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[RadiantViper]

Alistair is awesome. I hated doing mean stuff to him in my second/third playthrough for achievements.

[EJ42]

Ok.  This thread is about done, but I have one last thing to add.

As an aid to illustrate my opinion of what makes a man worthwhile, I have made a short list of characters from movies below.  Again, this is only my opinion, but I hope it helps you to understand why I dislike Alistair.

Examples of the Human Male Phenotype:

Acceptable:
Hugh Grant's character from Notting Hill
Colin Firth's character from Love Actually
Liam Neeson's character from Love Actually
Hugh Grant's character from Love Actually
Seth Rogen's character from Funny People (borderline, but ok)
Ewan McGregor's character from Moulin Rouge (a little brooding, but acceptable)
Tom Hanks' character from Sleepless in Seattle (not a whiner)
Will Smith's character from Bad Boys (a little too much of a womanizer, but...not married)
Brendan Fraser's character from Blast from the Past
Daniel Jackson from Stargate:SG1


Unacceptable:
Alistair from Dragon Age:Origins
Billy Bob Thornton's character from Love Actually (example of the other end of the failure spectrum)
Peter from Heroes
Ron Weasley from Harry Potter
Edmund Pevensie from TCoN:The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Dane Cook's character from Good Luck Chuck
Adam Sandler's character from Funny People
Jason Schwartzman's character from Funny People
Screech from Saved By the Bell
Anakin Skywalker from any of the prequels
Cousin Eddie from Nat. Lampoon
Martin Lawrence's character from Bad Boys II (less annoying in BBI)

[Iris562]

Really? This thread is actually still running?



Idk about the women who play the game, but for me I couldn't care less if Alistair whines, he's hillarious when he does it. He's my comic relief, I don't really think he was meant to be all stoic and brave and all that crap. I have Sten for that.

[Fexelea]

RadiantViper wrote...

Alistair is awesome. I hated doing mean stuff to him in my second/third playthrough for achievements.

That. Trophy wh0rin is bad... but I can't help myself!
Lucky for me my real character is his darling

[Kohaku]

Oh dear. The flames are mighty high with this one. I expect at least another 10 to 15 pages by morning.

[Iris562]

EJ42 wrote...

Ok.  This thread is about done, but I have one last thing to add.

As an aid to illustrate my opinion of what makes a man worthwhile, I have made a short list of characters from movies below.  Again, this is only my opinion, but I hope it helps you to understand why I dislike Alistair.

Examples of the Human Male Phenotype:

Acceptable:
Hugh Grant's character from Notting Hill
Colin Firth's character from Love Actually
Liam Neeson's character from Love Actually
Hugh Grant's character from Love Actually
Seth Rogen's character from Funny People (borderline, but ok)
Ewan McGregor's character from Moulin Rouge (a little brooding, but acceptable)
Tom Hanks' character from Sleepless in Seattle (not a whiner)
Will Smith's character from Bad Boys (a little too much of a womanizer, but...not married)
Brendan Fraser's character from Blast from the Past
Daniel Jackson from Stargate:SG1


Unacceptable:
Alistair from Dragon Age:Origins
Billy Bob Thornton's character from Love Actually (example of the other end of the failure spectrum)
Peter from Heroes
Ron Weasley from Harry Potter
Edmund Pevensie from TCoN:The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Dane Cook's character from Good Luck Chuck
Adam Sandler's character from Funny People
Jason Schwartzman's character from Funny People
Screech from Saved By the Bell
Anakin Skywalker from any of the prequels
Cousin Eddie from Nat. Lampoon
Martin Lawrence's character from Bad Boys II (less annoying in BBI)

You're entitled to your opinion, I mean who isn't? You shared it on the forums, people disagreed or agreed with you; there's really no need to try to force your opinion on others. I mean, really? xD

[EJ42]

Iris562 wrote...

Really? This thread is actually still running?

Idk about the women who play the game, but for me I couldn't care less if Alistair whines, he's hillarious when he does it. He's my comic relief, I don't really think he was meant to be all stoic and brave and all that crap. I have Sten for that.

Maybe so, but IRL he would be your goofy friend you like to poke fun at.  You'd never look up to him, though.  I really tend to dislike Sten too, though.  Zevran won't stop hitting on me, and that's annoying.

Come to think of it, about the only male in all of Ferelden that I don't dislike is my own character.

Iris562 wrote...

You're entitled to your opinion, I mean
who isn't? You shared it on the forums, people disagreed or agreed with
you; there's really no need to try to force your opinion on others. I
mean, really? xD

I'm not asking you to agree with it.  I just don't feel that I got my point across effectively.  Whether or not anyone agrees isn't relevant to the fact that I'd like them to have an accurate impression of my opinion.

Modifié par EJ42, 13 janvier 2010 - 12:41 .

[Zeluron]

I thought he was okay, not great but okay. Uhh.. I feel that way about all the companions tbh. Struggling to think of one that I thought was great. These characters just didn't seem big enough personality wise to me.

[Bibdy]

Hugh Grant must die. All trace of his existence, wiped from the face of the earth. Any who such as utter his name shall be burnt at the stake and extinguished by the urination from the bowls of a Yak.

Modifié par Bibdy, 13 janvier 2010 - 01:10 .

[Lith Maethor]

Alistair overrated? ...well, opinions vary, but IMO, yes ...he is.

on the other hand, his only real issue is that he is a touch too whiny and generally lacks a spine (which is why i plan to harden him on this playthrough) and given his history and upbringing is entitled to his worldview (at least at the beginning... being an idealist/optimist/romantic is ok. shoving your head in the sand and saying "lalalala i can't hear you" is not) ...he is also comic relief and a (flawed) moral compass character ...that... and he fits the "knight-in-shinning-armour" stereotype (or is it prince charming?)

of course when my gf saw him during my first playthrough, her reaction was a bit like this:

"ooh... cute victim. i'm going to make a blood mage, harden him and rule ferelden behind the throne"

[Bibdy]

Lith Maethor wrote...

Alistair overrated? ...well, opinions vary, but IMO, yes ...he is.

on the other hand, his only real issue is that he is a touch too whiny and generally lacks a spine (which is why i plan to harden him on this playthrough) and given his history and upbringing is entitled to his worldview (at least at the beginning... being an idealist/optimist/romantic is ok. shoving your head in the sand and saying "lalalala i can't hear you" is not) ...he is also comic relief and a (flawed) moral compass character ...that... and he fits the "knight-in-shinning-armour" stereotype (or is it prince charming?)

of course when my gf saw him during my first playthrough, her reaction was a bit like this:

"ooh... cute victim. i'm going to make a blood mage, harden him and rule ferelden behind the throne"

Now THAT'S what I call ambition.

[Somber_Angel]

I think some of you guys are really just missing the point. Look at the remainder of Bioware's games wherein a "bro" character resides. (Read: All of them) Now compare Alistair to them. Off the top of my head, I'll provide you a couple of examples of what I mean: Carth, Atton, Sky, etc. Exactly. Alistair isn't an overly amazing character. He has solid voice acting, and he's entertaining. You may not like him, but at least he's not Carth.

[Realmjumper]

Think of it this way. Alistair is there from the start and is the friend of the player throughout the entire adventure. Everything you suffer he suffers. All the people that die or are saved. The tragedy, horrors, and more, except your origin story of course.

It's an epic tale of war, love, suffering, triumph, and glory. Alistair is not overrated at all and deserves all the praise he gets. He is definitely one of my favorite characters of all time.

A true triumph by Bioware.

[EJ42]

Realmjumper wrote...

Think of it this way. Alistair is there from the start and is the friend of the player throughout the entire adventure. Everything you suffer he suffers. All the people that die or are saved. The tragedy, horrors, and more, except your origin story of course.

It's an epic tale of war, love, suffering, triumph, and glory. Alistair is not overrated at all and deserves all the praise he gets. He is definitely one of my favorite characters of all time.

A true triumph by Bioware.

I guess Bioware just likes to design whiny male characters.  Now that I think about it, I did end up having to hit my own character over the head with a ladder to shut up HIS whining...

http://social.biowar...m/project/1662/

[Wishpig]

Put next to the likes of Kaiden and Carth; Alistar is equivalent of the vast awesome that is John Mclane!

[Monica21]

EJ42 wrote...

Ok.  This thread is about done, but I have one last thing to add.

As an aid to illustrate my opinion of what makes a man worthwhile, I have made a short list of characters from movies below.  Again, this is only my opinion, but I hope it helps you to understand why I dislike Alistair.

Examples of the Human Male Phenotype:

Acceptable:
Hugh Grant's character from Notting Hill
Colin Firth's character from Love Actually
Liam Neeson's character from Love Actually
Hugh Grant's character from Love Actually
Seth Rogen's character from Funny People (borderline, but ok)
Ewan McGregor's character from Moulin Rouge (a little brooding, but acceptable)
Tom Hanks' character from Sleepless in Seattle (not a whiner)
Will Smith's character from Bad Boys (a little too much of a womanizer, but...not married)
Brendan Fraser's character from Blast from the Past
Daniel Jackson from Stargate:SG1

Hugh Grant and almost the entire male cast of Love Actually? You're definition of a "man's man" is getting more and more odd. What about the guy who stands outside Keira Knightley's house with the notecards?

[Darth Obvious]

Q: Who is my favorite: Carth, Kaiden, or Alistair?

A: Atton

Modifié par Darth Obvious, 13 janvier 2010 - 02:31 .

[Ibian]

I replayed KOTOR as a female JUST so i could kill Carth at the very end of the game. Twice.

Modifié par Ibian, 13 janvier 2010 - 02:50 .

[Ahdia]

I tried to romance him, but ended up not wanting to finish that play through because I found him so unappealing as a romance option. heh. The fact that I was actually irritated by his character (when it was in a romance ) meant that it was written well and had depth. If it wasn't, I wouldn't have felt anything.

I didn't harden his personality, some say that makes a difference. I didn't want to choose those dialog options. Not going to do it heh

[Bibdy]

Monica21 wrote...


Hugh Grant and almost the entire male cast of Love Actually? You're definition of a "man's man" is getting more and more odd. What about the guy who stands outside Keira Knightley's house with the notecards?

That's more of a list of borderline-acceptable, while the second list is clearly over the top.

I can't even imagine Ron Weasley with hair on his chest.

Wait, why am I imagining Ron Weasley topless?

OH GOD! I CANNOT UNTHINK THIS!

Modifié par Bibdy, 13 janvier 2010 - 03:28 .

[Ahdia]

Bibdy wrote...

Monica21 wrote...


Hugh Grant and almost the entire male cast of Love Actually? You're definition of a "man's man" is getting more and more odd. What about the guy who stands outside Keira Knightley's house with the notecards?

That's more of a list of borderline-acceptable, while the second list is clearly over the top.

I can't even imagine Ron Weasley with hair on his chest.

Wait, why am I imagining Ron Weasley topless?

OH GOD! I CANNOT UNTHINK THIS!

hehe
Now I can't either. :| *twitch*

Modifié par Ahdia, 13 janvier 2010 - 03:34 .

[ZeroR3D]

EJ42 wrote...
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Examples of the Human Male Phenotype:

Credibility bypass, reason: (mis)using phenotype to sound smarter.

On-topic, Alistair adds some witty banter (I can *feel* him channel Joss Whedon) but I wish I could could pull his tunic over his head and punch him blind in the face every time he starts to cry.  An interesting creative decision to add a "sensitive" side, but it just seems incongruous with his Templar background.

Modifié par ZeroR3D, 13 janvier 2010 - 03:38 .

[Dahelia]

Bibdy wrote...

Monica21 wrote...


Hugh Grant and almost the entire male cast of Love Actually? You're definition of a "man's man" is getting more and more odd. What about the guy who stands outside Keira Knightley's house with the notecards?

That's more of a list of borderline-acceptable, while the second list is clearly over the top.

I can't even imagine Ron Weasley with hair on his chest.

Wait, why am I imagining Ron Weasley topless?

OH GOD! I CANNOT UNTHINK THIS!

Harry Potter, nude, horse...*cackles*