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[cindercatz]

Good point. lol I would think earth magic should be used to heal Shale.

[Rawgrim]

One would think so. I guess, when Shale gets injured, rocks gets chipped away from her body? So the healing spell would then grow rock back onto her body. Meaning, in theory, a mage could grow a mountain if he or she wished.

[ImperatorMortis]

sunnydxmen wrote...

 In final fantasy games healing undead enemies harms them ,skyrim dawnguard dlcdlc adds spells to healing where you can harm the undead with them ,i think spirit healer needs to be like that they should be also to damage demons who are spirits.

I always loved this mechanic in Final Fantasy. There's something satisfying about figuring out that you can just destroy a undead boss by throwing a phoenix down on them. 

bobobo878 wrote...

Healing shouldn't do anything to undead. Healing is essentially cellular growth, and dead cells cannot grow or divide.

Trying to apply real world science to magic like it's supposed to mean something. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 10 mars 2013 - 07:13 .

[sunnydxmen]

Healing magic is always good even in dragon age, name itself implies they can affect spirits cleanse your body of evil spirits and heal your spirits.

[InHumanTurtle]

In the Dragon Age universe, I would assume that Healing would make undead more dangerous, as you will be restoring functionality of the body, and therefore the spirit possessing it has more power at its disposal.

[Rawgrim]

sunnydxmen wrote...

Healing magic is always good even in dragon age, name itself implies they can affect spirits cleanse your body of evil spirits and heal your spirits.

No it doesn`t. It heals physical injuries.

[sunnydxmen]

Rawgrim wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

Healing magic is always good even in dragon age, name itself implies they can affect spirits cleanse your body of evil spirits and heal your spirits.

No it doesn`t. It heals physical injuries.

how about when anders broke his friend free of being tranquil sure it was temporary ,but it showed that they heal way more then just wounds  they could heal someone spirit reconnect someone to the fade, this also shows they can affect the soul.

[Rawgrim]

sunnydxmen wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

Healing magic is always good even in dragon age, name itself implies they can affect spirits cleanse your body of evil spirits and heal your spirits.

No it doesn`t. It heals physical injuries.

how about when anders broke his friend free of being tranquil sure it was temporary ,but it showed that they heal way more then just wounds  they could heal someone spirit reconnect someone to the fade, this also shows they can affect the soul.

He didn`t use the healing spell to do it. Most likely he used a spell just created there and there for plot reasons.i suspect it was tied to Justice.

[ScarMK]

sunnydxmen wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

Healing magic is always good even in dragon age, name itself implies they can affect spirits cleanse your body of evil spirits and heal your spirits.

No it doesn`t. It heals physical injuries.

how about when anders broke his friend free of being tranquil sure it was temporary ,but it showed that they heal way more then just wounds  they could heal someone spirit reconnect someone to the fade, this also shows they can affect the soul.

Justice was the whole reason for that little fiasco.  It had nothing to do with Ander's being a spirit healer.

[Heimdall]

Rawgrim wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

Healing magic is always good even in dragon age, name itself implies they can affect spirits cleanse your body of evil spirits and heal your spirits.

No it doesn`t. It heals physical injuries.

Tell that to Justice

[StarcloudSWG]

When Justice manifested, the area around Justice became more connected to the Fade, which reconnected the Tranquil to the Fade. When Justice subsided, no more connection, and back to being Tranquil.

The reason healing magic does damage to undead in other games is because they're all derived from Dungeons and Dragons, where healing magic came from priests drawing on the energy of the 'positive material' plane, or plane of Life. Undead exist because they draw their energy from the 'negative material' plane, or plane of Entropy/Death.

In Dragon Age, there's no such thing. There's the Fade, and there's the World. There's no 'opposite' energy for healing.

[Rawgrim]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

When Justice manifested, the area around Justice became more connected to the Fade, which reconnected the Tranquil to the Fade. When Justice subsided, no more connection, and back to being Tranquil.

The reason healing magic does damage to undead in other games is because they're all derived from Dungeons and Dragons, where healing magic came from priests drawing on the energy of the 'positive material' plane, or plane of Life. Undead exist because they draw their energy from the 'negative material' plane, or plane of Entropy/Death.

In Dragon Age, there's no such thing. There's the Fade, and there's the World. There's no 'opposite' energy for healing.

Spot on. Top marks for you.

[sunnydxmen]

ScarMK wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

Healing magic is always good even in dragon age, name itself implies they can affect spirits cleanse your body of evil spirits and heal your spirits.

No it doesn`t. It heals physical injuries.

how about when anders broke his friend free of being tranquil sure it was temporary ,but it showed that they heal way more then just wounds  they could heal someone spirit reconnect someone to the fade, this also shows they can affect the soul.

Justice was the whole reason for that little fiasco.  It had nothing to do with Ander's being a spirit healer.

all spirit   healer have spirits like blood mages have demons.

[leighzard]

sunnydxmen wrote...

all spirit   healer have spirits like blood mages have demons.

I think using blood magic just makes it more likely that you'll be possessed.  It's the magical equivalent of playing with fire.  Not all pyros are arsonists, but you can bet there's some overlap.  Not all blood mages actually have demons inside them.  Merrill certainly wasn't possessed.  She makes the argument that blood magic can be used, but you have to be careful and to know what you're doing so you *don't* end up as an abominiation.  Are there other true spirit healers we've encountered besides Wynne?  I can't remember Anders's specializations super well, but how much did Justice have to do with his healing abilities.

[Rawgrim]

sunnydxmen wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

Healing magic is always good even in dragon age, name itself implies they can affect spirits cleanse your body of evil spirits and heal your spirits.

No it doesn`t. It heals physical injuries.

how about when anders broke his friend free of being tranquil sure it was temporary ,but it showed that they heal way more then just wounds  they could heal someone spirit reconnect someone to the fade, this also shows they can affect the soul.

Justice was the whole reason for that little fiasco.  It had nothing to do with Ander's being a spirit healer.

all spirit   healer have spirits like blood mages have demons.

Blood magic just makes you very succeptable to being possessed by demons. You don`t actually have a demon in you when you use it.

[snackrat]

That would require one to be able to cast them on enemies at all. What if you're attacking a zombie and you want to heal an ally? Auto-cast on engaged target. Sorry Cassandra. *dead*.

What, make it require a target each time? What if you're attacking a zombie and you want to ATTACK THE ZOMBIE? Repeatedly click on engaged target. Sorry carpel tunnel. *sore*

Maybe you're playing a healer and want to have damage against other enemy types. What if you're attacking a human, and your only 'damaging' spell is the healing? Give them more health. Sorry speed run. *fffuuu*

Modifié par Karsciyin, 12 mars 2013 - 12:58 .

[sunnydxmen]

leborum wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

all spirit   healer have spirits like blood mages have demons.

I think using blood magic just makes it more likely that you'll be possessed.  It's the magical equivalent of playing with fire.  Not all pyros are arsonists, but you can bet there's some overlap.  Not all blood mages actually have demons inside them.  Merrill certainly wasn't possessed.  She makes the argument that blood magic can be used, but you have to be careful and to know what you're doing so you *don't* end up as an abominiation.  Are there other true spirit healers we've encountered besides Wynne?  I can't remember Anders's specializations super well, but how much did Justice have to do with his healing abilities.

watch by da3 merill will be anders 2.0 its always the ones you least  suspect.

[Alexander1136]

 NERRRDSSS

[Navasha]

Nope. Not in Dragon age.

Casting healing on an undead and expecting damage is like expecting a driver to take bodily injury when they go and get their car fixed at a mechanic.

Modifié par Navasha, 12 mars 2013 - 12:44 .

[Howlsfury]

sunnydxmen wrote...

 In final fantasy games healing undead enemies harms them ,skyrim dawnguard dlcdlc adds spells to healing where you can harm the undead with them ,i think spirit healer needs to be like that they should be also to damage demons who are spirits.

 
   Here is the problem with that: in games like Skyrim or FF Healing is asscoiated with Holyness and Divinity. It has Religiousty in mind, which is why in games like DnD Clerics can do extra damage to the Undead, it is the purging of evil. 

    In Dragon age Healing is an Act of Magic, an act of a mage using his magic to stich up your belly or stop an infection from spreading, and has nothing to do with a Holy power.

   Now, you could reason that Templares should get some thing to purge fade spirits out of corpses, since dealing with Malificar is a Templars job you would think they would train for things of that nature. 

Modifié par Howlsfury, 12 mars 2013 - 06:54 .

[Heimdall]

To be clear, I was talking about Justice when he was a possessed corpse. Healing worked for him, but what was it healing? It didn't stop him from decaying, but it rejuvenated him somehow...

[ScarMK]

Lord Aesir wrote...

To be clear, I was talking about Justice when he was a possessed corpse. Healing worked for him, but what was it healing? It didn't stop him from decaying, but it rejuvenated him somehow...

I imagine it merely patched up his body, but is not able to stop the decaying since he's not really alive.

[Heimdall]

ScarMK wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

To be clear, I was talking about Justice when he was a possessed corpse. Healing worked for him, but what was it healing? It didn't stop him from decaying, but it rejuvenated him somehow...

I imagine it merely patched up his body, but is not able to stop the decaying since he's not really alive.

That confuses me a little.  I mean, even if the body was damaged, at what point would Justice be knocked unconscious?  A spirit can still move a body when its only bone.  Does the damage hurt more than the body then?  If that were the case, then would not the spells be healing the spirit itself?  I suppose that would explain healing in the fade then.

[Howlsfury]

Lord Aesir wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

To be clear, I was talking about Justice when he was a possessed corpse. Healing worked for him, but what was it healing? It didn't stop him from decaying, but it rejuvenated him somehow...

I imagine it merely patched up his body, but is not able to stop the decaying since he's not really alive.

That confuses me a little.  I mean, even if the body was damaged, at what point would Justice be knocked unconscious?  A spirit can still move a body when its only bone.  Does the damage hurt more than the body then?  If that were the case, then would not the spells be healing the spirit itself?  I suppose that would explain healing in the fade then.

I would imagine this is one of those case's where the mechanics of the game are put before the lore/logic. Some times devs have to do that for the sake of gameplay itself. Imagine useing Justice as a tank on nightmare mode with out being able to heal him, or flip the coin, he could keep attacking while he was "dead". It wouldnt work well for the core gameplay itsself. 

[Trolldrool]

Since the undead in Thedas are nothing more than corpses possessed by demons driven insane upon discovering what they've possessed can't experience life anymore, if healing magic was to deal damage to them, positive spirit energy (spirits) would have to be directly opposed to negative spirit energy (demons).

First of all, there is nothing that suggests that positive spirit energy is directly opposed to negative spirit energy. Spirits are manefastions of emotions that define their entire being and they can only ever act according to those emotions. They don't have the luxury of choice. They can't choose to act against their nature like dwarves or humans or elves can.

Justice for instance was compelled by his nature to right any wrong. His perspective was completely black and white with no grey area. His understanding of grey areas were as obstacles. A spirit of rage must always act in anger. And because acting in perpetual anger inevitably leads to violence, mortals who come across such spirits will be horrifically mauled and then condemn the spirit as evil and unholy and label it a demon.

By their nature, there is nothing different between "benevolent" spirits and "malevolent" spirits. Only their behaviour.

Secondly, even if these energies were directly opposed, that would mean the positive spirit energy was attacking the demon possessing the corpse, not the corpse itself. And by that reasoning, healing magic should also damage mages who have been possessed by demons and even possessed trees. Yes, trees that have been possessed by demons that can't tell the difference between sentient life and plant life.

Modifié par Trolldrool, 12 mars 2013 - 07:52 .