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[JabberJaww]

I can honestly say, as a member of this forum.. the ONE name i would have bet $1,000,000 that i would never see appear here is Hugh Grant :-/

[Dahelia]

JabberJaww wrote...

I can honestly say, as a member of this forum.. the ONE name i would have bet $1,000,000 that i would never see appear here is Hugh Grant :-/

Why not??? Hugh Grant is sooooo manly...and he's a man's man!

[JabberJaww]

Dahelia wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

I can honestly say, as a member of this forum.. the ONE name i would have bet $1,000,000 that i would never see appear here is Hugh Grant :-/

Why not??? Hugh Grant is sooooo manly...and he's a man's man!

He is? I am a man, and he is no man of mine. Idiot married to Elizabeth Hurley, and he goes running off to Devine Brown or whatever her name was. I just could have sworn nobody would have brought his name up on these forums

[Not_Gabe]

I like Alistair. I don't see why people hate this guy. He seems like the person from all walks of life will like.



I hate everyone who hates Alistair.

[EJ42]

ZeroR3D wrote...

EJ42 wrote...
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Examples of the Human Male Phenotype:

Credibility bypass, reason: (mis)using phenotype to sound smarter.

On-topic, Alistair adds some witty banter (I can *feel* him channel Joss Whedon) but I wish I could could pull his tunic over his head and punch him blind in the face every time he starts to cry.  An interesting creative decision to add a "sensitive" side, but it just seems incongruous with his Templar background.

Misusing?  No.  It includes behavior.  Nice try, though.

[EJ42]

Monica21 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Ok.  This thread is about done, but I have one last thing to add.

As an aid to illustrate my opinion of what makes a man worthwhile, I have made a short list of characters from movies below.  Again, this is only my opinion, but I hope it helps you to understand why I dislike Alistair.

Examples of the Human Male Phenotype:

Acceptable:
Hugh Grant's character from Notting Hill
Colin Firth's character from Love Actually
Liam Neeson's character from Love Actually
Hugh Grant's character from Love Actually
Seth Rogen's character from Funny People (borderline, but ok)
Ewan McGregor's character from Moulin Rouge (a little brooding, but acceptable)
Tom Hanks' character from Sleepless in Seattle (not a whiner)
Will Smith's character from Bad Boys (a little too much of a womanizer, but...not married)
Brendan Fraser's character from Blast from the Past
Daniel Jackson from Stargate:SG1

Hugh Grant and almost the entire male cast of Love Actually? You're definition of a "man's man" is getting more and more odd. What about the guy who stands outside Keira Knightley's house with the notecards?

Not the actor(s), the characters.  Do not confuse the two.

As for the guy who stands outside with the notecards, I don't know.  He doesn't really react too well to the situation.  I suppose it's about the only thing he can really do to be an honorable friend, but...ok.  I had considered adding him to the list, but I figured it would be a bit excessive.  I happen to feel that most of the male characters in that movie (except the rocker and his sidekick) were pretty good examples of how a man should act.

Bibdy wrote...

That's more of a list of borderline-acceptable, while the second list is clearly over the top.

I can't even imagine Ron Weasley with hair on his chest.

Wait, why am I imagining Ron Weasley topless?

OH GOD! I CANNOT UNTHINK THIS!

Did you actually read my post, or did you just respond blindly?  Ron Weasley is on the UNACCEPTABLE list because he's a pathetic, brooding whiner just like Alistair.  What about that list is over the top?  They're all pretty pathetic examples of men for various reasons.

JabberJaww wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

I
can honestly say, as a member of this forum.. the ONE name i would have
bet $1,000,000 that i would never see appear here is Hugh Grant
:-/

Why not??? Hugh Grant is sooooo manly...and he's a man's man!

He
is? I am a man, and he is no man of mine. Idiot married to Elizabeth
Hurley, and he goes running off to Devine Brown or whatever her name
was. I just could have sworn nobody would have brought his name up on
these forums

Both of you seem to have trouble separating reality from fiction.  It's about the characters those actors play, not the actors themselves.

Hugh Grant could be the worst person on the face of the planet, and still play an honorable character on the screen.

I suppose you think I consider the voice actor for Alistair a pathetic example of a man too?  That's surely logical... (sarcasm)

[EJ42]

Ethan009 wrote...

Well is Big Boss a "manly Man?" then? 

Who is that?

[EJ42]

Ethan009 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Ethan009 wrote...

Well is Big Boss a "manly Man?" then? 

Who is that?

>_> He claims to know about manly men in video games and doesn't know big Boss.

Metal Gear is a stupid console game.

No, though.  Big Boss doesn't sound like the kind of person anyone should like.

Modifié par EJ42, 13 janvier 2010 - 04:33 .

[Bibdy]

EJ42 wrote...


Did you actually read my post, or did you just respond blindly?  Ron Weasley is on the UNACCEPTABLE list because he's a pathetic, brooding whiner just like Alistair.  What about that list is over the top?  They're all pretty pathetic examples of men for various reasons.

Err...yeah, I did. I got it. I was explaining it to the other guy. 'over the top' being totally camp and unmanly, compared to the first list, which is borderline manly.

[EJ42]

Bibdy wrote...

EJ42 wrote...


Did you actually read my post, or did you just respond blindly?  Ron Weasley is on the UNACCEPTABLE list because he's a pathetic, brooding whiner just like Alistair.  What about that list is over the top?  They're all pretty pathetic examples of men for various reasons.

Err...yeah, I did. I got it. I was explaining it to the other guy. 'over the top' being totally camp and unmanly, compared to the first list, which is borderline manly.

Well, it wasn't intended as a "manly men" thread.  That's where you're misunderstanding me.

It isn't about being a super-macho guy.  It's about being a gentleman.  A gentleman does not whine about his situation.  He treats women properly, and is generally well-respected for how he carries himself in public.

Look at the characters I listed.  Love Actually was, IMO, a good reference because all of the male characters were faced with a situation that I feel would have made Alistair crumble.

Liam Neeson's character handled his wife's death with dignity.
Hugh Grant's character responded quite well to the situation with his love interest.
Colin Firth's character could have flipped out at his brother.  He could have attacked his wife.  He could have sat down, and cried or drank himself into a stupor.  He didn't.  He moved on, and made his life better.
WhatsHisName with the cards got a pretty raw deal, but he was a good friend...well, I don't think he should've kissed her, but whatever.

[EJ42]

Ethan009 wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Metal Gear is a stupid console game.

*rolls* And that has nothing to do with the fact that he meets all your ridculous quota for a "manly man" .

Sad just...sad.


Wait wait...Big Boss doesn't sound like someone anyone should like? 



He's an able fighter, keeps his emotions to himself, a good leader. Isn't that your requirements for a "man's man?"

Nope.  Not even close.

[ZeroR3D]

EJ42 wrote...

ZeroR3D wrote...

EJ42 wrote...
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Examples of the Human Male Phenotype:

Credibility bypass, reason: (mis)using phenotype to sound smarter.

On-topic, Alistair adds some witty banter (I can *feel* him channel Joss Whedon) but I wish I could could pull his tunic over his head and punch him blind in the face every time he starts to cry.  An interesting creative decision to add a "sensitive" side, but it just seems incongruous with his Templar background.

Misusing?  No.  It includes behavior.  Nice try, though.

sigh...  phenotype is an expression of a gene.  Can it include behaviour?  Sure, let's say that it can.  Your list is a bunch of fictional characters, not behaviours.  You still fail.

Nice try.

[Frozeal]

Leonidas from 300

[EJ42]

ZeroR3D wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

ZeroR3D wrote...

EJ42 wrote...
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Examples of the Human Male Phenotype:

Credibility bypass, reason: (mis)using phenotype to sound smarter.

On-topic, Alistair adds some witty banter (I can *feel* him channel Joss Whedon) but I wish I could could pull his tunic over his head and punch him blind in the face every time he starts to cry.  An interesting creative decision to add a "sensitive" side, but it just seems incongruous with his Templar background.

Misusing?  No.  It includes behavior.  Nice try, though.

sigh...  phenotype is an expression of a gene.  Can it include behaviour?  Sure, let's say that it can.  Your list is a bunch of fictional characters, not behaviours.  You still fail.

Nice try.

You must have missed the "acceptable" and "unacceptable" lines.  For example, and I'll try to use small words here, I could have said the following:

Brown Hair:
Guy with brown hair
Another guy with brown hair

Black Hair:
Guy with black hair
Another guy with black hair

I suppose I could have gotten more specific and much more wordy with my top heading, but I don't really care all that much about it.  Nitpick away.  It's all semantics, and you're not going to win.

[EJ42]

Frozeal wrote...

Leonidas from 300

I'll give you that.  Sure.

Now compare him to Alistair.

Alistair would have been pushed into the pit.

[ZeroR3D]

EJ42 wrote...

It isn't about being a super-macho guy.  It's about being a gentleman.  A gentleman does not whine about his situation.  He treats women properly, and is generally well-respected for how he carries himself in public.

That presumes a society with codified expectations of behaviour and male identity.  That also presumes gentlemen are gentlemen 100% of the time, and I assure you even the stodgiest of old Victorian fogeys were up to no good behind closed doors.

Look at the characters I listed.  Love Actually was, IMO, a good reference because all of the male characters were faced with a situation that I feel would have made Alistair crumble.

And how well would any of said fictional characters from sappy britcom fare in a medieval setting being pursued by a supernatural legion of terror?  I'm still trying to wrap my mind around using Love Actually as yardstick for writing NPCs.

[ZeroR3D]

Edit: double post (no delete post wth?)

Modifié par ZeroR3D, 13 janvier 2010 - 05:09 .

[Skellimancer]

He is a wet blanket.

[Frozeal]

EJ42 wrote...

Frozeal wrote...

Leonidas from 300

I'll give you that.  Sure.

Now compare him to Alistair.

Alistair would have been pushed into the pit.

Leonidas would have killed the Archdemon soloing without breastplate and then drank all the ****ing blood of the dragon

[ZeroR3D]

EJ42 wrote...

You must have missed the "acceptable" and "unacceptable" lines.  For example, and I'll try to use small words here, I could have said the following: *snip*

My feelings are sooo hurt that you snuck in that passive aggressive jab.  The mark of a true gentleman indeed.

I suppose I could have gotten more specific and much more wordy with my top heading, but I don't really care all that much about it.  Nitpick away.  It's all semantics, and you're not going to win.

With your great expertise on what defines a true man, I'm surprised no one ever taught you to say what you mean and mean what you say.  I'm really not looking to win anything, just pointing out the fact that you use words you don't understand.  A far better choice would have been archetype.

Modifié par ZeroR3D, 13 janvier 2010 - 05:08 .