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[Herr Uhl]

DukeOfNukes wrote...
What women have you met that think logically? Seriously...I haven't met any...otherwise I'd be dating them.

I have met a few, they date other people.


No, I'm not bitter.

[Dahelia]

Maviarab wrote...

Outlaw,

you are correct, but in my experiance, chauvanistic, archaic bigots who think that a womans place is in the kitchen while the mans man goes out to hunt and then gets to 'look after her' do not end up having happy lives....

Especially since about ohhh......the 80's?

Heck...in the 80s both of my parents worked....they both provided, my mom didn't stop working till my brother was born. I was actually with my grandma most of the time.

[EJ42]

outlaworacle wrote...

EJ42, are you going for some kind of record here? I think "agree to disagree" would fit well here. Obviously, people are wasting their time trying to convince you, and without jumping RIGHT into the middle of it... trust me man, you're not convincing anybody of anything. Just relax, take a deep breath, and remember it's just a thread about a fictional character who you think is a douchebag anyway.

I just think it's hillarious that they're getting so worked up about this.

So many women are not content with being equal.  They want to be more than equal, but this is not the proper forum to really continue this discussion.  The girls who are posting in this thread, have not really even considered what the role of a man should be in the world.  As a man, I'm perfectly fine with admitting that I cannot bear children.  It doesn't make me feel like any sort of a failure.  However, these girls aren't happy considering themselves as anything less than being able to pop out babies while harvesting crops and defending their land against the invading armies all at the same time.

The point is that Alistair lives in a world where we do not have our sissified society.  Women and men have pretty clearly defined roles in the land of Ferelden.  It's not about what they can do.  It's about what is expected of them.  Alistair does not live in England or the U.S.A. to begin with.  He lives in Ferelden.  He's expected to be a strong man, taking care of his family.

In truth, Alistair is expected to take care of his kingdom, being the heir to the throne.  It's not a simple choice.  There are things such as duty, which too many people in our real society seem to have lost the ability to comprehend.

[Kohaku]

Dahelia wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

ok...here's where I'm going to have to come off as the misogynist...

What women have you met that think logically? Seriously...I haven't met any...otherwise I'd be dating them.

Back on topic...you are somewhat right. Regardless of the reasons, most women don't want a man they have to take care of. They don't necessarily want a guy that will take care of them...but seriously? Personally, I wouldn't respect a WOMAN that reacts that way, let alone a man. Either sex, I'd have the strong urge to smack them around.

To the first part....look harder...>.>

I would agree but... women are quite insane. I've been one for 25 years. I have a hard ass time talking to them. Hands down.

[JabberJaww]

brownstudies wrote...

JabberJaww wrote..

Easy easy, i know you were goofing.. i was trying to be humorous, no offense meant

None taken! I just didn't get the reference ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png I'm a Brit, I don't see these things!

Ohhh a Brit!!! Yayy, love the accent.

They are greeting card advertisments here in the states.. usually very sad and sentimental.. most women cry when watching them. Was trying to get a battle of the sexes going.. obviously i failed

[brownstudies]

EJ42 wrote..

The point is that Alistair lives in a world where we do not have our sissified society.  Women and men have pretty clearly defined roles in the land of Ferelden.

No. It says in one of the loading screens that men and women are viewed as equal in Ferelden.

Modifié par brownstudies, 12 janvier 2010 - 08:30 .

[JabberJaww]

I DEMAND more facepalm pic please

[EJ42]

Dahelia wrote...

There are no words to express to you that you would actually get...without some smart remark of you being superior to us....there are only facepalm and headdesk pictures for you.

That is exactly what is wrong with you.

You cannot get it out of your head that the word "different" is anything other than a synonym for "superior."

Men and women have different roles.  Neither is more or less important than the other.  You just don't want to accept that.

Also, any honest woman will admit that women respond emotionally to a situation more strongly than they do logically.  It is just how the typical woman's brain is wired.

Men are, typically, more analytical.  That doesn't make us better.  It just means that our views of Alistair are not likely to match.  This is especially true when you consider that you're "supposed" to be attracted to him while I am not.

[Dahelia]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

ok...here's where I'm going to have to come off as the misogynist...

What women have you met that think logically? Seriously...I haven't met any...otherwise I'd be dating them.

Back on topic...you are somewhat right. Regardless of the reasons, most women don't want a man they have to take care of. They don't necessarily want a guy that will take care of them...but seriously? Personally, I wouldn't respect a WOMAN that reacts that way, let alone a man. Either sex, I'd have the strong urge to smack them around.

To the first part....look harder...>.>

I would agree but... women are quite insane. I've been one for 25 years. I have a hard ass time talking to them. Hands down.

We can be...lol but there are ones who are sensable...

[Xzira]

EJ42 wrote...

The point is that Alistair lives in a world where we do not have our sissified society.  Women and men have pretty clearly defined roles in the land of Ferelden.  It's not about what they can do.  It's about what is expected of them.  Alistair does not live in England or the U.S.A. to begin with.  He lives in Ferelden.  He's expected to be a strong man, taking care of his family.

In truth, Alistair is expected to take care of his kingdom, being the heir to the throne.  It's not a simple choice.  There are things such as duty, which too many people in our real society seem to have lost the ability to comprehend.

I'm seriously curious if we were playing the same game here??? Did you ever play through Orzammar??? Where did you see all the big manly men taking care of everything while their simpering little womenfolk cooked their dinners??

Or let's see... the fact that the person running the nation was, in fact, a woman, with a man who was merely a figurehead as the king. Hmm. And IF it was truly intended to be such a man's world in Ferelden, you'd think that there'd be no option to play a female pc at all. No romance options for said female pc. No women holding any sort of powerful positions because hey, let's not forget, women are weak and incapable without a man to stand in front of them.

[Dahelia]

EJ42 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

There are no words to express to you that you would actually get...without some smart remark of you being superior to us....there are only facepalm and headdesk pictures for you.

That is exactly what is wrong with you.

You cannot get it out of your head that the word "different" is anything other than a synonym for "superior."

Men and women have different roles.  Neither is more or less important than the other.  You just don't want to accept that.

Also, any honest woman will admit that women respond emotionally to a situation more strongly than they do logically.  It is just how the typical woman's brain is wired.

Men are, typically, more analytical.  That doesn't make us better.  It just means that our views of Alistair are not likely to match.  This is especially true when you consider that you're "supposed" to be attracted to him while I am not.

Our roles are not that different...except I have a period and I can carry children...and you can't...oh and I have boobs but if a man is fat enough he can have them too....we are emotional and think with our emotions sometimes, while men think with one head. As the saying goes "Men have two heads but only enough blood to run one at a time" (No offense to my guy friends). For you to actually think that our roles are so different....is stupid. I'm a woman, I'm in college. I am a minority but a greater minority because I am a hispanic female who is achieving a master degree...

[EJ42]

brownstudies wrote...

EJ42 wrote..

The point is that Alistair lives in a world where we do not have our sissified society.  Women and men have pretty clearly defined roles in the land of Ferelden.

No. It says in one of the loading screens that men and women are viewed as equal in Ferelden.

There is nothing about "equal" that says they are expected to perform the same roles.

A housewife is "equal" to a soldier, but it doesn't mean she is expected to be on the battlefield.
(Yes.  There are female warriors, but they are not in the majority.  Try talking to Leliana about Orlais...)

Most women are not expected to want to be soldiers.

It's the same reason that the "girls toy section" is filled with pink boxes of dolls while the "boys toy section" is filled with blue boxes of trucks and play swords.  We're expected to like different things depending on our gender.

[EJ42]

Xzira wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

The point is that Alistair lives in a world where we do not have our sissified society.  Women and men have pretty clearly defined roles in the land of Ferelden.  It's not about what they can do.  It's about what is expected of them.  Alistair does not live in England or the U.S.A. to begin with.  He lives in Ferelden.  He's expected to be a strong man, taking care of his family.

In truth, Alistair is expected to take care of his kingdom, being the heir to the throne.  It's not a simple choice.  There are things such as duty, which too many people in our real society seem to have lost the ability to comprehend.

I'm seriously curious if we were playing the same game here??? Did you ever play through Orzammar??? Where did you see all the big manly men taking care of everything while their simpering little womenfolk cooked their dinners??

Or let's see... the fact that the person running the nation was, in fact, a woman, with a man who was merely a figurehead as the king. Hmm. And IF it was truly intended to be such a man's world in Ferelden, you'd think that there'd be no option to play a female pc at all. No romance options for said female pc. No women holding any sort of powerful positions because hey, let's not forget, women are weak and incapable without a man to stand in front of them.

Dwarves think they will fall into the sky if they visit the surface.  They're not exactly portrayed as the pinnacle of society in the game.

[EJ42]

Xzira wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

The point is that Alistair lives in a world where we do not have our sissified society.  Women and men have pretty clearly defined roles in the land of Ferelden.  It's not about what they can do.  It's about what is expected of them.  Alistair does not live in England or the U.S.A. to begin with.  He lives in Ferelden.  He's expected to be a strong man, taking care of his family.

In truth, Alistair is expected to take care of his kingdom, being the heir to the throne.  It's not a simple choice.  There are things such as duty, which too many people in our real society seem to have lost the ability to comprehend.

I'm seriously curious if we were playing the same game here??? Did you ever play through Orzammar??? Where did you see all the big manly men taking care of everything while their simpering little womenfolk cooked their dinners??

Or let's see... the fact that the person running the nation was, in fact, a woman, with a man who was merely a figurehead as the king. Hmm. And IF it was truly intended to be such a man's world in Ferelden, you'd think that there'd be no option to play a female pc at all. No romance options for said female pc. No women holding any sort of powerful positions because hey, let's not forget, women are weak and incapable without a man to stand in front of them.

Dwarves think they will fall into the sky if they visit the surface.  They're not exactly portrayed as the pinnacle of society in the game.

[PHALL3N]

Mehh...

[Kohaku]

EJ42 wrote...

brownstudies wrote...

EJ42 wrote..

The point is that Alistair lives in a world where we do not have our sissified society.  Women and men have pretty clearly defined roles in the land of Ferelden.

No. It says in one of the loading screens that men and women are viewed as equal in Ferelden.

There is nothing about "equal" that says they are expected to perform the same roles.

A housewife is "equal" to a soldier, but it doesn't mean she is expected to be on the battlefield.
(Yes.  There are female warriors, but they are not in the majority.  Try talking to Leliana about Orlais...)

Most women are not expected to want to be soldiers.

It's the same reason that the "girls toy section" is filled with pink boxes of dolls while the "boys toy section" is filled with blue boxes of trucks and play swords.  We're expected to like different things depending on our gender.

Just wait a minute! I always go to the boy's toy section to pick up the female Bakugan characters! Refute that!

[JabberJaww]

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

There are no words to express to you that you would actually get...without some smart remark of you being superior to us....there are only facepalm and headdesk pictures for you.

That is exactly what is wrong with you.

You cannot get it out of your head that the word "different" is anything other than a synonym for "superior."

Men and women have different roles.  Neither is more or less important than the other.  You just don't want to accept that.

Also, any honest woman will admit that women respond emotionally to a situation more strongly than they do logically.  It is just how the typical woman's brain is wired.

Men are, typically, more analytical.  That doesn't make us better.  It just means that our views of Alistair are not likely to match.  This is especially true when you consider that you're "supposed" to be attracted to him while I am not.

Our roles are not that different...except I have a period and I can carry children...and you can't...oh and I have boobs but if a man is fat enough he can have them too....we are emotional and think with our emotions sometimes, while men think with one head. As the saying goes "Men have two heads but only enough blood to run one at a time" (No offense to my guy friends). For you to actually think that our roles are so different....is stupid. I'm a woman, I'm in college. I am a minority but a greater minority because I am a hispanic female who is achieving a master degree...

I am highly offended by this and i als...... wait, you said boobs

[brownstudies]

EJ42 wrote...

brownstudies wrote...

EJ42 wrote..

The point is that Alistair lives in a world where we do not have our sissified society.  Women and men have pretty clearly defined roles in the land of Ferelden.

No. It says in one of the loading screens that men and women are viewed as equal in Ferelden.

There is nothing about "equal" that says they are expected to perform the same roles.

A housewife is "equal" to a soldier, but it doesn't mean she is expected to be on the battlefield.
(Yes.  There are female warriors, but they are not in the majority.  Try talking to Leliana about Orlais...)

Most women are not expected to want to be soldiers.

It's the same reason that the "girls toy section" is filled with pink boxes of dolls while the "boys toy section" is filled with blue boxes of trucks and play swords.  We're expected to like different things depending on our gender.

Then explain Ser Cauthrian, Anora, Isabela and Mother Cousland.

Orlais isn't Ferelden, we're talking about Ferelden.

[Cybercat999]

Oh boy I go get some dinner and this thread grows 5 pages O.o

Lazy to read all........ what happened to mans men? I could use one to do the dishes here if you got any extra left.

[cinderburster]

PHALL3N makes a good point.

[Dahelia]

Cybercat999 wrote...

Oh boy I go get some dinner and this thread grows 5 pages O.o
Lazy to read all........ what happened to mans men? I could use one to do the dishes here if you got any extra left.

Women are suppose to do the dishes...according to someone.....>.>