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[CosmicGnosis]

Eterna5 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I hate this term. It makes no sense. Ieldra has proposed that it probably refers to Shepard's mind. What else could be his "essence"? Still, it's utterly ridiculous. I'm somewhat insulted by the term.

And yet I still like the results of Synthesis. I just loathe the semi-mystical explanation of it. At least Control makes sense in a sci-fi way. That ending becomes more appealing every day.

It is what Shepard is, organic and synthetic parts. It has nothing to do with spirituality or magic. You just need to read the definition of essence, it doesn;t only mean "Soul" or "spirit"

es·sence  /ˈNounThe intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, esp. something abstract, that determines its character

A property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is.

But what is Shepard? It seems that his mind is the only thing that makes him unique. And if that is the case, why not just say that? Why use a pseudoscientific term like "organic energy"? What does that even mean? Does EDI have "synthetic energy'? And why does Synthesis require Shepard's "essense"? Would Anderson's essence have worked? What about the Illusive Man's essence? Would Synthesis still work if Diana Allers jumped into the beam?

[Han Shot First]

Schmegma.

[ruggly]

Eterna5 wrote...
It is what Shepard is, organic and synthetic parts. It has nothing to do with spirituality or magic. You just need to read the definition of essence, it doesn;t only mean "Soul" or "spirit"

es·sence  /ˈNounThe intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, esp. something abstract, that determines its character

A property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is.

By that logic, you should be able to toss Garrus in there due to the cybernetics in his face.  Or anyone with cybernetics/synthetic parts, no way Shepard is the only one like that.

But really, there's the "chosen one" thing going on with Shepard that I'm not particularly a fan of.

[Subject M]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I hate this term. It makes no sense. Ieldra has proposed that it probably refers to Shepard's mind. What else could be his "essence"? Still, it's utterly ridiculous. I'm somewhat insulted by the term.

And yet I still like the results of Synthesis. I just loathe the semi-mystical explanation of it. At least Control makes sense in a sci-fi way. That ending becomes more appealing every day.

It is what Shepard is, organic and synthetic parts. It has nothing to do with spirituality or magic. You just need to read the definition of essence, it doesn;t only mean "Soul" or "spirit"

es·sence  /ˈNounThe intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, esp. something abstract, that determines its character

A property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is.

But what is Shepard? It seems that his mind is the only thing that makes him unique. And if that is the case, why not just say that? Why use a pseudoscientific term like "organic energy"? What does that even mean? Does EDI have "synthetic energy'? And why does Synthesis require Shepard's "essense"? Would Anderson's essence have worked? What about the Illusive Man's essence? Would Synthesis still work if Diana Allers jumped into the beam?

Yes, EDI supposedly has a "synthetic energy" that give rise to her mind. According to that logic, the fact that organic and synthetic lifeforms operate on different hardware means that they produce different "energy patterns" that in turn gives rise to different types of quantum-states. While it is supposedly possible to produce or maintain an organic quantum-energy-matrix by artificial means, it is much more energy inefficient (as the different types of hardware are much more efficient in generating such fields within different spectra/frequencies). 

How Synthesis really works and if Diana Allers in theory could have done it as well as Shepard is unclear, but supposedly Shepard might be an ideal candidate because of how he was brought back from the dead (they fixed him with stuff based on Reaper tech, although Miranda did not know it). 

This is all from a supposed "inside source". I would take it with a grain of salt, but it actually makes sense.

Modifié par Subject M, 04 avril 2013 - 09:58 .

[dreamgazer]

Subject M wrote...

How Synthesis really works and if Diana Allers in theory could have done it as well as Shepard is unclear, but supposedly Shepard might be an ideal candidate because of how he was brought back from the dead (they fixed him with stuff based on Reaper tech, although Miranda did not know it). 

That's how I took it, for the most part.  Shepard's resurrection and the line blurred between organic and synthetic life are what make him/her "special", something that's reinforced by the security footage---and Shep's reaction to it---on Cronos just before the end. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Face the facts. Synthesis is a bloody ass pull. No wait it's worse than that. It's stupid. It makes no damned sense at all. Trying to make any sense out of it will drive you bat @#$@ crazy. It's like a bad drug trip.

[Eryri]

Subject M wrote...

Yes, EDI supposedly has a "synthetic energy" that give rise to her mind. According to that logic, the fact that organic and synthetic lifeforms operate on different hardware means that they produce different "energy patterns" that in turn gives rise to different types of quantum-states. While it is supposedly possible to produce or maintain an organic quantum-energy-matrix by artificial means, it is much more energy inefficient (as the different types of hardware are much more efficient in generating such fields within different spectra/frequencies).  

How Synthesis really works and if Diana Allers in theory could have done it as well as Shepard is unclear, but supposedly Shepard might be an ideal candidate because of how he was brought back from the dead (they fixed him with stuff based on Reaper tech, although Miranda did not know it). 

This is all from a supposed "inside source". I would take it with a grain of salt, but it actually makes sense.

I'm afraid that I couldn't read that explanation without thinking of this - http://rationalwiki....iki/Quantum_woo. 

No offence, but I sincerely hope that this "inside source" is not connected to Bioware. He or she appears to be appropriating words and phrases like "quantum", "energy" and "spectra", and using them as an obscurantist substitute for "a wizard did it!"

[Eterna]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I hate this term. It makes no sense. Ieldra has proposed that it probably refers to Shepard's mind. What else could be his "essence"? Still, it's utterly ridiculous. I'm somewhat insulted by the term.

And yet I still like the results of Synthesis. I just loathe the semi-mystical explanation of it. At least Control makes sense in a sci-fi way. That ending becomes more appealing every day.

It is what Shepard is, organic and synthetic parts. It has nothing to do with spirituality or magic. You just need to read the definition of essence, it doesn;t only mean "Soul" or "spirit"

es·sence  /ˈNounThe intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, esp. something abstract, that determines its character

A property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is.

But what is Shepard? It seems that his mind is the only thing that makes him unique. And if that is the case, why not just say that? Why use a pseudoscientific term like "organic energy"? What does that even mean? Does EDI have "synthetic energy'? And why does Synthesis require Shepard's "essense"? Would Anderson's essence have worked? What about the Illusive Man's essence? Would Synthesis still work if Diana Allers jumped into the beam?

Nothing makes Shepard truly unique. He/she is just a mix of organic and synthetic parts. You could throw any human and geth into the Synthesis beam and get the same result. 

[Eterna]

ruggly wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
It is what Shepard is, organic and synthetic parts. It has nothing to do with spirituality or magic. You just need to read the definition of essence, it doesn;t only mean "Soul" or "spirit"

es·sence  /ˈNounThe intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, esp. something abstract, that determines its character

A property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is.

By that logic, you should be able to toss Garrus in there due to the cybernetics in his face.  Or anyone with cybernetics/synthetic parts, no way Shepard is the only one like that.

But really, there's the "chosen one" thing going on with Shepard that I'm not particularly a fan of.

Shepard is not the chosen one. You're right in saying that anyone could be thrown in as long as they are a mix. Shepard was just the only one in the room. 

[MegaSovereign]

Subject M wrote...

according to a... source, the "Organic energy" the catalyst refers to is the unique quantum signature of Shepard's mind, as well as the matter end energy that give rise to it.

Shepard's brain functions are that of an organic, but is also supposedly a special case because of how he was brought back to life. But how this energy combined with that of the crucible somehow creates what it does across the galaxy is probably a question that have no satisfying answers.

It still doesn't make sense how this is relevant to Synthesis. Synthesis doesn't turn everyone into Shepard. It integrates organics with synthetics and vice versa.

Even Fry's uniqueness in Futurama makes more sense than Shepard's relationship to Synthesis.

[Bill Casey]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Except, you know, that is still forcing Shepard's mind onto everything.

MegaSovereign wrote...

Even Fry's uniqueness in Futurama makes more sense than Shepard's relationship to Synthesis.

He did do the nasty in the pasty...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 04 avril 2013 - 10:52 .

[MegaSovereign]

When Futurama starts to make more sense, you know something's up.

[spirosz]

I don't believe it's supposed to be taken in a literal sense, more so - Shepard represents the best of what organics can achieve or some philosophical bull****.

You can argue that Shepard can make some pretty dumb decisions and that's fine, but I personally believe that's the way Bioware wanted to express "essence".

Do I agree with it?  No.  

Modifié par spirosz, 04 avril 2013 - 11:22 .

[ruggly]

MegaSovereign wrote...

When Futurama starts to make more sense, you know something's up.

When I find the episode "Jurrasic Bark" to be more beautiful than Mass Effect..

[Jadebaby]

Arcian wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

a Casey and Super MAC did it.

Fixed.

oh no,  Arcian got banned...

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Face the facts. Synthesis is a bloody ass pull. No wait it's worse than that. It's stupid. It makes no damned sense at all. Trying to make any sense out of it will drive you bat @#$@ crazy. It's like a bad drug trip.

Sounds like you need to stop thinking about it lol I gave up on ME altogether until mehem is ready to go, speaking of which, how's the music coming along?

[Eterna]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Subject M wrote...

according to a... source, the "Organic energy" the catalyst refers to is the unique quantum signature of Shepard's mind, as well as the matter end energy that give rise to it.

Shepard's brain functions are that of an organic, but is also supposedly a special case because of how he was brought back to life. But how this energy combined with that of the crucible somehow creates what it does across the galaxy is probably a question that have no satisfying answers.

It still doesn't make sense how this is relevant to Synthesis. Synthesis doesn't turn everyone into Shepard. It integrates organics with synthetics and vice versa.

Even Fry's uniqueness in Futurama makes more sense than Shepard's relationship to Synthesis.

Shepard doesn;t have a unique relationship with Synthesis. 

[spirosz]

Eterna5 wrote...
Shepard doesn;t have a unique relationship with Synthesis. 

Then he didn't need to jump.  

[Applepie_Svk]

spirosz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Shepard doesn;t have a unique relationship with Synthesis. 

Then he didn't need to jump.  

By Catalyst´s words is synthesis now inevitable which makes in some way each of choice pointless... and it makes whole premise "without us you are doomed" in destroy ending kind of stupid.

[Subject M]

Eryri wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Yes, EDI supposedly has a "synthetic energy" that give rise to her mind. According to that logic, the fact that organic and synthetic lifeforms operate on different hardware means that they produce different "energy patterns" that in turn gives rise to different types of quantum-states. While it is supposedly possible to produce or maintain an organic quantum-energy-matrix by artificial means, it is much more energy inefficient (as the different types of hardware are much more efficient in generating such fields within different spectra/frequencies).  

How Synthesis really works and if Diana Allers in theory could have done it as well as Shepard is unclear, but supposedly Shepard might be an ideal candidate because of how he was brought back from the dead (they fixed him with stuff based on Reaper tech, although Miranda did not know it). 

This is all from a supposed "inside source". I would take it with a grain of salt, but it actually makes sense.

I'm afraid that I couldn't read that explanation without thinking of this - http://rationalwiki....iki/Quantum_woo. 

No offence, but I sincerely hope that this "inside source" is not connected to Bioware. He or she appears to be appropriating words and phrases like "quantum", "energy" and "spectra", and using them as an obscurantist substitute for "a wizard did it!"

None taken.

Well, I believe it is inspired by this:
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Quantum_mind
http://en.wikipedia....Quantum_biology

And Sci-fis such as 2001/2010, Watchmen etc..

And we already have stuff like blue boxes and such as a part of Lore.

And it is important to understand that fictional works like that of mass effect does not require high scientific stringency. Mostly it must work as a story with its own internal consistency.

[Auintus]

Physical and psychological structure both have a physical form, neuron pathways and whatnot. Since Shepard disintegrates slowly, if find it reasonable to assume that the Crucible is scanning as it goes, then uses Shepard's form as a base template for the Synthesis change. Turians would remain turians and so on, but Shepard's synthetic implants would be made a part of the average physical structure, modified for each species. His neural pathways, which record the "why" behind his motivations and drives, could be scanned at the same time, with that information conferred to synthetics, giving them a true taste of what it means to be organic, if only as a pseudo-memory.
That's what I think anyway. Take it as it is.

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

Shepard is not the chosen one. You're right in saying that anyone could be thrown in as long as they are a mix. Shepard was just the only one in the room. 

THe Illusive Man's body was cooling just one floor below...

[Jadebaby]

@OP, well technically organic energy could be seamen since it is the seed of life.

So when people say that Shepard screwed the galaxy with Synthesis, they meant it in more ways than one.

Modifié par Jadebaby, 04 avril 2013 - 11:46 .

[Subject M]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Subject M wrote...

according to a... source, the "Organic energy" the catalyst refers to is the unique quantum signature of Shepard's mind, as well as the matter end energy that give rise to it.

Shepard's brain functions are that of an organic, but is also supposedly a special case because of how he was brought back to life. But how this energy combined with that of the crucible somehow creates what it does across the galaxy is probably a question that have no satisfying answers.

It still doesn't make sense how this is relevant to Synthesis. Synthesis doesn't turn everyone into Shepard. It integrates organics with synthetics and vice versa.

Even Fry's uniqueness in Futurama makes more sense than Shepard's relationship to Synthesis.

Its true, Synthesis is a mystery. Supposedly it had something to do with Shepard being constituted by both organic and synthetic attributes that allowed the pulse to change the galaxy on both sides (like some kind of key to change), but it was (again) supposedly an ending that made it into the final cut because someone at the top thought it was very poetic, moving and beautiful.

Yes, yes, sometimes art and poetry is not supposed to be analysed or given reason, but in this case.. the ending of this trilogy was not the best time or place for such ambitions.

[Auintus]

iakus wrote...

THe Illusive Man's body was cooling just one floor below...

Shepard's implants were symbiotic, designed to restore and improve standard functionality. The Illusive Man's were Reaper-based and designed to allow Reaper influence. I think we'd want Shepard's over the Illusive Man's.