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[Saiyan1126]

After replaying Thessia and Horizon again to fix Miranda's romance, I've hit the Echo Shard conversation with Javik again. Originally, my stance on the matter was to "let old ghosts rest". Revisiting the past would bring pain to Javik, so I figured it'd be best to just move forward. By revisiting the campaign to interact with the old squadmates, I can't help but feel like I'm using my Echo Shard. Even though I hate the endings, I'm revisiting this because I want more time with these characters. This time around I've decided to let Javik use the Echo Shard. Even though the result is grim, I think he deserves to remember his loved ones.

What about you? Do you still feel the same about the Echo Shard? Or has you opinion changed (either for or against)?

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Javik is too awesome to let him die...he deserves blue babies with Liara

[Len Lfc]

I understand about not wanting to remember the pain, but me personally I like to live with revisiting old pain, as I always remember the joys of life over the pains. I take it as it is, but remember the joys more. It's hard to explain, but all I'm saying is I'm prepared to remember the pain if it means I get to relive the happy times also.

[nrobbiec]

I always let him use it. He deserves to be at peace with his past and not just running on blind rage, if that means he'll kill himself after the Reapers are destroyed then...

[Han Shot First]

I always have Javik interact with the Echo Shard.

It generates some of his best dialogue. Seriously, that story about his own crew being indoctrinated and sent against him, until he finally manages to kill them one by one....wow. I also think the line that follows is one of the best of the series. "It was the day I understood. War is atrocity committed in the name of survival. It is a lesson I wish I had never learned."

That story and line is too good to have Javik skip interacting with the Echo Shard. That, and I think going to their graves to take his own life when the war is done is a fitting end for him. He is the last of his species and his mission was fulfilled.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 mars 2013 - 11:12 .

[Saiyan1126]

I think the hardest part with that decision is learning the results of it. When he tells me the full story, I feel like **** for making him use it. Especially when ignoring it lets him grow content with this cycle and wants to experience peace. It's interesting how either way he is still relatively happy and it makes sense. Gotta give kudos to whoever wrote that scene. Javik went from a tool to a complex character in my book.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

I think the hardest part with that decision is learning the results of it. When he tells me the full story, I feel like **** for making him use it. Especially when ignoring it lets him grow content with this cycle and wants to experience peace. It's interesting how either way he is still relatively happy and it makes sense. Gotta give kudos to whoever wrote that scene. Javik went from a tool to a complex character in my book.

Tool?You call Javik a tool?Out the airlock now!

[o Ventus]

No. I always have him interact with it.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Arcian wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Javik is too awesome to let him die...he deserves blue babies with Liara

Javik would never sully his hands on that profligate wh*re.

nah.www.youtube.com/watch

[simonrana]

Han Shot First wrote...

I always have Javik interact with the Echo Shard.

It generates some of his best dialogue. Seriously, that story about his own crew being indoctrinated and sent against him, until he finally manages to kill them one by one....wow. I also think the line that follows is one of the best of the series. "It was the day I understood. War is atrocity committed in the name of survival. It is a lesson I wish I had never learned."

That story and line is too good to have Javik skip interacting with the Echo Shard. That, and I think going to their graves to take his own life when the war is done is a fitting end for him. He is the last of his species and his mission was fulfilled.

+1. From a metagaming perspective I do feel conflicted that I'm kind of "sending him to his death", but that scene is just too epic to pass up.

[Ieldra]

It is most fitting for my main Shepard to make Javik use the Echo Shard. He isn't particularly sentimental and makes some hard decisions, but he'd never want to forget anything, neither the good nor the bad, and he's honest with Javik. Also, I agree that the conversation resulting from making him use it has some of his best lines.

Making him use the echo shard is also important for my headcanon, since after Javik gives Shepard the echo shard at the FOB, he stores his personality in it so he can be brought back from death after Synthesis using his DNA and the echo shard.

[Jadebaby]

I did on my first playthrough, not on the other two.. Damn that's so sad I've only played it 3 times... So depressing..

[Saiyan1126]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Saiyan1126 wrote...

I think the hardest part with that decision is learning the results of it. When he tells me the full story, I feel like **** for making him use it. Especially when ignoring it lets him grow content with this cycle and wants to experience peace. It's interesting how either way he is still relatively happy and it makes sense. Gotta give kudos to whoever wrote that scene. Javik went from a tool to a complex character in my book.

Tool?You call Javik a tool?Out the airlock now!

He wouldn't shake my hand and then he threatened Legion. He was lucky I didn't punch him in the gut.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Saiyan1126 wrote...

I think the hardest part with that decision is learning the results of it. When he tells me the full story, I feel like **** for making him use it. Especially when ignoring it lets him grow content with this cycle and wants to experience peace. It's interesting how either way he is still relatively happy and it makes sense. Gotta give kudos to whoever wrote that scene. Javik went from a tool to a complex character in my book.

Tool?You call Javik a tool?Out the airlock now!

He wouldn't shake my hand and then he threatened Legion. He was lucky I didn't punch him in the gut.

I dont know what you're saying he shakes my hand on earth

[Saiyan1126]

Jadebaby wrote...

I did on my first playthrough, not on the other two.. Damn that's so sad I've only played it 3 times... So depressing..

I know... I finally completed my second when Omega came out. I think I played ME2 10 times.

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

I dont know what you're saying he shakes my hand on earth

I know, I'm talking about my opinion of Javik before the Echo Shard conversation (which was before Earth).

Modifié par Saiyan1126, 05 mars 2013 - 12:04 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

I did on my first playthrough, not on the other two.. Damn that's so sad I've only played it 3 times... So depressing..

I know... I finally completed my second when Omega came out. I think I played ME2 10 times.

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

I dont know what you're saying he shakes my hand on earth

I know, I'm talking about my opinion of Javik before the Echo Shard conversation (which was before Earth).

i don't care.I only want more Javik in tha dlc

[Aurora313]

The echoshard is one of the few decisions ingame I hesistate to perform. One because I like Javik and the fact he contiously calls out Liara's attitude alot, (specially after Thessia.) something which my Shepard did during ME1 but was barred from doing in the rest of the trilogy and forced to be a friend of hers.
 
As part of my own established lore for my John Shepard, he actively pursued options to forget/erase his criminal past before joining the Alliance. He literally has nothing else aside from his life as a marine and wants nothing else. He enjoys it. So this Shepard forcing Javik to watch his own memories feels like a hypocritical 'Kick the dog' moment. Hell, my John Shepard is envious in a morbid way that Javik managed to rid himself of those memories so easily.

My Katelyn however, whom is a colonist, longs for her past despite knowing how incredibly painful it was to watch her family and friends die on Mindoir. She coverts her past, so it's kind of a toss up for her.

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 mars 2013 - 12:16 .

[sravenblood]

I am of two minds on this, but the overriding one is whichever one fits with my Shepard at the time.
My first playthrough I had him use it, feeling that you should never forget your pain or your joy. Every other playthrough, I have him not use it.