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[owl208]

Obtusifolius wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

So you're a feminist then? You should have warned me up front that it's a waste of time to talk to you.

In answer to your question, yes I have had an education :innocent:

You are soooo very very bad.

[EJ42]

Obtusifolius wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

So you're a feminist then? You should have warned me up front that it's a waste of time to talk to you.

In answer to your question, yes I have had an education :innocent:

An education does not make a woman a feminist.

An intelligent woman is decent enough to accept a man holding the door for her as the sign of respect it is intended as.

A feminist flips out over him degrading her by acting as though she is somehow too weak to open the door for herself.

Chivalry may very well be dead.  If it is, it's because feminists killed it.

[SarEnyaDor]

Okay- listen to me then - I am NOT a feminist (they won't have me because I keep staying at home and breeding with my husband LOL) You may not like him, but some of the things you are claiming just goes against everything portrayed in the game about him. My husband thinks he is great, a good best friend type, someone who you don't have to be afraid to be yourself with or put on a show. But FAMILY is what Alistair is all about, and his lack of identity and need for acceptance is what has driven him thus far.

[Dahelia]

iRipper wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

iRipper wrote...

Thing is, women sometimes (well actually a lot of times) forget that, shyness and good looks quickly wears off. What then? You're left with a ****y bastard who can't do anything without help.

He  takes charge later on...he rather follow but he will lead if he has to..

Okay, how about leading from the start? I'm a freakin elf mage, taken from the tower (where I served the Circle well) against my will. I have no obligations to Duncan or Grey Wardens or anything. Duncan however was a mentor to Alistair, plus he's human, so he will be recieved better than me. 

Anyway, I hate that game developers didn't add a choice to leave Alistair right after Flemeth's hut or Lothering. <_<

You are the main character...YOU take charge...by the great Andraste....if he took charge there would be no need for you. He does take charge when he feels the need to...it is better for you to lead...if you had no obligation to Duncan or the Grey Wardens, you shouldn't of joined....

[DukeOfNukes]

EJ, you're a ******.



Nobody is "biologically wired" to believe that men are more capable than women...that's ENTIRELY social. If you were talking about upper body strength...yes, men NATURALLY have more upper body strength.



Women are just as capable of taking care of a family as a man...it's just that our society hasn't rebuilt itself in such a way that it's as acceptable. Feminism has failed us because while they redefined what a WOMAN could be, they failed to define what a MAN is supposed to be.

[Dahelia]

Maviarab wrote...

It's about how you carry yourself.  Alistair wants to be carried.

The "damsel in distress" is often an appealing role (to men) for a woman to play.  It's never an appealing role (to men) for a man to play.  I'm not saying that's the situation in the game, but it's just a fact of the way we're designed.

Men are supposed to be able to take care of themselves.  Women are supposed to deserve the right to be taken care of, but women who can also take care of themselves have an added bonus to their appeal.  Mr. Mom types are not respected.  It's just something we are biologically wired to disapprove of.

Men are supposed to be perceived as someone who is capable of protecting the family while his wife is safe at home, about ready to give birth.  (Not that the woman should always be pregnant, but it is expected that the situation will eventually occur.  A man who cannot take care of his pregnant wife is no man at all.)

Alistair just seems more like the type who would beg his woman to have an abortion if he found out she got pregnant.

And that my friend is the reason why most men get a seriously bad rep from alot of woemn, your attitude is all wrong....very very wrong...

Makes you sick right???

[EJ42]

Maviarab wrote...

It's about how you carry yourself.  Alistair wants to be carried.

The "damsel in distress" is often an appealing role (to men) for a woman to play.  It's never an appealing role (to men) for a man to play.  I'm not saying that's the situation in the game, but it's just a fact of the way we're designed.

Men are supposed to be able to take care of themselves.  Women are supposed to deserve the right to be taken care of, but women who can also take care of themselves have an added bonus to their appeal.  Mr. Mom types are not respected.  It's just something we are biologically wired to disapprove of.

Men are supposed to be perceived as someone who is capable of protecting the family while his wife is safe at home, about ready to give birth.  (Not that the woman should always be pregnant, but it is expected that the situation will eventually occur.  A man who cannot take care of his pregnant wife is no man at all.)

Alistair just seems more like the type who would beg his woman to have an abortion if he found out she got pregnant.

And that my friend is the reason why most men get a seriously bad rep from alot of woemn, your attitude is all wrong....very very wrong...

I just noticed that you're British.  You and I will most likely never agree on this point.  That's why we left.  It's a complete cultural disconnect.  We should just agree to not discuss the matter.

[Bullets McDeath]

I wonder if the guy's who hate Alistair would have liked him more if he had a bit more Sten him, that is to say, instead of deferring to you for judgement (and then kvetching if he doesn't like it) he actually just stated his opinions head-on and actually tried to lead the "team" how he wanted? In other words, if you butted heads with Alistair more, would that fix the problems you have with the character?

[cmathews03]

EJ42 wrote...

Chivalry may very well be dead.  If it is, it's because feminists killed it.

I can't believe I agree with EJ42. This never happens. =P

[Dahelia]

EJ42 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

It's about how you carry yourself.  Alistair wants to be carried.

The "damsel in distress" is often an appealing role (to men) for a woman to play.  It's never an appealing role (to men) for a man to play.  I'm not saying that's the situation in the game, but it's just a fact of the way we're designed.

Men are supposed to be able to take care of themselves.  Women are supposed to deserve the right to be taken care of, but women who can also take care of themselves have an added bonus to their appeal.  Mr. Mom types are not respected.  It's just something we are biologically wired to disapprove of.

Men are supposed to be perceived as someone who is capable of protecting the family while his wife is safe at home, about ready to give birth.  (Not that the woman should always be pregnant, but it is expected that the situation will eventually occur.  A man who cannot take care of his pregnant wife is no man at all.)

Alistair just seems more like the type who would beg his woman to have an abortion if he found out she got pregnant.

And that my friend is the reason why most men get a seriously bad rep from alot of woemn, your attitude is all wrong....very very wrong...

I just noticed that you're British.  You and I will most likely never agree on this point.  That's why we left.  It's a complete cultural disconnect.  We should just agree to not discuss the matter.

I'm sorry...I have to do this

[Kleon]

Alistair is cute and adorable puppy.

[brownstudies]

EJ42 wrote...

Men are supposed to be perceived as someone who is capable of protecting the family while his wife is safe at home, about ready to give birth.  (Not that the woman should always be pregnant, but it is expected that the situation will eventually occur.  A man who cannot take care of his pregnant wife is no man at all.)

I don't think you're putting this into perspective. The average man's (ie. you) idea of protecting family is
to make money and put food on the table. Alistair is the default tank, he wields a sword, he's a badass. His idea of protecting someone is to sink a blade into the side of anything that looks at him funny. 

I dunno, I just don't see your point. If a "man's man" is supposed to protect, then why isn't Alistair a man's man? Because he shows an emotional side in between the bits where he's killing things to save your ass?

Modifié par brownstudies, 12 janvier 2010 - 08:01 .

[EJ42]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

EJ, you're a ******.

Nobody is "biologically wired" to believe that men are more capable than women...that's ENTIRELY social. If you were talking about upper body strength...yes, men NATURALLY have more upper body strength.

Women are just as capable of taking care of a family as a man...it's just that our society hasn't rebuilt itself in such a way that it's as acceptable. Feminism has failed us because while they redefined what a WOMAN could be, they failed to define what a MAN is supposed to be.

That's exactly what's wrong with you.  You just make up, in your own head, what you think I'm saying.  You just don't get it.

A woman, who is in very late term pregnancy is in a VERY weakened state.  That does not mean that women are, by nature, weak.  A pregnant woman is not going to be able to fight off a pack of angry wolves, even though she might be able to under other circumstances.  That's the point of a man.  The woman carries the baby to term, provides nourishment for it until it can eat solid food, and provides for its other needs.  The man's job is to do whatever else is necessary to facilitate her ability to do these things.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by the nature of our luxurious society, but try being stranded on an undeveloped island, and see if your view of nature changes.

[Herr Uhl]

EJ42 wrote...
I just noticed that you're British.  You and I will most likely never agree on this point.  That's why we left.  It's a complete cultural disconnect.  We should just agree to not discuss the matter.

*facepalm*

Stop trying to make this guy see reason.

[cinderburster]

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

It's about how you carry yourself.  Alistair wants to be carried.

The "damsel in distress" is often an appealing role (to men) for a woman to play.  It's never an appealing role (to men) for a man to play.  I'm not saying that's the situation in the game, but it's just a fact of the way we're designed.

Men are supposed to be able to take care of themselves.  Women are supposed to deserve the right to be taken care of, but women who can also take care of themselves have an added bonus to their appeal.  Mr. Mom types are not respected.  It's just something we are biologically wired to disapprove of.

Men are supposed to be perceived as someone who is capable of protecting the family while his wife is safe at home, about ready to give birth.  (Not that the woman should always be pregnant, but it is expected that the situation will eventually occur.  A man who cannot take care of his pregnant wife is no man at all.)

Alistair just seems more like the type who would beg his woman to have an abortion if he found out she got pregnant.

And that my friend is the reason why most men get a seriously bad rep from alot of woemn, your attitude is all wrong....very very wrong...

I just noticed that you're British.  You and I will most likely never agree on this point.  That's why we left.  It's a complete cultural disconnect.  We should just agree to not discuss the matter.

I'm sorry...I have to do this

I think I love you a little bit.  Is that too much, considering that we've never met?

To contribute to the conversation at hand: is anyone else beginning to smell a troll?  Pardon me while I find something pleasant-smelling to pin under my nose.

[Dahelia]

EJ42 wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

EJ, you're a ******.

Nobody is "biologically wired" to believe that men are more capable than women...that's ENTIRELY social. If you were talking about upper body strength...yes, men NATURALLY have more upper body strength.

Women are just as capable of taking care of a family as a man...it's just that our society hasn't rebuilt itself in such a way that it's as acceptable. Feminism has failed us because while they redefined what a WOMAN could be, they failed to define what a MAN is supposed to be.

That's exactly what's wrong with you.  You just make up, in your own head, what you think I'm saying.  You just don't get it.

A woman, who is in very late term pregnancy is in a VERY weakened state.  That does not mean that women are, by nature, weak.  A pregnant woman is not going to be able to fight off a pack of angry wolves, even though she might be able to under other circumstances.  That's the point of a man.  The woman carries the baby to term, provides nourishment for it until it can eat solid food, and provides for its other needs.  The man's job is to do whatever else is necessary to facilitate her ability to do these things.

I'm sorry you are so blinded by the nature of our luxurious society, but try being stranded on an undeveloped island, and see if your view of nature changes.

Go watch on DHC (Discovery Health) I Survived that Pregnant?! or I'm Pregnant and....

[Vicious]

I found the original thread to be kind of odd, with the Femmes telling about how their real bf's/whatever paled in comparison to a fictional character, and how they broke up with them for that reason.



very strange reading. I'll never click that thread again.

[JabberJaww]

Who would win in a fight... Carth or Alistair?

[EJ42]

Dahelia wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

It's about how you carry yourself.  Alistair wants to be carried.

The "damsel in distress" is often an appealing role (to men) for a woman to play.  It's never an appealing role (to men) for a man to play.  I'm not saying that's the situation in the game, but it's just a fact of the way we're designed.

Men are supposed to be able to take care of themselves.  Women are supposed to deserve the right to be taken care of, but women who can also take care of themselves have an added bonus to their appeal.  Mr. Mom types are not respected.  It's just something we are biologically wired to disapprove of.

Men are supposed to be perceived as someone who is capable of protecting the family while his wife is safe at home, about ready to give birth.  (Not that the woman should always be pregnant, but it is expected that the situation will eventually occur.  A man who cannot take care of his pregnant wife is no man at all.)

Alistair just seems more like the type who would beg his woman to have an abortion if he found out she got pregnant.

And that my friend is the reason why most men get a seriously bad rep from alot of woemn, your attitude is all wrong....very very wrong...

I just noticed that you're British.  You and I will most likely never agree on this point.  That's why we left.  It's a complete cultural disconnect.  We should just agree to not discuss the matter.

I'm sorry...I have to do this

It's true, and there is nothing really wrong with it.  British people have just grown up in a nanny state where their opinions on the roles people should play in life are very different from people in the rest of the world.

If you're a liberal anti-gun fanatic, then it's pointless for you to have a discussion with a lifetime NRA member.  You're just wasting each other's time.

You're not going to change each other's minds, and you're never going to understand the other's point of view.

You can live in your idealistic world where women and men are equal in all respects, but until you can implant a womb in a man, that will never be the case.