[quote]Robosexual wrote...

[quote]o Ventus wrote...

[quote]The Grey Nayr wrote...

Essence. Simple as that.

EDI even referred to it in ME2 when explaining the human Reaper[/quote]

"Essence" isn't a thing.

[/quote]

Either is Eezo.

/thread. [/quote]

Eezo is a defined thing in the Mass Effect universe.

"Essence" is not

[/quote]

Modifié par iakus, 04 avril 2013 - 06:46 .

[dreamgazer]

Robosexual wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

"Essence" isn't a thing.

Either is Eezo.

/thread.

I missed the part where "essence", and how it actually works, was detailed as thoroughly in the narrative as Eezo.

[fizzypop]

iakus wrote...

fizzypop wrote...


I think you are arguing the wrong point. There is no organic energy you are correct, but it's merely another label. We label different types of energy because they don't work the same. I'm guessing starchild probably means chemical energy which is mostly what we use to function. We exert other types of energy, but we run primarily on chemical energy. I'm assuming this is true of all organic species in the mass effect universe.

So Shepard didn't have to die stupidly if he only  had a potato battery to toss into the Crucible? 

well that would make an interesting reaper for sure! I'm guessing though that they are storing and processing the information found in shep's brain (control wouldn't make sense otherwise so it's a lot more complicated than starchild says for sure). That kind of makes sense if you understand that most of the processes in our brain are electrical and chemical signals. Now how they extracted that and intergrated it into the crucible I'll never know.

Modifié par fizzypop, 04 avril 2013 - 06:51 .

[Clayless]

dreamgazer wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

"Essence" isn't a thing.

Either is Eezo.

/thread.

I missed the part where "essence", and how it actually works, was detailed as thoroughly in the narrative as Eezo.

And I missed the part where it was explained how Geth programs can jump start an organic immune system. Some mumbo jumbo about something something? Yeah that makes sense Tali.

Point is you can't complain about everything in the universe just because you don't like it, whilst ignoring other equally absurd things.

Modifié par Robosexual, 04 avril 2013 - 06:56 .

[Eryri]

dreamgazer wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

"Essence" isn't a thing.

Either is Eezo.

/thread.

I missed the part where "essence", and how it actually works, was detailed as thoroughly in the narrative as Eezo.

Indeed. Eezo was introduced way back in ME1. The ME universe would be a very boring place without it. It's an allowable, and thoroughly well justified bit of "Space Magic", that allows us to to ponder "What if there was a weird physical substance that allowed interstellar travel and telekinetic superpowers?" It's necessary to build the world in which to tell a fun and engaging story.

"Essence," by contrast, comes across as a pseudo-scientific ass-pull, thrown in at the last minute. It has no attempt to justify it whatsoever. It seems to be there merely to provide a reason for Shepard to immolate himself in the synthesis beam. Why some think that is an enjoyable spectacle, or an appropriate fate for Shepard, is quite beyond me.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

fizzypop wrote...

iakus wrote...

fizzypop wrote...


I think you are arguing the wrong point. There is no organic energy you are correct, but it's merely another label. We label different types of energy because they don't work the same. I'm guessing starchild probably means chemical energy which is mostly what we use to function. We exert other types of energy, but we run primarily on chemical energy. I'm assuming this is true of all organic species in the mass effect universe.

So Shepard didn't have to die stupidly if he only  had a potato battery to toss into the Crucible? 

well that would make an interesting reaper for sure! I'm guessing though that they are storing and processing the information found in shep's brain (control wouldn't make sense otherwise so it's a lot more complicated than starchild says for sure). That kind of makes sense if you understand that most of the processes in our brain are electrical and chemical signals. Now how they extracted that and intergrated it into the crucible I'll never know.

You know, that would have been very interesting for control. Imagine if Shepard had placed a potato on the control rods. The potato's brain power, thought processes, morals, would have replaced those of the catalyst. Or simply put something like a boot up there instead of grabbing hold of them. Shepard could have also thrown a boot into the beam for synthesis. Was any of the boot made of leather? If so there was DNA. Plus there was some of Shepard's DNA in it. Why dive into it when you could just give it the boot?

OMG, this proves a theory that shall not be named.

[dreamgazer]

Robosexual wrote...

And I missed the part where it was explained how Geth programs can jump start an organic immune system. Some mumbo jumbo about something something? Yeah that makes sense Tali.

Do you consider these two things to be on the same in-universe plane of feasibility?

[Clayless]

dreamgazer wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

And I missed the part where it was explained how Geth programs can jump start an organic immune system. Some mumbo jumbo about something something? Yeah that makes sense Tali.

Do you consider these two things to be on the same in-universe plane of feasibility?

The essence and Eezo? Seeing as though one is used to create the main antagonists throughout the series, yes. One might be more explained than the other, but out-universe they're both equal in nonsense, and in-universe they're both equally plausible, if they weren't it wouldn't work.

[dreamgazer]

Robosexual wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

And I missed the part where it was explained how Geth programs can jump start an organic immune system. Some mumbo jumbo about something something? Yeah that makes sense Tali.

Do you consider these two things to be on the same in-universe plane of feasibility?

The essence and Eezo? Seeing as though one is used to create the main antagonists throughout the series, yes. One might be more explained than the other, but out-universe they're both equal in nonsense, and in-universe they're both equally plausible, if they weren't it wouldn't work.

Actually, I meant the suit upgrades and the synthesis beam/"organic energy", but I understand your point-of-view from that reply all the same.

[MegaSovereign]

Probably just technobabble BS.

I choose to believe that it's Shepard's DNA that is important. According to Javik, experience is a biological marker.

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

You know, that would have been very interesting for control. Imagine if Shepard had placed a potato on the control rods. The potato's brain power, thought processes, morals, would have replaced those of the catalyst. Or simply put something like a boot up there instead of grabbing hold of them. Shepard could have also thrown a boot into the beam for synthesis. Was any of the boot made of leather? If so there was DNA. Plus there was some of Shepard's DNA in it. Why dive into it when you could just give it the boot?

OMG, this proves a theory that shall not be named.

Plus there are two cooling corpses right below...

"Okay Illusive Man, you wanted to control the Reapers?  Wish granted!"

Plus Shepard is bleeding.  If a DNA sample is all that's needed...

These endings really weren't thought out very well at all.

[Auld Wulf]

I always took it to mean neural energy. Shrug.

[Reorte]

Robosexual wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

And I missed the part where it was explained how Geth programs can jump start an organic immune system. Some mumbo jumbo about something something? Yeah that makes sense Tali.

Do you consider these two things to be on the same in-universe plane of feasibility?

The essence and Eezo? Seeing as though one is used to create the main antagonists throughout the series, yes. One might be more explained than the other, but out-universe they're both equal in nonsense, and in-universe they're both equally plausible, if they weren't it wouldn't work.

Establishing additions to reality early on necessary for some things the story needs to function that don't work in reality is one thing.  Chucking random nonsense in at the end is quite something else. It's annoying when people don't spot the difference.

[dreamgazer]

Reorte wrote...

Establishing additions to reality early on necessary for some things the story needs to function that don't work in reality is one thing.  Chucking random nonsense in at the end is quite something else. It's annoying when people don't spot the difference.

Essentially, but I've discovered that convincing some people otherwise is an act of futility---especially when they start pointing at the "fiction" in science-fiction as a universal dismissal.

[Applepie_Svk]

o Ventus wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Essence. Simple as that.

EDI even referred to it in ME2 when explaining the human Reaper

"Essence" isn't a thing.

Brown ending FTW... it is kind of very special essence... I guess 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 04 avril 2013 - 08:59 .

[Eterna]

o Ventus wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Essence. Simple as that.

EDI even referred to it in ME2 when explaining the human Reaper

"Essence" isn't a thing.

Sure it is. It describes what something is. 

[Eterna]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I hate this term. It makes no sense. Ieldra has proposed that it probably refers to Shepard's mind. What else could be his "essence"? Still, it's utterly ridiculous. I'm somewhat insulted by the term.

And yet I still like the results of Synthesis. I just loathe the semi-mystical explanation of it. At least Control makes sense in a sci-fi way. That ending becomes more appealing every day.

It is what Shepard is, organic and synthetic parts. It has nothing to do with spirituality or magic. You just need to read the definition of essence, it doesn;t only mean "Soul" or "spirit"

es·sence  /ˈNounThe intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, esp. something abstract, that determines its character

A property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is.

Modifié par Eterna5, 04 avril 2013 - 09:14 .

[Subject M]

according to a... source, the "Organic energy" the catalyst refers to is the unique quantum signature of Shepard's mind, as well as the matter end energy that give rise to it.

Shepard's brain functions are that of an organic, but is also supposedly a special case because of how he was brought back to life. But how this energy combined with that of the crucible somehow creates what it does across the galaxy is probably a question that have no satisfying answers.