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[SarEnyaDor]

Wow, did you even play the same game as the rest of us? He values family, he wants family, he is searching for a place to belong - I think if his wife got pregnant he would do whatever it took to make her happy.

[brownstudies]

JabberJaww wrote...

Ok girls, compare Alistair to a male movie star or character... would he be like the Brad Pitt of the video game world?

As in "pretty.... vacant?" No. Something a bit more complex. I suspect that's why girls like him, there's actually something far more interesting to him than a big sword and a sexy grin.

[EJ42]

Llane Lightbringer wrote...

*SPOILER*

He starts of as a whiny guy, but when he takes the speech in front of the crowd just before the final battle you can't help but feel proud of him.

Don't remember a character in a video game accomplishing that for quite a while. Thumbs up to Bioware.

I agree with that.

At the end, I couldn't help but have a semi-proud feeling of "My boy has finally grown up!"  It's like I was a father-figure to him, and he finally stopped being a failure. 

Still...all the way up to that point, I hated him.  As old as he's supposed to be (I considered that we were about the same age in the game), he should have been the mentor to me if not at least a peer.  Look at the life of a mage.  I was taken from my parents, and forced to grow up in a prison.  Jowan decided to react to magehood the way Alistair reacted to his situation in the Chantry.  I hated both of them equally.

[Dahelia]

JabberJaww wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

Ok girls, compare Alistair to a male movie star or character... would he be like the Brad Pitt of the video game world?

Nah....a mix of Stuart Townsend...Jason Behr when he played Max on Roswell..and Brendon Fehr when he was Michael on Roswell...^^ Mmm...dreamy like Stuart Townsend ^^ XDXD

Jesus, Roswell?? Havent thought of that show in a long time

Atleast someone knows what I am talking about....XDXD I loved Roswell, hated what they did towards the end...but I loved it.

[DukeOfNukes]

Alistair and Morrigan both need to be smacked around. Alistair starts off good, but once you get to Lothering, it's all downhill...he doesn't stop WHINING. Morrigan just starts out annoying...you can't do anything even remotely nice or she immediately sets in with "why are we wasting our efforts on these people, you slab of donkey defecation?"



For comparison, I was never one to complain about Carth or Kaidan...quite frankly, I understood where they were coming from. But they moved on and tried to be better...Alistair NEVER STOPS complaining.

[JabberJaww]

Aeris Blight wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

Ok girls, compare Alistair to a male movie star or character... would he be like the Brad Pitt of the video game world?

*thinks* Hm, I dunno. The thing that makes Alistair so special must be his: Oh noes a girl, how to act? I am shy but gentle and I have good looks? 

something like that 8D

So he is kind of like Leonardo DeCaprio in Whats Eating Gilbert Grape?

[Dahelia]

EJ42 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

I'm a female and I love Morrigan and Leliana....I find them to be very attractive and funny. Oh...and there is no man that is a man's man...when I think of a man's man...I think of the over muscular idiots....who lift weights. I'd never date something like that.

That's not a man's man.  Being a woman, you just can't understand.

It's about how you carry yourself.  Alistair wants to be carried.

The "damsel in distress" is often an appealing role (to men) for a woman to play.  It's never an appealing role (to men) for a man to play.  I'm not saying that's the situation in the game, but it's just a fact of the way we're designed.

Men are supposed to be able to take care of themselves.  Women are supposed to deserve the right to be taken care of, but women who can also take care of themselves have an added bonus to their appeal.  Mr. Mom types are not respected.  It's just something we are biologically wired to disapprove of.

Men are supposed to be perceived as someone who is capable of protecting the family while his wife is safe at home, about ready to give birth.  (Not that the woman should always be pregnant, but it is expected that the situation will eventually occur.  A man who cannot take care of his pregnant wife is no man at all.)

Alistair just seems more like the type who would beg his woman to have an abortion if he found out she got pregnant.

I don't believe Alistair would believe in abortion actually....I believe he would be ready to have children and love them the way he never really was loved for most of his life.

[JabberJaww]

Dahelia wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

Ok girls, compare Alistair to a male movie star or character... would he be like the Brad Pitt of the video game world?

Nah....a mix of Stuart Townsend...Jason Behr when he played Max on Roswell..and Brendon Fehr when he was Michael on Roswell...^^ Mmm...dreamy like Stuart Townsend ^^ XDXD

Jesus, Roswell?? Havent thought of that show in a long time

Atleast someone knows what I am talking about....XDXD I loved Roswell, hated what they did towards the end...but I loved it.

Roswell was great.. loved that show

[Bullets McDeath]

Alistair is like Michael Cera from Superbad.

[Dahelia]

JabberJaww wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

Ok girls, compare Alistair to a male movie star or character... would he be like the Brad Pitt of the video game world?

Nah....a mix of Stuart Townsend...Jason Behr when he played Max on Roswell..and Brendon Fehr when he was Michael on Roswell...^^ Mmm...dreamy like Stuart Townsend ^^ XDXD

Jesus, Roswell?? Havent thought of that show in a long time

Atleast someone knows what I am talking about....XDXD I loved Roswell, hated what they did towards the end...but I loved it.

Roswell was great.. loved that show

Yeah! It was...but think about it..Michael was a lost boy...that is Alistair....and Max was whiny and didn't want to take up his old life as king...hated the idea of being king...and Stuart Townsend when he played Lestat.......

[EJ42]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Wow, did you even play the same game as the rest of us? He values family, he wants family, he is searching for a place to belong - I think if his wife got pregnant he would do whatever it took to make her happy.

Again.  You're a woman.  You don't have the right perspective.

I never saw Alistair in love with anyone.  I only saw him interact poorly with Leliana and Morrigan.  Neither of them seemed to care for him at all.  He was just as annoying to them as he was to me.

Since I never saw him liked by anyone in the game, I never really had a chance to see him in a good light.

[SarEnyaDor]

I don't know - these man's man types ... aren't they actually the type more likely to lead a bunch of different girls on and then love them and leave them, and not care/claim any offspring they may have sowed along the way?

[Dahelia]

iRipper wrote...

Thing is, women sometimes (well actually a lot of times) forget that, shyness and good looks quickly wears off. What then? You're left with a ****y bastard who can't do anything without help.

He  takes charge later on...he rather follow but he will lead if he has to..

[Dahelia]

EJ42 wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Wow, did you even play the same game as the rest of us? He values family, he wants family, he is searching for a place to belong - I think if his wife got pregnant he would do whatever it took to make her happy.

Again.  You're a woman.  You don't have the right perspective.

I never saw Alistair in love with anyone.  I only saw him interact poorly with Leliana and Morrigan.  Neither of them seemed to care for him at all.  He was just as annoying to them as he was to me.

Since I never saw him liked by anyone in the game, I never really had a chance to see him in a good light.

Oh so because we are women we don't understand. Well, you are a man, you don't understand it either.

[brownstudies]

EJ42 wrote...

Alistair just seems more like the type who would beg his woman to have an abortion if he found out she got pregnant.

Were you absent in spirit or something when you played the circle tower? Alistair wants nothing more than to have a family, that's what his whole fade nightmare was about!

[Bullets McDeath]

iRipper wrote...

Thing is, women sometimes (well actually a lot of times) forget that, shyness and good looks quickly wears off. What then? You're left with a ****y bastard who can't do anything without help.

I tend to agree. But I salute his fangirls in a way... in the real world, guys like Alistair need all the help they can get.  Well, assuming they are not also princes themselves. Those guys don't need any help at all. Look at that ugly bastard Prince Harry! I digress... I was gonna say, if they make a DLC about hunting down Morrigan and resolving your relationship with her, they should totally make a DLC for girls who married Alistair where he's fat and unemployed and has a drinking problem, but is still so adorably whiny and incapable of taking a single action without written instructions and your explicit spoken permission.  

Modifié par outlaworacle, 12 janvier 2010 - 07:51 .

[EJ42]

Obtusifolius wrote...

EJ42 wrote...


Men are supposed to be able to take care of themselves.  Women are supposed to deserve the right to be taken care of, but women who can also take care of themselves have an added bonus to their appeal.  Mr. Mom types are not respected.  It's just something we are biologically wired to disapprove of.

Men are supposed to be perceived as someone who is capable of protecting the family while his wife is safe at home, about ready to give birth.  (Not that the woman should always be pregnant, but it is expected that the situation will eventually occur.  A man who cannot take care of his pregnant wife is no man at all.)

Supposed to, supposed to. This is all outdated nonsense you are talking. Men are not 'supposed' to do anything. Your repeated use of the term 'man's man' is problematic, since the men of who you are speaking - the men who 'respect' a man's man - are men like yourself, I imagine; however, and sticking with your definition, since a different type of man will respect the type of man Alistair is, that makes him also a man's man.

The problem with the term is that it assumes that one way of being a man is more valid than another. It isn't.

So you're a feminist then?  You should have warned me up front that it's a waste of time to talk to you.

[cinderburster]

I'm not an Alistair fangirl, but I do like him. He may not be the strong silent type, and he may whine a bit, but that doesn't make him weak. He stands up for what he believes is right and just, and he doesn't shy away from responsibility. His sarcasm and self-awareness make him a well-rounded character, instead of being a cookie-cutter fantasy warrior. I, for one, get very tired of the strongman trope.



... of course, he's not my all time favorite, and I can certainly understand why people might not like him. Like him or hate him, though, he's a useful party member to have if you're not playing the tank yourself.

[Herr Uhl]

I would say that Teagan and Cullen are more overrated, but do carry on this discussion.

[EJ42]

Maviarab wrote...

Pain and loss....nothing unusual, we all have, just some deal with it better than others, makes them no less of a man or a whiner if they dont handle a situation as well as you did mr big tough guy...

See my point, and as Dahelia pointed out, we all know what a mans man really means (we are men)...and its a seriosu turn off for any woman once she has matured past being 15 and impressed with cars and smoking (no offence ladies but sure you understand me).

And sometimes without you realising it, life can drag you alaong by the balls, and it really is everyone else's fault. why the character is so well written, its real, we can empathise, we have been there.

Just because you dont like it does not matter. I'd rather have Ali watching my back any day over any perceived image of a man you potray. He is loyal, a true friend, and one who would not leave you in a ditch for his gains or selfishness or cowardice, which most men would do.

As for the respect (see you never replied, wonder why?) he has never been given the opportunity really to stick up for his principles until the landsmeet, and at that point the repect was huge. He finally snapped and said enough was enough, kudos to the guy.

Anyone who will sacrifice everything for his beliefs and principles is to be respected. Whether or not they are right or should do, is another matter entirely, but deffinatly a person to be respected.

To you he whiney, to most of us he just had a real **** life...suck it up, were not all as tough as you.

You just don't get it.  My character's life sucked too, but I chose to sublimate those feelings without bothering other people with my problems.

Women like to talk about their problems.  That's why a good husband needs to be a good listener.  There is nothing about a good husband that says he needs to be a good talker.

I would give my life to protect the ones I care for.  I just don't burden them with my problems.  I have the ability to cry, but I also have the ability to suppress the outward expression of my emotions when I realize that they may serve only to harm those around me.  If my wife was scared, I would not show fear.  That would be of no comfort to her.  No matter how afraid I am, I need to show strength to reassure my children that everything is going to be ok, even though I know that it may not be.

I have no evidence that Alistair could accomplish any of that.