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#76
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DungeonHoek wrote...

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No, I think I made my point.

You're going on about people supporting 1 shots and the fun surrounding them and blah blah blah, yet every kit carries a 1 shot. Even though its in technically limited supplies.

And then we have the rampant use of the rocket glitch. Breaking the game or not, it was still rampant.

Which I'm not even sure has been stamped out or not. Probably not given the track record of Bioware trying to fix it.

Still, 1 shotting is already there pal.


No you've completely missed the point. first of all I clearly stated power ( i.e. prox mines)

Second of all, rampant use or not, missle glitching is "illegal" and it does ruin the game....most people immediately leave MG matches.

The game would cease to be fun for a large swath of the players.

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zorinho20 wrote...

Chealec wrote...

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OP kits will not ruin the gaming experience for anyone

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Not entirely true, I don't really like the AIU - but I'll not stay in a lobby with 3 people using it (or Infiltrators of any stripe actually)... if everyone uses the AIU I'll stop playing.

Ergo - everyone using an OP kit wouldn't actually "ruin" my gaming experience as such - it would kill it, dead.

To ruin your gaming experience,that Winfiltrator users have to be damn good players and damn good players don´t have to use OP kits.
Am I correct?


Not really - based on prior experience, if I go into a PuG lobby and see 3 infiltrators it's like a warning flag - the game is either going to be terrible or boring, one of the two... so I leave.

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Lol. This faux argument of "loving the game more than you" is always fun to hear.

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Totally agree OP (although perhaps "love the game just as much as you do" would be appropriate. Title as is is just flame bait). People just don't see how bad/boring the game would get and how quickly they'd move on to another game if necessary balances weren't made.

They're all pro-buff and anti nerf. They don't get the "Balance" in game balance.

You won't change any of their minds though. Its a sisyphean effort.

Modifié par etm125, 05 mars 2013 - 02:19 .


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Chealec wrote...

zorinho20 wrote...

Chealec wrote...

Dr-Rai1 wrote...
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OP kits will not ruin the gaming experience for anyone

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Not entirely true, I don't really like the AIU - but I'll not stay in a lobby with 3 people using it (or Infiltrators of any stripe actually)... if everyone uses the AIU I'll stop playing.

Ergo - everyone using an OP kit wouldn't actually "ruin" my gaming experience as such - it would kill it, dead.

To ruin your gaming experience,that Winfiltrator users have to be damn good players and damn good players don´t have to use OP kits.
Am I correct?


Not really - based on prior experience, if I go into a PuG lobby and see 3 infiltrators it's like a warning flag - the game is either going to be terrible or boring, one of the two... so I leave.


For me it's even more challenging. all that agro drop. you must play your best with three infils in your group. It's the ultimate test. Bring it!

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OP,I don't kow if you are trolling or not.if you are not then you're post is so full of of arrogance & conceit it is utterly appaling.The nerfers of which you say you are one know more about this game in terms of balance than anyone else bar the bioware team itself !!!What a load of bull***t.Please tell me were you get off telling people (especially newer people playing the game who coincidentally will probably not even see this post) that you know better and that you are also doing these nerf posts under some delusion that you are helping the newer people become better players.

I have been in countless games with so called OP kits & weapons & you know what?.It is the player's skill that decides if they can rock a certain kit or weapon not the kit or weapon itself.Want proof? ask yourself a simple question ,when Puging how many times have you seen a so called OP kit or weapon (ie TGI,GI,AIU,Jugg or Destroyer to name a few) and been outscored by said OP kit or weapon or how times have you seen said OP kits get downed a lot and you outscore them with any number of kits that you can use?

Nerfs & Buffs are part of any multiplayer game but you know nerfs get bad when you longer see said nerfed kit or weapon in the lobbies on even a semi regular basis.In ending if people want to play said so called OP kits then let them play,you don't like them don't use them or if you are puging and see said kit either kick or leave,

p.s sorry about the amount of text.

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meleander wrote...
Yes, beacause noobs like you play in the bronze looby. Try playing on platinium, where thanks to * like you Destroyer is no longer playable.


Well my Destroyer is doing pretty well in plat lobby's...

BryceH wrote...

Guys, don't feed the troll. Even other nerfers roll their eyes at the OP's logic.


Please show me the flows of my thinking so i can learn...

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meleander wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...

Then three Drell Assassins (lev 20) with Black Widow X and Drill Round III come to you Bronze lobby.


Yes, beacause noobs like you play in the bronze looby. Try playing on platinium, where thanks to * like you Destroyer is no longer playable.


Funny ... before the 4 x Juggy lulzfest that Platinum has become, the Destroyer/Typhoon was my goto class for Platinum; still one of the best kits for putting bosses down.

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I am pro-BALANCE. I agree with nerfs when necessary, however, I do not agree with some of the things you stated in the OP as they come across as egocentric. The people who are completely against balance generally do not listen to these arguments as they have a different perspective on what they want out of a game.

People do not like to hear that you know better than them, and are only doing something to protect them. You are making all pro-balance people sound like a bunch of narcissictic control freaks.

At the end of the day though the people who whine and cry that "NeRferz R ruinin' my gameZ" need to remember that we are not in charge of the balance changes and Bioware has their own metrics they take and nerf/buff depending on usage of weapons/kits. Even if a kit is capable of massive damage it may not be nerfed if not many people play it. The AIU will only be nerfed if we see a great majority of PUGs using it weeks after DLC drops (Yes I am fairly certain Bioware takes into consideration popularity of new classes before nerfing/buffing)

Modifié par MajorStupidity, 05 mars 2013 - 02:23 .


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Chealec wrote...

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Chealec wrote...
Noobs using nubtubes in BF3/CoD/whatever (AWP in CS - yeah, I'm oldskool) is no more of a big deal than it is in ME3 (unless it's an e-sport event maybe, with a prize pot); in PvP games it means you're probably in for a frustrating game, in co-op games a boring one, you're stuck with the same solution in either case though - don't like it? Quit the game.


Hahahaha oh wow. I have to quit the game because I want to use a weapon or a class everyone is crying about? I am speechless. Degenerates like you belond on a cross.


... way to miss the point completely and almost completely reverse what I was saying ...

You know if your IQ was higher than the sum of the numbers in your screen-name or you were less defensive/confontational/trolling you might have picked up on that.

Hey ho.


Oh look we got a smartass over here. No, I didn't miss your point. I play the class > it gets nerfed > I don't like > I should quit the game. Yes? And this is ****ing stupid logic. As I said nerfing is not need. The only thing that really needed it was pre-release sabotage vs Geth and that's all. I am FINE with all noob/pro AIU in my gold games, while you nerds cry about EZ class. 

Since you went full retard I will ignore all your posts from now on. 

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Hausner85 wrote...
...  imagine that you just started you first MP game ... three Drell Assassins (lev 20) with Black Widow X and Drill Round III come to you Bronze lobby. You will barely see an enemy nevermind killing something for the whole match.

But this happens already? Those just starting find others with almost a year of experience and BW Xs pugging bronze & silver.  Why? I don't know.  And they probably got their BW's by using OP weapons and classes pre-nerfs.

Whatever, doesn't matter to me.  Dare I say it but I find the new JUG much more OP than the AIU (speaking Silver here) -- he's so much more useful to the team -- holding the more troublesome enemies at bay.  Bringing him to a match makes it seem like a walk in the park.  With my AIU (& no good JUG on the team), it's the same old scramble.

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Hausner85 wrote...

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 Tell you what "Mr. I know better"  go f**k yourself.  Go sit in your little corner with your little f**king friends and have a grand f**king time banning all kits/weapons that don't match your perceived notions of difficulty.

In case this isn't any clearer for you....

---> LEAVE THE REST OF US THE F**K ALONE!  <---

Have a nice day.


Wow so mature response:) I think i will take your advice seriously as it well thought out and so polite. Seriously pathetic... What are you twelve???


Because getting in my business of what I play and how I play and I should conform to your standards is more important.  So yes, this is a very well throught out and polite response from some **** telling me they "love the game more than me and trying to protect it for me" as well as being a "Mr Know It All".  Do us all a favor and read the bold, italic, and underlinded words again.

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Doesn't make sense.  Then don't use those kits on bronze.  You don't need all those consumables for bronze anyway.  And what do you care how people the game?  If you want your game played a certain way, make it a private game with just some friends.  No need to be a jerk and ruin the game for the rest of us just because you feel like crying everytime someone has a kit killing faster than you.

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Trying to "protect" it? Don't make me laugh.

Here's a nerfer actually being honest.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/16061491/1

"1. It diminishes my accomplishments. You can rage about how I'm an elitist all you want, but the truth is, a game should reward somebody for being good. If somebody of equal skill level can effortlessly outperform me simply because of their kit, then it unfairly robs me of the sense of achievement that humans crave by nature."

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xtorma wrote...

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For me it's even more challenging. all that agro drop. you must play your best with three infils in your group. It's the ultimate test. Bring it!


If I have to clutch more than one round in a game - I'm outta the lobby as soon as it's over. With 3 infils in PuGs, I'm fairly sure it'll either tediously easy - or I'm gonna have to clutch several rounds... either way, it's not a game I want to be in.

If it's friends it's a different matter - as we can talk s*** whilst meandering about murdering everything... PuG, not so much.

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etm125 wrote...

Totally agree OP. People just don't see how bad/boring the game would get and how quickly they'd move on to another game if necessary balances weren't made.

They're all pro-buff and anti nerf. They don't get the "Balance" in game balance.

You won't change any of their minds though. Its a sisyphean effort.


The game is so very well balanced now. It's why you stumble over so many vanilla engineer no missle speedrunning videos.

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3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Chealec wrote...

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Chealec wrote...
Noobs using nubtubes in BF3/CoD/whatever (AWP in CS - yeah, I'm oldskool) is no more of a big deal than it is in ME3 (unless it's an e-sport event maybe, with a prize pot); in PvP games it means you're probably in for a frustrating game, in co-op games a boring one, you're stuck with the same solution in either case though - don't like it? Quit the game.


Hahahaha oh wow. I have to quit the game because I want to use a weapon or a class everyone is crying about? I am speechless. Degenerates like you belond on a cross.


... way to miss the point completely and almost completely reverse what I was saying ...

You know if your IQ was higher than the sum of the numbers in your screen-name or you were less defensive/confontational/trolling you might have picked up on that.

Hey ho.


Oh look we got a smartass over here. No, I didn't miss your point. I play the class > it gets nerfed > I don't like > I should quit the game. Yes? And this is ****ing stupid logic. As I said nerfing is not need. The only thing that really needed it was pre-release sabotage vs Geth and that's all. I am FINE with all noob/pro AIU in my gold games, while you nerds cry about EZ class. 

Since you went full retard I will ignore all your posts from now on. 


lol - missed the point again.

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You know, I DIDN'T care if they nerfed the AIU before, but I do now because of all the threads like this. I don't even have the AIU yet, but my wife does and she's used it twice. I've never been in a lobby with more than one AIU (on PC). I've never been outscored by an AIU, but I don't play with the BSN gods either. In fact, the only name I've ever recognized in one of my lobbies is Xtorma and he stayed for all of 8 seconds, lol. Point is, all these threads prognosticating doom and gloom are way overblown. I'm just not seeing it and all I do is PUG. So, from my experience, I am just not understanding how having an EDIbot in your lobby is ruining your game.

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Chealec wrote...

zorinho20 wrote...

Chealec wrote...

Dr-Rai1 wrote...
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OP kits will not ruin the gaming experience for anyone

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Not entirely true, I don't really like the AIU - but I'll not stay in a lobby with 3 people using it (or Infiltrators of any stripe actually)... if everyone uses the AIU I'll stop playing.

Ergo - everyone using an OP kit wouldn't actually "ruin" my gaming experience as such - it would kill it, dead.

To ruin your gaming experience,that Winfiltrator users have to be damn good players and damn good players don´t have to use OP kits.
Am I correct?


Not really - based on prior experience, if I go into a PuG lobby and see 3 infiltrators it's like a warning flag - the game is either going to be terrible or boring, one of the two... so I leave.

Why so negative?
There is a lot players out there,who play Infiltrators to help team and not just hoard kills.
But,it might be your way,too.

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Chealec wrote...

meleander wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...

Then three Drell Assassins (lev 20) with Black Widow X and Drill Round III come to you Bronze lobby.


Yes, beacause noobs like you play in the bronze looby. Try playing on platinium, where thanks to * like you Destroyer is no longer playable.


Funny ... before the 4 x Juggy lulzfest that Platinum has become, the Destroyer/Typhoon was my goto class for Platinum; still one of the best kits for putting bosses down.


Krogan soldier RWWWAR!

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Cloaking_Thane wrote...

DungeonHoek wrote...

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No, I think I made my point.

You're going on about people supporting 1 shots and the fun surrounding them and blah blah blah, yet every kit carries a 1 shot. Even though its in technically limited supplies.

And then we have the rampant use of the rocket glitch. Breaking the game or not, it was still rampant.

Which I'm not even sure has been stamped out or not. Probably not given the track record of Bioware trying to fix it.

Still, 1 shotting is already there pal.


No you've completely missed the point. first of all I clearly stated power ( i.e. prox mines)

Second of all, rampant use or not, missle glitching is "illegal" and it does ruin the game....most people immediately leave MG matches.

The game would cease to be fun for a large swath of the players.


Did I miss it, or did I just counter it with unpleasent fact.

And I never said it didn't mess up the game.

But that it was rampant. And people used it. Legal or not.

And that 1 shots were already here. Limited supply or not.

I guess what I should say, is that not everyone defines fun in the same way. That better for you?

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xtorma wrote...

etm125 wrote...

Totally agree OP. People just don't see how bad/boring the game would get and how quickly they'd move on to another game if necessary balances weren't made.

They're all pro-buff and anti nerf. They don't get the "Balance" in game balance.

You won't change any of their minds though. Its a sisyphean effort.


The game is so very well balanced now. It's why you stumble over so many vanilla engineer no missle speedrunning videos.


I miss seeing vanilla humans in lobbies -- totally agree. But that wasnt due to any massive nerf to the vanilla kits. Its due to power creep and release of more powerful kits. Just because Im ok with nerfs doesnt mean I dont see some glaring kits/weapons that need a buff. 

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Opinions; everyone has them. Few are right. The thought process that says "nerfers love the game more" is silly.

I've played a lot of Silvers and some Golds with others playing as the AIU. They aren't always topping the boards and they rarely carry the game. They survive better, but that's a good thing for newer players, of which there are a lot these days.

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Finally a "nerf-everything-guy" makes a public appearance. I have to give you some sort of recognition for that.
Second. I don't agree with you at all. What are you doing is saying to us how WE think? ok, thats beyond my comprehension. Saying that you are "saving us even when we can't see it" 
If a guy go into a bronze match with an N7 destroyer, Harrier X + Incendiary IV, yes of course it will be OP. But what in the bloody jesus is that guy doing there? There are kits that are more suitable for higher levels of difficulty than others just like weapons.You can't expect to nerf everything to the ground just because is easy to kill something with that particular kit/gun.
There is also called "rarity" on kits/guns. New players have to play bronze first in order to buy better stuff. Veteran players are able to play on higher difficulties because they have spent tons of time playing to buy their stuff.
And who says is not funny kill with a Harrier a marauder who can easily take you dawn with 2 melee hits? I think thats fair not OP

You are saying that this is a competitive MP. That's only half of the truth. We have to work together in order to won the match, at least on gold/plat. Yes, there is a score board, but that doesn't nessesarily mean that this is a fully competitive game.

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Besides the obviously snide and holier than thou tone of the OP, there's a few reasons why I don't think that several of the arguments to nerf are valid. 

The first is level of contribution. I honestly like that there are noob friendly kits for gold. I would not say I'm an "elite" player. I've never soloed platinum with a volus, or topped a gold scoreboard using only a FQE with a Locust or whatever. I can say that every match I join, I will contribute to in a meaningful fashion. I will be outscored, and I will outscore people as well, but during every single game, I will contribute. Kits like the AIU, TGI, and Juggy allow players who wouldn't normally be contributors a way to make themselves useful on matches where they might be a drag. I'm cool with that. This is a co-op game after all. Doesn't anyone remember the days when being a crappy gold player meant dying too much? So BW makes a few kits that allow those people to contribute a bit more, and how does BSN react? By saying that people aren't dying enough.

The second is boredom. People who call for nerfs generally say that they're doing it to save us all from boredom. This is noble, but unnecessary. Yes, we will see a lot of AIUs in gold lobbies, just like we saw a lot of TGIs before them, and Krysae toting GIs before that. This will wind down because why? Boredom. My favorite class to use is the N7 Destroyer. It's awesome being like War Machine, pounding out tons of weapon damage and carpet bombing or if I'm feeling crazy, shooting missiles out at will. Do I use the Destroyer much anymore? Well... not really, because I'm kind of bored with it. I used it a lot, and now I've moved on. No matter how good I was with the Destroyer, no matter how many credits I earned grinding out matches with him, it's easy for me to move onto another character because it's boring to play the same thing over and over again. Don't get me wrong, I sometimes like firing up Devastator Mode and turning things into goo with my PPR, but really, the very thing that nerf advocates want to prevent actually balances the use of characters. 

The third reason, is fun versus efficiency. As I stated a bit before, my favorite kit is the N7 Destroyer. I feel like I'm pretty damn good with my Destroyer. When I do choose to solo, he's the class I tend to try out first. I recognize that as far as efficiency is concerned, he's probably my best kit. However, due to the fact that I've played a lot of games with him, he's not my most fun kit right now. That would be the Krogan Warlord (smashing Scions is endlessly great). Nerf advocates assume that becaus a kit is efficient, it is the most fun, and since fun is the highest factor in determining why people play games, the most nerfworthy kit is the extremely efficient kit. Again though, boredom is key in limiting this. You might say that the AIU encourages bad habits, and players who use the AIU in gold matches will only be able to use the AIU in gold matches, and because of that, eventually everyone will only be using AIUs in gold matches because it's the efficient thing to do. What I say is the more likely scenario, is that here will be players who will never regularly play gold or platinum. The step up just isn't worth the consumables and the lack of contribution, so occasionally, they might play a gold match with the AIU/Juggy/Whatever broken class of the week for a quick shot of credits, and then go back to what the enjoy playing, which is silver or bronze. I don't see what's wrong with that. 

All told, the attitude of the OP is partially the reason why nerf threads are met with such venom. I will discuss valid reasons why things should be nerfed/buffed, but I don't even want to know what kind of person thinks that they know how to "protect" me from a video game that I play for friggin fun. High horse... get off it pls.