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[Impius]

The AIU doesn't qualify you for playing the higher qualities, dear spettro, it is the damageoutput what qualifies you for higher difficulties and ur teamabilities and the map-/enemeyoversight

[N7 Banshee Bait]

Hausner85 wrote...
This post i dedicated to those that think we are trying to destroy your game. We are not. In fact we are trying to save it even while you can’t see it. 

Really? Then let's talk about the Krysae Sniper Rifle.  I LOVED this weapon. I used it all the time. Then the nerfers came along & tried to "save my game". Now I NEVER use the Krysae. It's a worthless piece of crap now.

So thank you, all you stupid ****ing nerfers!  You saved my game!  I don't know how I could survive without you. You took one of my favorite guns & saved it so I never even look at it anymore. Nice job!

I didn't want your ****ing help!  I didn't need your ****ing help! And I wish you would get lost. Go drown or play in the middle of freeway traffic or something. Just get the hell out of here. Friggin douchebags!

Modifié par N7 Shadow SR2, 07 mars 2013 - 02:08 .

[billy the squid]

Chealec wrote...

Moofy76 wrote...

No it's not, imo the warlord and juggernaut are stronger. AIU requires you to be pretty good and aggressive with the skill and play well. It just has a self res mechanic which requires the ability to be on use and grenade count on you.

...

I'm guessing you've not noticed the shields regenerating whilst cloaked, the insane speed boost or the potential damage reduction compariable to Tech Armour then? ALL of which are more beneficial than an "oopsie - I fell down, I get back up again" mode.

The Warlord is probably the kit that requires the most "skill" to use from all the new ones - I've seen so very, very many just die over and over again (or get synch-killed every other round) - yes, it's got HUGE damage output potential but it's not the easiest kit to use, especially risky on Platinum - it is the new high risk, high reward kit IMO.

The Juggy is the exact opposite - low risk, low reward. Massive health, low damage output.

The AIU really is low risk, high reward - fast, regenerates shields whilst cloaked, massive damage bonus to weapons (even more if they're shotguns) AND one of the best debuff powers in the game... only things she's lacking is crowd control against shielded mobs.

Apart from the flips and speed I find her kinda boring - least used kit from the DLC so far.

This.

I love using the Juggernaut, it doesn't matter that I don't score too high sometimes. While on Platinum he's a godsend, when well played, for locking down a choke point and letting your team dmg dealers mash the bunched up bosses.

Warlord is so much fun to play, and yes he gets sync killed, but I equip with a shotgun and staggering a phantom, so she can't hit you, stripping bashee barriers to reduce chance of sync kills becomes far easier. Although this is on Gold, not platinum. Platinum I would imagine is tougher. I see a lot of calls for a Krolord buff or sync kill immunity. I have the suspicion that a lot of people are simply getting hammer happy and forgetting how to play properly.

The AIU, yeah, I don't like it. It's got a ridiculous combination of  powers. If it just had snap freeze and tac cloak, it would be an awesome kit and powerful, with high risk high reward. But with the repair matrix and the gear available to buff the class, it pushes the kit into silly territory.

In many respects it's worse than the TGI, the stim packs were powerful, but Repair Matrix... DR, shield recharge, revive? wow. TGI only started to become OP when you put a Harrier and the like on it, due to the innate poor standard of ARs, or a shotgun  like the Claymore, combining it with the stims.

[xtorma]

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...
This post i dedicated to those that think we are trying to destroy your game. We are not. In fact we are trying to save it even while you can’t see it. 

Really? Then let's talk about the Krysae Sniper Rifle.  I LOVED this weapon. I used it all the time. Then the nerfers came along & tried to "save my game". Now I NEVER use the Krysae. It's a worthless piece of crap now.

So thank you, all you stupid ****in nerfers!  You saved my game!  I don't know how I could survive without you. You took one of my favorite guns & saved it so I never even look at it anymore. Nice job!

I didn't want your ****ing help!  I didn't need your ****ing help! And I wish you would get lost. Go drown or play in the middle of the freeway or something. Just get the hell out of here. Friggin douchebags!

Don't hold back brother.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

xtorma wrote...

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...
This post i dedicated to those that think we are trying to destroy your game. We are not. In fact we are trying to save it even while you can’t see it. 

Really? Then let's talk about the Krysae Sniper Rifle.  I LOVED this weapon. I used it all the time. Then the nerfers came along & tried to "save my game". Now I NEVER use the Krysae. It's a worthless piece of crap now.

So thank you, all you stupid ****in nerfers!  You saved my game!  I don't know how I could survive without you. You took one of my favorite guns & saved it so I never even look at it anymore. Nice job!

I didn't want your ****ing help!  I didn't need your ****ing help! And I wish you would get lost. Go drown or play in the middle of the freeway or something. Just get the hell out of here. Friggin douchebags!

Don't hold back brother.

You have no idea how much I despise the friggin nerfers.  They're like Mass Effect multiplayer's cancer or a really nasty STD.  Toilet scum that you just can't get rid of.

pfft......."save the game".  Biggest load of crap I've seen on this forum so far.

Modifié par N7 Shadow SR2, 07 mars 2013 - 02:12 .

[Happy Shepard]

Moofy76 wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...
AIU is OP. Too strong, too powerful, no drawbacks or whatever you want to call it. BioWare will now nerf her. Deal with it.
These arguments about "but a less skilled player..." or "you know i can topscore with the Shuriken" are pointless and should be eaten. 
The end.

No it's not, imo the warlord and juggernaut are stronger. AIU requires you to be pretty good and aggressive with the skill and play well. It just has a self res mechanic which requires the ability to be on use and grenade count on you. It's not like you have nukes on your arms. The only thing that could be balanced is maybe run speed or something, but you know what, then you're just killing it's uniqueness.

Also, do you really think BW care? At this point in the game? multiplayer will probably be dead in 6 months, this isn't a multiplayer PvP game, it's coop. Your reasoning is just silly. You are probably more suited to CoD or battlefield with that way of thinking.

You know what else.. I played about 5-6 games on the AIU and it was fun, then I promoted all my classes and played them all just like I normally do. I see probably 2 warlord/juggernauts to 1 AIU too. And do I cry about it? no.. I think good on them for playing the game and enjoying it, and I know I don't have to look after them as much as if they were character that was not as strong.

1) Warlord and Juggernaut are powerful, but balanced characters. The AIU is not balanced. She has everything. Drell speed, DR, shield regen while being cloaked, auto-revive, strong melee, Turian durability, 25% additional damage for the strongest weapon category, debuff power that can't be dodged and debuffs multiple enemies and even decent passives. So...how could she possibly be balanced? Skill? That was the argument for the GI and look what happened. He got nerfed.

2) Yes, BioWare cares about game balance. At some point, you people have to deal with the fact that game balance is both, nerfs and buffs. If something is too weak, it should be buffed. If something is too powerful, it should be nerfed. Nobody is whining about all the buffs, right? I wonder why. Just look at the balance changes thread and tell me how many powers/weapons got buffed and nerfed.

It's really annoying that everyone is talking about the one little nerf that'll happen instead of the Talon buff and probably Venom, BPP and Spitfire buffs. Many people have asked for these buffs. Are they also whiny crybabies or why is it suddenly different if it's a buff?

3) You completely missunderstood the reason to nerf her. It's not about you having fun with it or some players outscoring others. It's because an OP kit or weapon (-> Krysae GI) can potentially kill the variety of the game. BioWare clearly stated that they want to encourage players to try different weapons and characters instead of using same kit + same weapon all the time.

Now, i've never asked for a nerf on BSN and probably never will. But this whining about nerfs has to stop. As long as Bioware balances MP, there will be buffs and nerfs. You can disagree and say balance is not necessary, i don't have a problem with that. However, you can't have the cake without the calories. It's that simple. That's why i wrote "deal with it". Because insulting and reporting players with different opinions on game balance won't change anything and will only increase the toxic environment on BSN.

[Chealec]

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...
This post i dedicated to those that think we are trying to destroy your game. We are not. In fact we are trying to save it even while you can’t see it. 

Really? Then let's talk about the Krysae Sniper Rifle.  I LOVED this weapon. I used it all the time. Then the nerfers came along & tried to "save my game". Now I NEVER use the Krysae. It's a worthless piece of crap now.

So thank you, all you stupid ****in nerfers!  You saved my game!  I don't know how I could survive without you. You took one of my favorite guns & saved it so I never even look at it anymore. Nice job!

I didn't want your ****ing help!  I didn't need your ****ing help! And I wish you would get lost. Go drown or play in the middle of the freeway or something. Just get the hell out of here. Friggin douchebags!

Don't hold back brother.

You have no idea how much I despise the friggin nerfers.  They're like Mass Effect multiplayer's cancer or a really nasty STD.  Toilet scum that you just can't get rid of.

pfft......."save the game".  Biggest load of crap I've seen on this forum so far.

AHhahahhahhahahha ... no.

[billy the squid]

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...
This post i dedicated to those that think we are trying to destroy your game. We are not. In fact we are trying to save it even while you can’t see it. 

Really? Then let's talk about the Krysae Sniper Rifle.  I LOVED this weapon. I used it all the time. Then the nerfers came along & tried to "save my game". Now I NEVER use the Krysae. It's a worthless piece of crap now.

So thank you, all you stupid ****in nerfers!  You saved my game!  I don't know how I could survive without you. You took one of my favorite guns & saved it so I never even look at it anymore. Nice job!

I didn't want your ****ing help!  I didn't need your ****ing help! And I wish you would get lost. Go drown or play in the middle of the freeway or something. Just get the hell out of here. Friggin douchebags!

Don't hold back brother.

You have no idea how much I despise the friggin nerfers.  They're like Mass Effect multiplayer's cancer or a really nasty STD.  Toilet scum that you just can't get rid of.

pfft......."save the game".  Biggest load of crap I've seen on this forum so far.

Because having everyone run about with a Krysea on an infiltrator was so much fun.... oh wait.

I liked it too, because it allowed me to effectively max my manifest in a few weeks. If you liked it fine, but at least have the balls to admit you liked the power, not the gameplay it brought.  

Because it was like the finger of God and killed everything it touched, At no point at release was the Krysae balanced or even interesting to play. Every match consisted of who could cloak and fire fastest as everything exploded, to the point when it was trivial, and playing another charcter was completely pointless.

Modifié par billy the squid, 07 mars 2013 - 02:25 .

[Impius]

@happy
1. Juggernaut, in which way he is balanced? There is no chance to get him down if u give him a cyclonic modulator, except u have a realy moronic gamestyle or when u play the first time a game.

2. I don't care if bioware balances, if bioware does it just from ingame-feedback. But I care if players demand the nerfs, by players who are not even gold-capable, by players who have not even maxed out rares, or ask for a weapon nerf while they don't have this weapon, yet.

3. GI is still much too powerfull. Invite me (if u play on pc) on gold on platinum while i use a javelin on it. I promise, u will not make much kills, i really promise and i promise, i barely will go down, because enemies don't come even really close to me.

Like i said, bioware has set wrong priorities.

I am really curios how much the RM will be nerfed, since i love the playstyle with her (i am doing well with any char, just invite me to proove), but i didn't see any point in nerfing her, for example.

But what really annoys me, is the fact, that the lancer will be nerfed by 10 %, while it is clearly not too strong. Harrier is still "much" more effective tbh and the harrier will never get touched, probably because its a private toy of an dev or something like that.

Modifié par Impius, 07 mars 2013 - 02:28 .

[spettro_sannita]

Impius wrote...

The AIU doesn't qualify you for playing the higher qualities, dear spettro, it is the damageoutput what qualifies you for higher difficulties and ur teamabilities and the map-/enemeyoversight

i agree on the importance of damage output, the point here is that the AIU offers the high dps any infiltrator can give (with the snap freeze debuff helping), plus the survival capacity given by repair matrix. It is similar to the turian ghost with his stim packs, but the auto revive makes AIU even better. I remember back in the days of the release of me3, i used to play gold only with claymore salarian infiltrator, and then slowly trying other kits and getting used to that level of difficulty. OP characters like AIU or TGI are more noob friendly and often represent the door to gold and plat for the newcomers, and that's not a bad thing IMO.

[Apl_Juice]

Is it so much to ask for a player to learn the game to play the game?

If nothing was nerfed, it'd be like playing Monopoly with infinite money and re-rolling dice. Actually, screw the dice, just move wherever you want, and put Hotels ERRYWER

[COLZ7R]

First off this nerff wont effect me one bit as i am not really into shotty infs. The problem i have is biowares reason for doing it. In the past the excuse for a nerff has been in game stats and trying to get people to play other kits/weps. This time it is pretty clear that is not the case. The kit had been out 5-6 days when it was said a nerff was happening, i have not seen myself seen or heard on bsn anyone saying that every pug is full of aiu's, the only reason i can see is the very vocal minoritys constant crying about it. Pandering to the elite whingers is a terrible way to "balance" a game

[Hausner85]

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...
This post i dedicated to those that think we are trying to destroy your game. We are not. In fact we are trying to save it even while you can’t see it. 

Really? Then let's talk about the Krysae Sniper Rifle.  I LOVED this weapon. I used it all the time. Then the nerfers came along & tried to "save my game". Now I NEVER use the Krysae. It's a worthless piece of crap now.

So thank you, all you stupid ****in nerfers!  You saved my game!  I don't know how I could survive without you. You took one of my favorite guns & saved it so I never even look at it anymore. Nice job!

I didn't want your ****ing help!  I didn't need your ****ing help! And I wish you would get lost. Go drown or play in the middle of the freeway or something. Just get the hell out of here. Friggin douchebags!

Don't hold back brother.

You have no idea how much I despise the friggin nerfers.  They're like Mass Effect multiplayer's cancer or a really nasty STD.  Toilet scum that you just can't get rid of.

pfft......."save the game".  Biggest load of crap I've seen on this forum so far.

Well what a polite and smart things you have to say. You know that the Krysea was nefer bye Bioware not nerfers and you know why?

I give you a hint:

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote..
I LOVED this weapon. I used it all the time

Your just the type of player that I'm fighting against: a scrub who can play only if he was overpower weapon/kit and who will refuse to use anything else. And when you toy is taken away from you blame others for your failures not your lack of skill. Also if you were smarter you would know that the thing that really broken finally Krysea was removing of the charge mechanics to fight missile glitching. After playing 1200 hr you really should be able to understand why OP kit/weapons are bad for game. And that for example Krysea was absurdly broken having more power then black widow, no need to aim and killing multiple enemies at once..

Modifié par Hausner85, 07 mars 2013 - 02:38 .

[xtorma]

Apl_J wrote...

Is it so much to ask for a player to learn the game to play the game?

If nothing was nerfed, it'd be like playing Monopoly with infinite money and re-rolling dice. Actually, screw the dice, just move wherever you want, and put Hotels ERRYWER

Even worse... it would be like playing a TGI!

[billy the squid]

Impius wrote...

@happy
1. Juggernaut, in which way he is balanced? There is no chance to get him down if u give him a cyclonic modulator, except u have a realy moronic gamestyle or when u play the first time a game.

2. I don't care if bioware balances, if bioware does it just from ingame-feedback. But I care if players demand the nerfs, by players who are not even gold-capable, by players who have not even maxed out rares, or ask for a weapon nerf while they don't have this weapon, yet.

3. GI is still much too powerfull. Invite me (if u play on pc) on gold on platinum while i use a javelin on it. I promise, u will not make much kills, i really promise and i promise, i barely will go down, because enemies don't come even really close to me.

Like i said, bioware has set wrong priorities.

I am really curios how much the RM will be nerfed, since i love the playstyle with her (i am doing well with any char, just invite me to proove), but i didn't see any point in nerfing her, for example.

But what really annoys me, is the fact, that the lancer will be nerfed by 10 %, while it is clearly not too strong. Harrier is still "much" more effective tbh and the harrier will never get touched, probably because its a private toy of an dev or something like that.

1) And he has absolutely no weapon damage boosting powers, he is a Tank, plain and simple not a a dmg dealer. He's fine. Being unable to take cover, slow, no dodge, large target, poor DPS. H is good at what he's supposed to do which is absorb damage and attract aggro.

2) Just as I don't like people who are using the class like a krolord saying he needs a buff/

3) GI is fine. He's a glass cannon. You pay for the highest DPS in the game with having tissue paper for shields and health. His HMalso cuts his base shields even further.

AIU would be fine if RM was completely removed. They've been fairly tight on how much they're going to nerf it, but I don't think they're going to do what they did to the Krysae.

Is the Lancer going to be nerfed? I didn't know that. I'm not sure as to why, it does do considerably more damage than the PPR and doesn't have the Harrier's ammo limits, but I'm unsure as to whether it needs nerfing. I haven't used it enough to be sure, mine's only at lvl 1.

As to the Harrier, it's fine. It's a nicely balanced weapon. Using it on any character with Mrksmn will leave you with no ammo in less than a minute. It's got great power and accuracy, but utterly crap ammo capacity making it unusable on some classes like the Jugger. Maybe a bit on the light side, but not a reason to nerf it.

[KlownSnypr]

All guns and powers in MP should be equivalent to the SP guns and powers. Nuff said no more nerfing just lots of buffing to all the nerf'd to death weapons.

[Impius]

Poor DPS? I use him with AR AMP 3, Warpammo 4 and Partical Rifle. Yea, thats a ****ing poor DPS, NO JOKE!!!. I speak not about silver or bronze, since in silver or bronze actually everything is overpowered.

And about that the lancer has slightly more dps than partical rifle, this is no argument for me, it is a freakin UR-Weapon, too, and if u have a ton of luck, u need just 112 psps to get it to X... like any UR weapon also.

Modifié par Impius, 07 mars 2013 - 02:47 .

[billy the squid]

KlownSnypr wrote...

All guns and powers in MP should be equivalent to the SP guns and powers. Nuff said no more nerfing just lots of buffing to all the nerf'd to death weapons.

LOLOLOLOLOL. several of the guns in SP are game breakingly OP if they were pushed into MP. 4 mrk X Adas ARs on TGIs. It'd be like the Krysae GI's all over again.

And there have been more buffs than nerfs in MP too.

[Apl_Juice]

xtorma wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

Is it so much to ask for a player to learn the game to play the game?

If nothing was nerfed, it'd be like playing Monopoly with infinite money and re-rolling dice. Actually, screw the dice, just move wherever you want, and put Hotels ERRYWER

Even worse... it would be like playing a TGI!

Straight to jail! Do not pass Go; Do not collect $200!


But on a more serious note, Entry classes are meant to provide a firm foothold into metagame play; they aren't meant to stomp all over it. They should have a clear effective ceiling, where skilled use beats it. A skilled AIU and a skilled GI are still very close in terms of DPS, and a GI is eons harder to play than the lolbot.

Also, BioWare nerfs according to data, not to the forums. I keep saying this in every thread, but if they nerf according to the Forums, the Harrier would be the Geth Pulse Rifle v2. Remember when everyone was asking for that Destroyer and Demolisher nerf?

Neither do I, so stop blaming it on us.

[DHKany]

People actually thought the Krysae was in any way shape or remote form balanced?

Sigh.

[billy the squid]

Impius wrote...

Poor DPS? I use him with AR AMP 3, Warpammo 4 and Partical Rifle. Yea, thats a ****ing poor DPS, NO JOKE!!!. I speak not about silver or bronze, since in silver or bronze actually everything is overpowered.

Stop being a pillock. If you are putting that much equipment and lvl 4 consumables on a character with one of the better UR weapons and then saying it's OP you're being a dumb arse.

[xtorma]

DHKany wrote...

People actually thought the Krysae was in any way shape or remote form balanced?

Sigh.

I don't think anyone did.

[KlownSnypr]

billy the squid wrote...

KlownSnypr wrote...

All guns and powers in MP should be equivalent to the SP guns and powers. Nuff said no more nerfing just lots of buffing to all the nerf'd to death weapons.

LOLOLOLOLOL. several of the guns in SP are game breakingly OP if they were pushed into MP. 4 mrk X Adas ARs on TGIs. It'd be like the Krysae GI's all over again.

And there have been more buffs than nerfs in MP too.

Don't care, All this nerfing has got to stop. If the community as a whole wanted you nerfer's to moan and complain until you got your way they would ask you to. But guess what they aren't asking you and this whole feeling of benevolence and superiority is somewhat kin to a certain president  a majority of the people do not like.

Granted the state of things are not his fault rather the predecessor of his predecessor who gave jobs away and rode in on the coat tails of his predecessors.

[Impius]

Why should i use a common weapon such a char? And why i shouldn't add upgrades for gold and platinum. Do u listen even to urself? Insulting, really? Direct primitive insults? Wow, u have my respect, NOT!

[Apl_Juice]

DHKany wrote...

People actually thought the Krysae was in any way shape or remote form balanced?

Sigh.

They were just being selfish; they knew it was broken.

People simply get their jollies from breaking the game. The Krysae basically made every enemy a basic trooper.

Phantom? Explode.
Pyro? Explode.
Hunter? Explode.

All that work BioWare did to make the enemies went down the pooper with that thing; that's why it was nerfed.