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[EJ42]

Maviarab wrote...

Personally on this debate (and I must be a real sissy, not a real man at all) I would love to stay at home and look after the kids while a woman went out to work....bothers me not one bit that she would be the bread winner.

Just imagine how I could 'look after you' after a hard day at work (winks)....

Role definition died 50 years ago EJ, get over it dude.

1) You're still from the UK.
2) That's pretty much how I'd expect you to feel.

Honor and dignity...yeah.  Give me WW2 England any day over the current...whatever.

[EJ42]

Maviarab wrote...

We wouldn't have that either if our society crumbles. Your view of your role would drastically change under those conditions.

Why so?

Because you'd  have to figure out where food really comes from.

Would you prefer to be out tending the fields while your husband stayed inside with the kids?

There would be no formula.  It would be breast milk or nothing.  There wouldn't likely be refrigerators either, so you couldn't pre-pump.

You would start to realize what nature has designed us each for.

Obtusifolius wrote...

I cannot really see how a man is
any more fit to deal with a tiger or lion than a woman. Either way, if
you don't have a gun, you're ****ed. If you do have one, you're going to have a better chance regardless of whether you are male or female.

And
about society crumbling... two things. Firstly, I do not think women
would fall to pieces like you think they would. I am sure many would,
but then I am sure many men would.

Secondly, even if women were
as useless in an 'out in the wild' type situation as you say, that is
no reason not to fight for equality between genders. It is absurd to
suggest that we should keep the divide 'just in case' society crumbles.
You might equally say men should be out practising hunting with spears
and bows and arrows 'just in case'.

Why do you think I believe women would fall to pieces?  I just think they would realize that the things they get so worked up about in our current society aren't as important as they believe they are now.

As for women being "useless in the wild", I've never implied that is the case.  Again, you project your opinions on my words.  The man is supposed to be out in the wilds to free up the woman's time to breast-feed the children and protect them from other threats while he is away.  That doesn't imply that the woman is weak.  It simply acknowledges that each gender has certain talents that compliment each other.

You can't get our "advanced" society out of your mind long enough to consider what things would be like without our technology.

As for survival-training, ABSOLUTELY.  Every person should be taught how to exist in the absence of our technology.

Modifié par EJ42, 12 janvier 2010 - 09:17 .

[Bullets McDeath]

EJ42 wrote...

Sure, as a woman (or even most men), you may think you're completely capable of driving to the store to purchase your groceries, then drive home (to your comfortable house/apartment) to cook it.  You don't have wolves, lions, tigers, or bears constantly encroaching upon your living spaces.  You don't have to worry about roving bandits ransacking your homes with no one to turn to.  You have the police, fire department, paramedics, hospitals, grocery stores, etc.

Yes, exactly. We don't have wolves, lions, tigers or bears as natural enemies anymore. I'm pretty sure we're all very well aware of that. This fact is what makes the rest of your opinions so anachronistic. You seem to behave and expect others to behave as if we did still have these problems. 

[Herr Uhl]

EJ42 wrote...
Honor and dignity...yeah.  Give me WW2 England any day over the current...whatever.

Yes, England being bombed and on the brink of invasion was better. We need more people invading the good ol'
 US of A too.

[brownstudies]

EJ42 wrote..

Sure, as a woman (or even most men), you may think you're completely capable of driving to the store to purchase your groceries, then drive home (to your comfortable house/apartment) to cook it.  You don't have wolves, lions, tigers, or bears constantly encroaching upon your living spaces.  You don't have to worry about roving bandits ransacking your homes with no one to turn to.  You have the police, fire department, paramedics, hospitals, grocery stores, etc.

They don't have that all over Ferelden (especially during a Blight).  We wouldn't have that either if our society crumbles.  Your view of your role would drastically change under those conditions.

Which is why we need Alistair to come along with his sword and shield and kill everything in his path, like he does. That WAS the original topic, right? That you thought Alistair was overrated; except he'd be a damn sight more equipped than most men in Ferelden to deal with the situation you just described, by virtue of being a grey warden/badass with a weapon - thus saving all the women folk, which in your eyes is what really makes a "man's man"? Did I get all the points in there? Yes? <_<

[Cybercat999]

EJ42 wrote...

That's just the thing.  Too many of you are are so tainted by the easy acquisition of money in our luxurious society.  You do not seem capable of comprehending a life in an unforgiving frontier.  (Yes.  Life during a Blight is hard, and society breaks down.)

Sure, as a woman (or even most men), you may think you're completely capable of driving to the store to purchase your groceries, then drive home (to your comfortable house/apartment) to cook it.  You don't have wolves, lions, tigers, or bears constantly encroaching upon your living spaces.  You don't have to worry about roving bandits ransacking your homes with no one to turn to.  You have the police, fire department, paramedics, hospitals, grocery stores, etc.

They don't have that all over Ferelden (especially during a Blight).  We wouldn't have that either if our society crumbles.  Your view of your role would drastically change under those conditions.

Woah dont jump into conclusions too fast.

I personally went through 4 years of civil war in my country, something that you probably cant even imagine. I know only too well what lack of not luxury but food for your children means, just as constant fear for their lives.
I know how its like to wake up every night and run into shelter because of air force alarm.
I saw my close friend and family member being blown to pieces by a bomb in front of my very eyes.

Please, dont try to feed me with bs about Ferelden and lions and tigers.

[Dahelia]

Mav..why are you going to bother justifying anything with this person who will just throw you are from England in your face?

[brownstudies]

MrHimuraChan wrote...

brownstudies wrote...

MrHimuraChan wrote...

brownstudies wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

  If my wife happened to enjoy cooking, then I'd let her, but I think it would be more interesting to spend the time together in the kitchen, cooking as a team.  There's also a major appeal to doing the dishes together.  It's about being a team, and filling the void(s) in each other's lives.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. i thought it was about protecting your woman?! You're not a man's man at all! You're more of a sissy than Alistair!

I like to cook...

Christ, you're even WHINY like Alistair!

I cannot respect a man with a human sissy side. LEAVE THIS PLACE.

Ok, fine... But i'm taking this with me. 

.....COME BACK TO THIS PLACE. <3

[EJ42]

Obtusifolius wrote...

EJ42 wrote...


Because you'd  have to figure out where food really comes from.

Would you prefer to be out tending the fields while your husband stayed inside with the kids?

There would be no formula.  It would be breast milk or nothing.  There wouldn't likely be refrigerators either, so you couldn't pre-pump.

You would start to realize what nature has designed us each for.

I can see your point here - women are built to bear children, women are built to suckle children, etc. etc. - but how is that, in the society we live in, relevant to the way we live our lives?

What part of our society is relevant to whether or not Alistair is an overrated guy?

I don't like Alistair because he does not fit the personality profile I feel he should have to properly fill his role in his society.

A bunch of people flipped out about my definition of "man's man," so I, apparently futilely, decided to try to explain my views.  It's no big deal if you don't agree with them.  I'm not in here looking for an e-date.

[Digital Supremacy]

Can't you all just agree to disagree? no one is going to convince anyone, its impossible, that much is obvious. He doesn't like Alistair for what ever reason. so what? Unless your one some personal crusade to convince every man, woman and child, that you MUST love Alistair for these reasons what do you care if he doesn't like him? If you like Alistair good for you, go on with your day, if he doesn't like Alistair all the more power to him. I just don't get why people feel the need to try and convince the other party that they are right and that is that... (even though this thread has nothing to do with Alistair anymore lol and more about the roles of men and women in society... which differ from country to country naturally...)



The day when everyone likes something is as likely as to arrive as the the world is to end in 2012... >_>

[EJ42]

Maviarab wrote...

Yes, England being bombed and on the brink of invasion was better. We need more people invading the good ol'
US of A too.

is not allowed. Only Ok if its America doing the invading

Because you'd have to figure out where food really comes from.

Showing your colours again EJ....do you really think women are that stupid? In fact, its probably safer if you dont actually answer that lol

And its been proved time and time again (FACT)...that women are actualy the stronger emotionally over men, so your theory of women all falling to bits while the real men go out and save the world is so deluded I am actually beginning to question your age and or upbringing....

I will give you that British men are probably very similar in constitution to Alistair.

I can see how he would appear to be the ideal man to you.  I'm glad you can relate to him so well.

[EJ42]

Obtusifolius wrote...

Yes, EJ... What about those of us who agree with him but are not from the UK?

You're called females.  You're not expected to have the same opinions as men.

Obtusifolius wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

What part of our society is relevant to whether or not Alistair is an overrated guy?

I don't like Alistair because he does not fit the personality profile I feel he should have to properly fill his role in his society.

A
bunch of people flipped out about my definition of "man's man," so I,
apparently futilely, decided to try to explain my views.  It's no big
deal if you don't agree with them.  I'm not in here looking for an
e-date.

Oh come on, why are you copping out now? You were willing to take on all comers earlier, what's happened to all that spunk...?

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

You're under the mistaken impression that I was out to prove anyone wrong.

I'm just stating my view of what a man should be, and relating it to why I feel that Alistair fails at that.

As for the cultural differences, that's just the nature of life.  I'm not going to discuss "gender roles" with a person who believes there is no such thing.  I've never been to Brazil, so I can't imagine what their opinion of the "perfect man" is.  It's pointless to have a discussion with them about my perceived role of a man.

As for the "nanny state" comment, I didn't come up with that.  I heard it first from a Brit.

Modifié par EJ42, 12 janvier 2010 - 09:24 .

[Bibdy]

My god, you idiots are just reading sexism where there isn't any. He's saying we're genetically pre-disposed to fill certain roles. In pre-historic times, the men didn't breast-feed the kids and take care of them while the women hunted for food. These borders have obviously been blurred out in modern times (in fact, only within the last 40-50 years between men and women, and its still obviously not perfect), but should the apocalypse happen and we immediately go back to caveman status, the jobs each sex performs would tend towards appealing to the natural instincts and role of the gender.

Males and females of the species are probably going to give less of a crap about equal rights when they have to fight every day for BASIC SURVIVAL.

Its okay, EJ. There's one mature person in this thread who gets what you're talking about.

Modifié par Bibdy, 12 janvier 2010 - 09:25 .

[Schneidend]

Alistair's cool. As others have mentioned, I like his sense of humor, and I love that Bioware gave us dialogue options that allowed our player character to have a similar attitude in order to vex mentor characters like Wynne and Duncan. Such fun!