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[Megaton_Hope]

o Ventus wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone

Basically hippie magic, then.

Hey, there weren't any hippies in the 1930s. These were Freudians.

It is, however, a vitalist pseudoscience, comparable to Mesmerism/Animal Magnetism.

[fizzypop]

o Ventus wrote...

fizzypop wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Face the facts. Synthesis is a bloody ass pull. No wait it's worse than that. It's stupid. It makes no damned sense at all. Trying to make any sense out of it will drive you bat @#$@ crazy. It's like a bad drug trip.

true, but sometimes it's fun to try and speculate. Afterall, star trek spurred nerd sciencists to try xand explain the tech that they had and how it would work.

At least Star Trek has technobabble. Synthesis has... Essence.

Plausible?

Oh definitely not. Story answer is starchild is being an **** to shep by talking down to her (that she wouldn't understand the actual process), lying to her, or trying to equate it to some form of religion to get her to do it. At least in my opinion. The actual answer is bioware got sloppy for whatever reason. It's a shame really because I think they did a pretty okay job in trying to keep the mass effect universe feeling real (ignoring that shep is literally a superhero) only to mess it up at the very end.

Modifié par fizzypop, 05 avril 2013 - 02:15 .

[dreamgazer]

It wouldn't change my personal/ethical/philosophical viewpoint, in the slightest, but I'd love to hear BioWare's technobabble explanation of how synthesis works.

[o Ventus]

Getorex wrote...

That's only HALF the necessary information.  You would also need an egg to get the full monty.  So skip that and take a cheek swab. Get the full complement of DNA.

But that would be kind of a letdown.  "Shepard.  We need your essence to do some sweet space magic.  Kindly take this Q-tip and wipe it around in your mouth and deposit it into this ziplock bag.  Drop the bag down the slot in front of you."

Well, organic "energy" is energy. That, plus cybernetics (which Shepard has in spades) are what apparently make Shepard special.

Because I guess nobody else has cybernetics in the MEU. Nobody. Nada. 

I kind of like my other idea better.

Modifié par o Ventus, 05 avril 2013 - 02:15 .

[o Ventus]

dreamgazer wrote...

I sense a spunky new theory on the horizon.

spunky new theory

spunky

I see what you did there.

Modifié par o Ventus, 05 avril 2013 - 02:18 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Getorex wrote...
I purposefully refuse to let them take me there.  I hear (or read) "vital essence" or "life energy" and, as a biologist, I automatically think: ATP.  I will not let anyone drag me into magic essence crap.

I don't blame you man. 

But that's what BW was going for.

It's absolute crap, I know.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 05 avril 2013 - 02:21 .

[ruggly]

o Ventus wrote...


Because I guess nobody else has cybernetics in the MEU. Nobody. Nada. 

Nope.

[Megaton_Hope]

dreamgazer wrote...

It wouldn't change my personal/ethical/philosophical viewpoint, in the slightest, but I'd love to hear BioWare's technobabble explanation of how synthesis works.

I'd like to know why Shepard agrees to incinerate himself in a beam of light, when the Geth achieved a man/machine interface using a booth he stepped into and back out of again.

[Applepie_Svk]

o Ventus wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone

Basically hippie magic, then.

weeds bro...  

[Bill Casey]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

By Catalyst´s words is synthesis now inevitable which makes in some way each of choice pointless... and it makes whole premise "without us you are doomed" in destroy ending kind of stupid.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

[Ieldra]

Megaton_Hope wrote...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone

:lol:
I see I'm not the only one reminded of Wilhelm Reich when considering "organic energy". I wonder what went through the writers' heads when they coined the phrase.

Edit:
The only way "something of Shepard" can serve as a template for Synthesis is if it's Shepard's thoughts. Shepard's physical nature is non-Synthesized and I refuse to take the mysticism literally, so as I see it, what Shepard imagines the Synthesis will do, that will happen, within the constraints set by the Catalyst's exposition. Not that this excuses the nonsensical phrase. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 avril 2013 - 09:05 .

[ruggly]

Still not much better, why not just put on a thinking cap that maps out his imagination. If the Geth can do it, why not this billion year old thing.

[Getorex]

ruggly wrote...

Still not much better, why not just put on a thinking cap that maps out his imagination. If the Geth can do it, why not this billion year old thing.

True.  "Shepard, to accomplish this we just need you to lay down in the functional MRI and watch a vid while we map your marbles.  Comfy?  Want a blanket?  Fine. OK, now try not to move your head, this will take about 10 minutes."

[Enhanced]

"....the essence of who and what you are, will be broken down and dispersed"

Is it really that hard to understand?  When Shepard asks for details, the Catalyst explains Synthesis fairly well.

Modifié par Enhanced, 05 avril 2013 - 01:15 .

[ruggly]

So how do you get the essence of who you are.

This just feels more like ermahgerd serlf sercrefice is berterfurl.

Modifié par ruggly, 05 avril 2013 - 01:28 .

[Auintus]

ruggly wrote...

If it's only scanning, then why does Shepard need to disintegrate?  If synthesis had a low EMS option, then I could understand, but you would think with high enough EMS, Shepard could have a chance to live.  Or would that ruin the whole Space Jesus dies for you and would no longer be beautiful.

My thoughts? The Crucible sucks. Think about it: It can't just flash-copy Shepard's mind to make the VI, he has to die. It can't just destroy the Reapers, it has to destroy all synthetics. So, yeah, it kinda sucks all around.
Or it could be that the neuron pathways are too intricate to be scanned externally and nobody has the time to be delicate about it. I dunno.

Modifié par Auintus, 05 avril 2013 - 01:43 .

[Enhanced]

ruggly wrote...

So how do you get the essence of who you are.

This just feels more like ermahgerd serlf sercrefice is berterfurl.

Just like it's shown. It's not new. In ME2, it's confirmed that Reapers are of made of the essences of people:

Modifié par Enhanced, 05 avril 2013 - 02:07 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Enhanced wrote...

"....the essence of who and what you are, will be broken down and dispersed"

Is it really that hard to understand?  When Shepard asks for details, the Catalyst explains Synthesis fairly well.

The essence of who and what Shepard is would be about three pounds of meat, some assorted neurotransmitters, and 25 Watts of electricity. Which of those things is being broken down and dispersed?

[ruggly]

But what is essence? Memories? Body parts? The food I just digested? Just saying that this here melting person is essence is really not helpful.

[ruggly]

Auintus wrote...

ruggly wrote...

If it's only scanning, then why does Shepard need to disintegrate?  If synthesis had a low EMS option, then I could understand, but you would think with high enough EMS, Shepard could have a chance to live.  Or would that ruin the whole Space Jesus dies for you and would no longer be beautiful.

My thoughts? The Crucible sucks. Think about it: It can't just flash-copy Shepard's mind to make the VI, he has to die. It can't just destroy the Reapers, it has to destroy all synthetics. So, yeah, it kinda sucks all around.
Or it could be that the neuron pathways are too intricate to be scanned externally and nobody has the time to be delicate about it. I dunno.

It really does. But still, the Geth were able to upload Shepard's conciousness into their concensus, and at most Shepard probably came back with a slight headache.  I guess it's a little harder to compare those two things, but it just seems that now we have the ability (or close to it) to map the human genome*, but this advanced piece of technology is still too simple to do a brain scan.  I guess my science knowledge is still too simple as well.  Or they just really, really wanted that sacrifice.

*Edit: did my research, the Genome Project was declared complete in 2003.
Edit numero dos: If essence is comprable to DNA, and we managed to map it that long ago, I feel like this thing should just be able to scan it..

Modifié par ruggly, 05 avril 2013 - 02:25 .

[dreamgazer]

Enhanced wrote...

Just like it's shown. It's not new. In ME2, it's confirmed that Reapers are of made of the essences of people:

Hah! Are you sure you want to equate those two things?

[Enhanced]

dreamgazer wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Just like it's shown. It's not new. In ME2, it's confirmed that Reapers are of made of the essences of people:

Hah! Are you sure you want to equate those two things?

Sure. The Crucible was designed based on Reaper tech.

[Kel Riever]

The above shot clearly shows that Synthesis is the best option available

That writing, sure to make you spekulate!

[Reorte]

ruggly wrote...

It really does. But still, the Geth were able to upload Shepard's conciousness into their concensus, and at most Shepard probably came back with a slight headache.

I figured that that was still Shepard's normal brain doing the thinking there but the pod had some means of getting the information directly to and from it (like some sort of ultra-advanced virtual reality thingy).

[o Ventus]

Enhanced wrote...

Sure. The Crucible was designed based on Reaper tech.

How do you know?