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[Bullets McDeath]

LOL, I demand that EJ42 represent my gender and nationality in all future debates!!

[Dahelia]

iRipper wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

iRipper wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

iRipper wrote...

Thing is, women sometimes (well actually a lot of times) forget that, shyness and good looks quickly wears off. What then? You're left with a ****y bastard who can't do anything without help.

He  takes charge later on...he rather follow but he will lead if he has to..

Okay, how about leading from the start? I'm a freakin elf mage, taken from the tower (where I served the Circle well) against my will. I have no obligations to Duncan or Grey Wardens or anything. Duncan however was a mentor to Alistair, plus he's human, so he will be recieved better than me. 

Anyway, I hate that game developers didn't add a choice to leave Alistair right after Flemeth's hut or Lothering. <_<

You are the main character...YOU take charge...by the great Andraste....if he took charge there would be no need for you. He does take charge when he feels the need to...it is better for you to lead...if you had no obligation to Duncan or the Grey Wardens, you shouldn't of joined....

Did I mentioned that I was FORCED?  (you saw what happened to Jory) I would take charge, but without him. He's useless so I dump him! They could've add a choice where he like Duncan who didn't allow Jory to quit, challenges me for trying to get away and we fight. 

Forced??? Lol...okay...not going to bother.

[SarEnyaDor]

Having had 3 children in my womb I can state that that is false. SOME women my have trouble, but it is not all women. With my second child I was shovelling snow while in early labor - it wasn't until I took my shower that I was like .. you know, these cramps aren't really going away. LOL



Ever hear about the women having those babies out in the rice patties and then continuing on with their harvesting? Women are way more strong and capable than you give them credit for, and they can not be generalized - every woman, every pregnancy is different.

[EJ42]

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

EJ, you're a ******.

Nobody is "biologically wired" to believe that men are more capable than women...that's ENTIRELY social. If you were talking about upper body strength...yes, men NATURALLY have more upper body strength.

Women are just as capable of taking care of a family as a man...it's just that our society hasn't rebuilt itself in such a way that it's as acceptable. Feminism has failed us because while they redefined what a WOMAN could be, they failed to define what a MAN is supposed to be.

That's exactly what's wrong with you.  You just make up, in your own head, what you think I'm saying.  You just don't get it.

A woman, who is in very late term pregnancy is in a VERY weakened state.  That does not mean that women are, by nature, weak.  A pregnant woman is not going to be able to fight off a pack of angry wolves, even though she might be able to under other circumstances.  That's the point of a man.  The woman carries the baby to term, provides nourishment for it until it can eat solid food, and provides for its other needs.  The man's job is to do whatever else is necessary to facilitate her ability to do these things.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by the nature of our luxurious society, but try being stranded on an undeveloped island, and see if your view of nature changes.

Go watch on DHC (Discovery Health) I Survived that Pregnant?! or I'm Pregnant and....

You help prove my point for me.

If it was expected that they should easily survive such things, it wouldn't be worth having a show about it.

[Kohaku]

JabberJaww wrote...

Who would win in a fight... Carth or Alistair?

Carth. He would Dragon Punch Alistiar.

Then again Alistair has a sword with a pointy end.

Confused.

[Dahelia]

EJ42 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

It's about how you carry yourself.  Alistair wants to be carried.

The "damsel in distress" is often an appealing role (to men) for a woman to play.  It's never an appealing role (to men) for a man to play.  I'm not saying that's the situation in the game, but it's just a fact of the way we're designed.

Men are supposed to be able to take care of themselves.  Women are supposed to deserve the right to be taken care of, but women who can also take care of themselves have an added bonus to their appeal.  Mr. Mom types are not respected.  It's just something we are biologically wired to disapprove of.

Men are supposed to be perceived as someone who is capable of protecting the family while his wife is safe at home, about ready to give birth.  (Not that the woman should always be pregnant, but it is expected that the situation will eventually occur.  A man who cannot take care of his pregnant wife is no man at all.)

Alistair just seems more like the type who would beg his woman to have an abortion if he found out she got pregnant.

And that my friend is the reason why most men get a seriously bad rep from alot of woemn, your attitude is all wrong....very very wrong...

I just noticed that you're British.  You and I will most likely never agree on this point.  That's why we left.  It's a complete cultural disconnect.  We should just agree to not discuss the matter.

I'm sorry...I have to do this

It's true, and there is nothing really wrong with it.  British people have just grown up in a nanny state where their opinions on the roles people should play in life are very different from people in the rest of the world.

If you're a liberal anti-gun fanatic, then it's pointless for you to have a discussion with a lifetime NRA member.  You're just wasting each other's time.

You're not going to change each other's minds, and you're never going to understand the other's point of view.

You can live in your idealistic world where women and men are equal in all respects, but until you can implant a womb in a man, that will never be the case.

So...Americans have better opinions than those who are British...ok...another for you

[brownstudies]

EJ42 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

EJ, you're a ******.

Nobody is "biologically wired" to believe that men are more capable than women...that's ENTIRELY social. If you were talking about upper body strength...yes, men NATURALLY have more upper body strength.

Women are just as capable of taking care of a family as a man...it's just that our society hasn't rebuilt itself in such a way that it's as acceptable. Feminism has failed us because while they redefined what a WOMAN could be, they failed to define what a MAN is supposed to be.

That's exactly what's wrong with you.  You just make up, in your own head, what you think I'm saying.  You just don't get it.

A woman, who is in very late term pregnancy is in a VERY weakened state.  That does not mean that women are, by nature, weak.  A pregnant woman is not going to be able to fight off a pack of angry wolves, even though she might be able to under other circumstances.  That's the point of a man.  The woman carries the baby to term, provides nourishment for it until it can eat solid food, and provides for its other needs.  The man's job is to do whatever else is necessary to facilitate her ability to do these things.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by the nature of our luxurious society, but try being stranded on an undeveloped island, and see if your view of nature changes.

Go watch on DHC (Discovery Health) I Survived that Pregnant?! or I'm Pregnant and....

You help prove my point for me.

If it was expected that they should easily survive such things, it wouldn't be worth having a show about it.

You're a man, you don't have the right perspective. :innocent:

[Bullets McDeath]

Vicious wrote...

I found the original thread to be kind of odd, with the Femmes telling about how their real bf's/whatever paled in comparison to a fictional character, and how they broke up with them for that reason.

very strange reading. I'll never click that thread again.

that thread gave me the creeps too. It kinda makes me want to start a Morrigan is the perfect woman thread so those girls can see how ridiculous it looks from the other side. If there were even a single guy who claimed to dump his girlfriend (or even be disappointed with her) because she didn't match up to a videogame character, he'd get laughed off the site. By other guys, too, mostly.

[EJ42]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Having had 3 children in my womb I can state that that is false. SOME women my have trouble, but it is not all women. With my second child I was shovelling snow while in early labor - it wasn't until I took my shower that I was like .. you know, these cramps aren't really going away. LOL

Ever hear about the women having those babies out in the rice patties and then continuing on with their harvesting? Women are way more strong and capable than you give them credit for, and they can not be generalized - every woman, every pregnancy is different.

Alright then.  If women are supposed to do birth babies, while tending their own crops, then what exactly is a man's role?  Are we just sperm donors?

I think you're just blind to the reality of the world.  Just because you can do something doesn't mean you're supposed to.

By your apparent view of the world, men should just go about impregnating women, then move along to the next, letting them fend for themselves.  I mean, we don't offer you anything you can't do for yourself...

[Dahelia]

EJ42 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

EJ, you're a ******.

Nobody is "biologically wired" to believe that men are more capable than women...that's ENTIRELY social. If you were talking about upper body strength...yes, men NATURALLY have more upper body strength.

Women are just as capable of taking care of a family as a man...it's just that our society hasn't rebuilt itself in such a way that it's as acceptable. Feminism has failed us because while they redefined what a WOMAN could be, they failed to define what a MAN is supposed to be.

That's exactly what's wrong with you.  You just make up, in your own head, what you think I'm saying.  You just don't get it.

A woman, who is in very late term pregnancy is in a VERY weakened state.  That does not mean that women are, by nature, weak.  A pregnant woman is not going to be able to fight off a pack of angry wolves, even though she might be able to under other circumstances.  That's the point of a man.  The woman carries the baby to term, provides nourishment for it until it can eat solid food, and provides for its other needs.  The man's job is to do whatever else is necessary to facilitate her ability to do these things.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by the nature of our luxurious society, but try being stranded on an undeveloped island, and see if your view of nature changes.

Go watch on DHC (Discovery Health) I Survived that Pregnant?! or I'm Pregnant and....

You help prove my point for me.

If it was expected that they should easily survive such things, it wouldn't be worth having a show about it.

You...are just saying that women are weak during pregnancy...by the great goddess...I would kill someone if they came to hurt me while pregnant, my child is my life....I will protect that growing child...and women are by far stronger pregnant because they have something to protect...women will walk 10 miles with no shoes, with gashes on her body to SAVE her unborn child or a child that is born already.

[JabberJaww]

brownstudies wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

EJ, you're a ******.

Nobody is "biologically wired" to believe that men are more capable than women...that's ENTIRELY social. If you were talking about upper body strength...yes, men NATURALLY have more upper body strength.

Women are just as capable of taking care of a family as a man...it's just that our society hasn't rebuilt itself in such a way that it's as acceptable. Feminism has failed us because while they redefined what a WOMAN could be, they failed to define what a MAN is supposed to be.

That's exactly what's wrong with you.  You just make up, in your own head, what you think I'm saying.  You just don't get it.

A woman, who is in very late term pregnancy is in a VERY weakened state.  That does not mean that women are, by nature, weak.  A pregnant woman is not going to be able to fight off a pack of angry wolves, even though she might be able to under other circumstances.  That's the point of a man.  The woman carries the baby to term, provides nourishment for it until it can eat solid food, and provides for its other needs.  The man's job is to do whatever else is necessary to facilitate her ability to do these things.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by the nature of our luxurious society, but try being stranded on an undeveloped island, and see if your view of nature changes.

Go watch on DHC (Discovery Health) I Survived that Pregnant?! or I'm Pregnant and....

You help prove my point for me.

If it was expected that they should easily survive such things, it wouldn't be worth having a show about it.

You're a man, you don't have the right perspective. :innocent:

Have you ever cried watching a hallmark commercial?

[Dahelia]

This guy better stop...I am running out of facepalm pictures....

[DukeOfNukes]

EJ42 wrote...

That's exactly what's wrong with you.  You just make up, in your own head, what you think I'm saying.  You just don't get it.

A woman, who is in very late term pregnancy is in a VERY weakened state.  That does not mean that women are, by nature, weak.  A pregnant woman is not going to be able to fight off a pack of angry wolves, even though she might be able to under other circumstances.  That's the point of a man.  The woman carries the baby to term, provides nourishment for it until it can eat solid food, and provides for its other needs.  The man's job is to do whatever else is necessary to facilitate her ability to do these things.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by the nature of our luxurious society, but try being stranded on an undeveloped island, and see if your view of nature changes.

I'm arguing with your use of the words "biological" and "nature". It's not "nature" for a man to protect his wife...under ANY circumstance. Many men, when confronted by a pack of angry wolves, would, at best, try dragging their pregnant wife behind them while running away...they wouldn't stand and fight. The only thing "biological" about that is that we would instinctively go into "flight or fight" mode, and then our values, which are instilled in us by SOCIAL sources, would tell us which.

it's not "biological" for a woman to desire a man with the fight instinct...particularly not when it goes against common sense.

[SarEnyaDor]

Do you want an evolutionary answer, or a sociological one?

[Dahelia]

iRipper wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

iRipper wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

iRipper wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

iRipper wrote...

Thing is, women sometimes (well actually a lot of times) forget that, shyness and good looks quickly wears off. What then? You're left with a ****y bastard who can't do anything without help.

He  takes charge later on...he rather follow but he will lead if he has to..

Okay, how about leading from the start? I'm a freakin elf mage, taken from the tower (where I served the Circle well) against my will. I have no obligations to Duncan or Grey Wardens or anything. Duncan however was a mentor to Alistair, plus he's human, so he will be recieved better than me. 

Anyway, I hate that game developers didn't add a choice to leave Alistair right after Flemeth's hut or Lothering. <_<

You are the main character...YOU take charge...by the great Andraste....if he took charge there would be no need for you. He does take charge when he feels the need to...it is better for you to lead...if you had no obligation to Duncan or the Grey Wardens, you shouldn't of joined....

Did I mentioned that I was FORCED?  (you saw what happened to Jory) I would take charge, but without him. He's useless so I dump him! They could've add a choice where he like Duncan who didn't allow Jory to quit, challenges me for trying to get away and we fight. 

Forced??? Lol...okay...not going to bother.

Well yeah  I didn't have a choice to say no! I understand that the game has to move on, but c'mon I can kick Morrigan out, kill the Dog, but Alistair will stay glued to my ass, even if I'm completely EVIL 

Alistair is a Grey Warden and a bastard child of the late King...killing him would kill half the story.

[JabberJaww]

Dahelia wrote...

This guy better stop...I am running out of facepalm pictures....

Come on Neve, go find more

[Dahelia]

JabberJaww wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

This guy better stop...I am running out of facepalm pictures....

Come on Neve, go find more

Lol! *goes to work on it*

[Kohaku]

outlaworacle wrote...

Vicious wrote...

I found the original thread to be kind of odd, with the Femmes telling about how their real bf's/whatever paled in comparison to a fictional character, and how they broke up with them for that reason.

very strange reading. I'll never click that thread again.

that thread gave me the creeps too. It kinda makes me want to start a Morrigan is the perfect woman thread so those girls can see how ridiculous it looks from the other side. If there were even a single guy who claimed to dump his girlfriend (or even be disappointed with her) because she didn't match up to a videogame character, he'd get laughed off the site. By other guys, too, mostly.

Come now. Don't tell me you didn't have just a chuckle right? I laughed for a good bit of time.

[brownstudies]

JabberJaww wrote...

brownstudies wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

EJ, you're a ******.

Nobody is "biologically wired" to believe that men are more capable than women...that's ENTIRELY social. If you were talking about upper body strength...yes, men NATURALLY have more upper body strength.

Women are just as capable of taking care of a family as a man...it's just that our society hasn't rebuilt itself in such a way that it's as acceptable. Feminism has failed us because while they redefined what a WOMAN could be, they failed to define what a MAN is supposed to be.

That's exactly what's wrong with you.  You just make up, in your own head, what you think I'm saying.  You just don't get it.

A woman, who is in very late term pregnancy is in a VERY weakened state.  That does not mean that women are, by nature, weak.  A pregnant woman is not going to be able to fight off a pack of angry wolves, even though she might be able to under other circumstances.  That's the point of a man.  The woman carries the baby to term, provides nourishment for it until it can eat solid food, and provides for its other needs.  The man's job is to do whatever else is necessary to facilitate her ability to do these things.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by the nature of our luxurious society, but try being stranded on an undeveloped island, and see if your view of nature changes.

Go watch on DHC (Discovery Health) I Survived that Pregnant?! or I'm Pregnant and....

You help prove my point for me.

If it was expected that they should easily survive such things, it wouldn't be worth having a show about it.

You're a man, you don't have the right perspective. :innocent:

Have you ever cried watching a hallmark commercial?

I've never seen one, so i have no idea what you're getting at, sorry. I was just poking fun at EJ42.

[EJ42]

Dahelia wrote...

So...Americans have better opinions than those who are British...ok...another for you

Not all Americans.  Also not all British agree with each other.

I take it that you're probably a teenage girl who hasn't really experienced the real world before.  In all of my visits to the UK, I've gotten along just fine with them.  It's just that some of their opinions on things are so far off from the normal view of American society that it's not worth discussing certain topics with them.

It doesn't make them bad people.  It's the same with people who are rabid fans of different sports teams.  Just don't talk about each other's team, and you won't offend each other.

It's too bad that you cannot accept a logical explanation of why Alistair's attitude is unappealing to many men.  The fact that you think our opinion of him can even possibly be "wrong" shows a great failure in your thinking.

[JabberJaww]

brownstudies wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

brownstudies wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

EJ, you're a ******.

Nobody is "biologically wired" to believe that men are more capable than women...that's ENTIRELY social. If you were talking about upper body strength...yes, men NATURALLY have more upper body strength.

Women are just as capable of taking care of a family as a man...it's just that our society hasn't rebuilt itself in such a way that it's as acceptable. Feminism has failed us because while they redefined what a WOMAN could be, they failed to define what a MAN is supposed to be.

That's exactly what's wrong with you.  You just make up, in your own head, what you think I'm saying.  You just don't get it.

A woman, who is in very late term pregnancy is in a VERY weakened state.  That does not mean that women are, by nature, weak.  A pregnant woman is not going to be able to fight off a pack of angry wolves, even though she might be able to under other circumstances.  That's the point of a man.  The woman carries the baby to term, provides nourishment for it until it can eat solid food, and provides for its other needs.  The man's job is to do whatever else is necessary to facilitate her ability to do these things.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by the nature of our luxurious society, but try being stranded on an undeveloped island, and see if your view of nature changes.

Go watch on DHC (Discovery Health) I Survived that Pregnant?! or I'm Pregnant and....

You help prove my point for me.

If it was expected that they should easily survive such things, it wouldn't be worth having a show about it.

You're a man, you don't have the right perspective. :innocent:

Have you ever cried watching a hallmark commercial?

I've never seen one, so i have no idea what you're getting at, sorry. I was just poking fun at EJ42.

Easy easy, i know you were goofing.. i was trying to be humorous, no offense meant

[You Are Here]

I hold the door for whomever is coming after me. Be they man, woman, younger, older, hands filled with packages or pushing a stroller, or hands empty... I hold the door because it's the way I would want to be treated if I were following them. I'm not making a political statement about their capabilities, strengths or weaknesses. I'm just being polite.

It's called manners and civility.


((edit)) dagnabbit, this thread is moving so fast that by the time I finished my post, the thread had moved several pages past the "door-holding" parts.  Oh well.  I'll still hold the door for ya.

Modifié par You Are Here, 12 janvier 2010 - 08:15 .