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[N7 Spectre525]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

OP sounds like a Socialist Democrat. "We know what's best for you, so just sit back and let us fix everything. Everything and everyone will be equal now, well, except for us."

Thanks, but no thanks. We are perfectly capable of policing ourselves. If we don't want an OP kit/weapon in a PUG, we will boot them. If we don't want to deal with PUGs, we will start a private lobby.

Stop it man. Your trying to bring logic into the conversation.

[COLZ7R]

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

This **** cracks me up. OP I wasn't aware I needed you to save my game. Your self importance is amusing.

apart from what i said earlier. this pretty much sums it up and is a perfect showcase as to why the majority do not like "nerffers" arrogance towards people you do not know or even really care about and the good ol "i know best" approach just marks you as a not very likable person who's opinion should be ignored at all cost

[Siegdrifa]

Not sure that claiming you love the game more than X and that your opinion is more valuable than X in order to save X from X and expect X to thank you in return, is the best way to expose an opinion.

Also, the awesomeness of the AIU is not in repair matrix, what will you do if it get nerfed (which i don't give a damn for the reason i said just before), enjoy that bad players can use their med packs again before reaching the cap of 255 ? It's not really what ruin the game.

[Pyth the Bull]

This is by far the stupidest thing I've ever seen on BSN.

[t1n0]

Instead of changing the game, why don't you find another lobby, or find 3 friends to play with you and pick characters/levels that are similar....although I wouldn't be surprised if you had difficulty finding those three people.

[E71]

* Slow clap *

OP, you've earned my prestigious 1 out of 5 stars award.

[Voorhees88]

LOL stopped reading after the BWX going into bronze ahhh durp any class or weapon is OP on bronze

[xtorma]

quebra wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Dorick wrote...

I agree hausner, let the "nerfing" commence. Balance keeps a game fun, and challenging. Remember how many missile glitchers their used to be? I am assuming all missile glitchers oppose nerfs bv they dont play ME3 for the challenge, just the reward.

It's people like you that give the balance crowd a good name.

WTF do missle glitchers have to do with nerfing?  Not a damn thing.  BIOWARE, fix the glitches and community stop epeening about nerfing.

Can all the nerf crowd just go play COD of BF3 please?

Sarcasm eludes you.

[XPERIA_Z]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

AIU is overpowered but so is the GI, and GI wasn't nerfed into the ground. Fancy that.

TGI too

[xtorma]

1almond wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

AIU is overpowered but so is the GI, and GI wasn't nerfed into the ground. Fancy that.

TGI too

MQI too

[Rebel_Raven]

Lets not overlook an obvious point. If nerfers wouldn't spam the boards, they wouldn't get as much hate.
Sadly, they do, so their welcome quickly wears out. We don't want dozens of topics retreading the SAME GODDAMN THING over, and over again, with smug people rubbing it in people's faces.

And, yeah, that self important, high and mighty, not giving a damn about anyone else's opinions or wants, incredible negativity, generally never asking for buffs, and few doing bugger all to contribute to the board aside from cries for nerf generally hurts them more than anything.

Oh, and lets not forget the attention addicts that stir crap up just for attention who seem abundant amongst nerfers.

Lets face it, you may not get a lot of love here, but you're your own worst enemy.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 07 mars 2013 - 02:23 .

[Kiernin]

No. I think what ruined this game is taking 221 million credits to max out 7 UR guns that were introduced with the latest dlc alone. It's always been about the bottom line. FBWG farming? Rio farming? I'm sorry that people felt that such activities would bring about the end of the world, but no, those are merely symptoms of a larger problem.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about the store, or whatever everyone feels is OP at the moment. But as long as there are classes that are more efficient/durable at gaining credits, they are going to be used, regardless of what is done to them, until they are nerfed into uselessness, then which they are then abandoned completely.

However, those with maxed out manifests and therefore have nothing to really gain from credits can do whatever the hell they want. They can play for fun, ruin bronze pugs, stomp silver, etc. However, don't for an instant think you have the same concerns as someone who has, let's say, just picked up the game yesterday.(Poor guy) So let's just stop with this way of thinking that one person or a select group knows what is best for everyone. Even the Devs don't know that. But at least they have an idea of how things were intended to be used, and will balance skills/guns around that and not whatever your personal opinion is.

[Star fury]

Good and sound text, OP. But bsn is a wrong place to post it. Don't worry, biower will nerf sexbot, when they get all money from people who pay for packs.

[Hausner85]

Star fury wrote...

Good and sound text, OP. But bsn is a wrong place to post it. Don't worry, biower will nerf sexbot, when they get all money from people who pay for packs.

That's funny how they do it every time Release time Krysea GI RGI Destroyer N7 Typhoon N7 Piranha and all others. Like no in game testing have been done. And when all the weaklings spend their real money to get it... BUM!!! Big nerf... This looks like a very strange coincidence.

[AnimaMachinae]

Some men just want to see the world burn. i.e. you OP

[billy the squid]

Hausner85 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Good and sound text, OP. But bsn is a wrong place to post it. Don't worry, biower will nerf sexbot, when they get all money from people who pay for packs.

That's funny how they do it every time Release time Krysea GI RGI Destroyer N7 Typhoon N7 Piranha and all others. Like no in game testing have been done. And when all the weaklings spend their real money to get it... BUM!!! Big nerf... This looks like a very strange coincidence.

Pffft. I farmed the crap out of gold using the Krysea GI, If that was their attempt to get me to spend more money, they failed horribly. I effectively maxed my manifest using that combo before the nerf. As to the others, the destroyer had a magazine nerf, Piranha was acually buffed then nerfed back to pre buff lvls, GI is still godly with HM, it didn't really hit him at all. 

So what you chattin' about? All the ones you mentioned have barely been touched, with the exception of the Krysea, the nerfs to them have been fairly tame.

[Necrotya]

@OP....amount of "IlikemyselfImbetterthanyouIonlytryingtohelpyoucauseIknowbet" in your post is infinite. In analogy I see a bit of starbrat's logic in your arguments. "We know what's best for you, you don't understand us"...ring a bell? 

Modifié par Necrotya, 07 mars 2013 - 10:43 .

[Hausner85]

billy the squid wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Good and sound text, OP. But bsn is a wrong place to post it. Don't worry, biower will nerf sexbot, when they get all money from people who pay for packs.

That's funny how they do it every time Release time Krysea GI RGI Destroyer N7 Typhoon N7 Piranha and all others. Like no in game testing have been done. And when all the weaklings spend their real money to get it... BUM!!! Big nerf... This looks like a very strange coincidence.

Pffft. I farmed the crap out of gold using the Krysea GI, If that was their attempt to get me to spend more money, they failed horribly. I effectively maxed my manifest using that combo before the nerf. As to the others, the destroyer had a magazine nerf, Piranha was acually buffed then nerfed back to pre buff lvls, GI is still godly with HM, it didn't really hit him at all. 

So what you chattin' about? All the ones you mentioned have barely been touched, with the exception of the Krysea, the nerfs to them have been fairly tame.

And who said the nerfs have to be game braking? But all of those classes are not as powerful as on day one and maybe you didn't spend money to get Krysea and GI but there are a lot of people that did.

[Brownfinger]

Hausner85 wrote...

So we got another broken overpowered kit. As always in this situation some of the players starts to ask for a nerf and some oppose them. I’m nerfer, I must admit to that. I’m also proud to be one... This post i dedicated to those that think we are trying to destroy your game. We are not. In fact we are trying to save it even while you can’t see it. 

Have you ask yourself how the game would look like without some of the much needed nerfs?

Well imagine that you just started you first MP game. You have Avenger I on your Hsol level I. Then three Drell Assassins (lev 20) with Black Widow X and Drill Round III come to you Bronze lobby. You will barely see an enemy nevermind killing something for the whole match. Was that fun? I don’t think so... This is what OP kit/weapons do to the game. They make playing other kit/weapons frustrating and unrewarding.  I know I’m exaggerating here but not very much. If there are overpowered kit/weapons in the game all (but the very best) players are forced to use them. You can argue as much as you want but the truth is that we all are a competitive bunch and in order to compete with best weapons/kits most players will be forced to make switch to them. Very soon the best thing about ME3MP it’s variety will be dead and again most of the players will be frustrated/bored by playing always the same way. 

So OP kit/weapons can make game boring/frustrating whenever you use them or not. They will always hurt your gaming experience. But there is another problem:

The OP kit/weapons take you where you shouldn’t be. You’re not ready to play Gold but with them you can.... And the filling is great at the beginning. Then after 20 matches it’s only good  after 50-60 you want to switch to something else. You do..... Only to find yourself being completely unable to play with it. You're dying a lot you burn through supplies like crazy and you're failing a lot of missions, and you're always consistently outscored by almost every one, hardly what you call a fun. So you get back to that one weapon/kit that you can play. You play to the point  you’re sick of it and the game as a whole... The newest broken kit the AIU is great example of that. The combination of Infiltrator TC + Repair Matrix will make sure that you that you take very little aggro and when you make a mistake you won’t pay for it. This kit is making sure you will never learn how to time your attacks, how to protect yourself and how to survive on Gold. This kit is promoting stupid and reckless behavior even on gold. It’s hard to see this a good thing even for aspiring players.... 


So  when arguing with players that support nerfs please keep in mind that we don’t want to destroy the game for you. We are trying to protect the game for you even if that means protecting it from yourself. We love this game very much and we have the knowledge and understanding to see how this game can be broken for everyone with bad balance. You may not see this while you struggling to compete on higher level but believe me, we want to preserve it for you in a longer run...

EDIT: One more time if some one didn't understand : YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME. But i would be nice if you could see there is some logic in this approach and the goal isn't really to RUIN YOUR GAME.

EDIT 2: Again "The Nerfers love this game more than you do" means that some of us wont this game to be fun, nice and appealing for as long as possible not just easily accessible. Also I wanted to make a strong argument about devotions of some of us for this game and that we contributed more time to it that most of other players. If someone was offended by this statement it wasn't my intention and I'm sorry.

Edit 3: I never stated that I want all things nerfed to the grounds... As an example I would say the first Krysea nerf was Ok the Tgi should never got stimps and the nerf was right for him wrong for havoc. As for now I find three things overpowered: unlimited revives on AUI the undead Juggy and Reegar Dps I would buff much more things starting rare AR. But most people will try to badge me as crybaby elitist or nerf-all-lunatic so they don't have to confront with my ideas. And of course I don't represent all Nerfers just dose that agree with me...

Edit 4: I always thought that most players crave for feeling of achievement like when you become a true gold players. It seems that there are a lot of players that are looking for an easy way in. Whenever i see text like "Mind your own business, why do you care how we play etc." what i really see "You're threaten my easy way in and the (probably) undeserved spot I have thanks to that kit/weapon"

Edit 5: There are already quite few Gold level entry classes (TGI, SI, Hsol, N7 Destroyer, N7 Fury, N7 Demolisher, Hinf, Huntress, Kroguard, Barguard and others) for those that are making a switch. I cannot see why there should be classes/weapons that allow everyone to play Gold without effort. Also i cannot why everyone should be able to play gold. And what separates true gold players from silver one is not skills/classes/weapons it's the understanding of basic game mechanics. And you can learn them quite fast from the very forum we are on..

Your logic is like your English - broken and awful.

A new kit comes along that you feel threatened by it because someone is going to save a few medi gel, so you cry like toddlers with skinned knees to restore your presently warped perception of balance. You don't have even a nebulous grasp on how this kit shapes peoples' gameplay experience, every single character class is represented by those who play well, and those who do not. Generalizing and assuming that this kit is just an apology from Bioware that lets scrubby people do as they please is narrow thinking. Have I run into ten times as many awful Geth Infiltrators as I have Alliance Unit Infiltrators? You bet. Carried them all. I welcome the challenge, I was happy to do it. This kit isn't going to change the fact that people will have ambitions beyond their skill level. Pug some gold, you'll see. It's going to happen, regardless of the status of this kit. Let them have their fun. You play with your elitist friends anyway, so why do you care?

Your misguided vision for what you think is best for everyone else is noted, and disregarded.
The ending to Mass Effect 3 still incites anger in many, but I think people like you  are the worst thing to ever happen to this game.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 07 mars 2013 - 11:29 .

[darkpassenger2342]

Brownfinger wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...

So we got another broken overpowered kit. As always in this situation some of the players starts to ask for a nerf and some oppose them. I’m nerfer, I must admit to that. I’m also proud to be one... This post i dedicated to those that think we are trying to destroy your game. We are not. In fact we are trying to save it even while you can’t see it. 

Have you ask yourself how the game would look like without some of the much needed nerfs?

Well imagine that you just started you first MP game. You have Avenger I on your Hsol level I. Then three Drell Assassins (lev 20) with Black Widow X and Drill Round III come to you Bronze lobby. You will barely see an enemy nevermind killing something for the whole match. Was that fun? I don’t think so... This is what OP kit/weapons do to the game. They make playing other kit/weapons frustrating and unrewarding.  I know I’m exaggerating here but not very much. If there are overpowered kit/weapons in the game all (but the very best) players are forced to use them. You can argue as much as you want but the truth is that we all are a competitive bunch and in order to compete with best weapons/kits most players will be forced to make switch to them. Very soon the best thing about ME3MP it’s variety will be dead and again most of the players will be frustrated/bored by playing always the same way. 

So OP kit/weapons can make game boring/frustrating whenever you use them or not. They will always hurt your gaming experience. But there is another problem:

The OP kit/weapons take you where you shouldn’t be. You’re not ready to play Gold but with them you can.... And the filling is great at the beginning. Then after 20 matches it’s only good  after 50-60 you want to switch to something else. You do..... Only to find yourself being completely unable to play with it. You're dying a lot you burn through supplies like crazy and you're failing a lot of missions, and you're always consistently outscored by almost every one, hardly what you call a fun. So you get back to that one weapon/kit that you can play. You play to the point  you’re sick of it and the game as a whole... The newest broken kit the AIU is great example of that. The combination of Infiltrator TC + Repair Matrix will make sure that you that you take very little aggro and when you make a mistake you won’t pay for it. This kit is making sure you will never learn how to time your attacks, how to protect yourself and how to survive on Gold. This kit is promoting stupid and reckless behavior even on gold. It’s hard to see this a good thing even for aspiring players.... 


So  when arguing with players that support nerfs please keep in mind that we don’t want to destroy the game for you. We are trying to protect the game for you even if that means protecting it from yourself. We love this game very much and we have the knowledge and understanding to see how this game can be broken for everyone with bad balance. You may not see this while you struggling to compete on higher level but believe me, we want to preserve it for you in a longer run...

EDIT: One more time if some one didn't understand : YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME. But i would be nice if you could see there is some logic in this approach and the goal isn't really to RUIN YOUR GAME.

EDIT 2: Again "The Nerfers love this game more than you do" means that some of us wont this game to be fun, nice and appealing for as long as possible not just easily accessible. Also I wanted to make a strong argument about devotions of some of us for this game and that we contributed more time to it that most of other players. If someone was offended by this statement it wasn't my intention and I'm sorry.

Edit 3: I never stated that I want all things nerfed to the grounds... As an example I would say the first Krysea nerf was Ok the Tgi should never got stimps and the nerf was right for him wrong for havoc. As for now I find three things overpowered: unlimited revives on AUI the undead Juggy and Reegar Dps I would buff much more things starting rare AR. But most people will try to badge me as crybaby elitist or nerf-all-lunatic so they don't have to confront with my ideas. And of course I don't represent all Nerfers just dose that agree with me...

Edit 4: I always thought that most players crave for feeling of achievement like when you become a true gold players. It seems that there are a lot of players that are looking for an easy way in. Whenever i see text like "Mind your own business, why do you care how we play etc." what i really see "You're threaten my easy way in and the (probably) undeserved spot I have thanks to that kit/weapon"

Edit 5: There are already quite few Gold level entry classes (TGI, SI, Hsol, N7 Destroyer, N7 Fury, N7 Demolisher, Hinf, Huntress, Kroguard, Barguard and others) for those that are making a switch. I cannot see why there should be classes/weapons that allow everyone to play Gold without effort. Also i cannot why everyone should be able to play gold. And what separates true gold players from silver one is not skills/classes/weapons it's the understanding of basic game mechanics. And you can learn them quite fast from the very forum we are on..

Your logic is like your English - broken and awful.

A new kit
comes along that you feel threatened by it because someone is going to
save a few medi gel, so you cry like toddlers with skinned knees to
restore your presently warped perception of balance. You don't have even
a nebulous grasp on how this kit shapes peoples' gameplay experience,
every single character class is represented by those who play well, and
those who do not. Generalizing and assuming that this kit is just an
apology from Bioware that lets scrubby people do as they please is
narrow thinking. Have I run into ten times as many awful Geth Infiltrators as I have Alliance Unit Infiltrators? You bet. Carried them all. I welcome the challenge, I was happy to do it. This kit isn't going to change the fact that people will have ambitions beyond their skill level. Pug some gold, you'll see. It's going to happen, regardless of the status of this kit. Let them have their fun. You play with your
elitist friends anyway, so why do you care?

Your misguided vision
for what you think is best for everyone else is noted, and disregarded.
The ending to Mass Effect 3 still incites anger in many, but I think people like you are the worst thing to ever happen to this game.

you realize your name implies you like to stick your finger in ****holes?
who cares about your opinion?

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 mars 2013 - 11:28 .

[Brownfinger]

Anyone who can rub two brain cells together and has some skill with reading comprehension.

Let the grown ups talk, son.

[xtorma]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...

So we got another broken overpowered kit. As always in this situation some of the players starts to ask for a nerf and some oppose them. I’m nerfer, I must admit to that. I’m also proud to be one... This post i dedicated to those that think we are trying to destroy your game. We are not. In fact we are trying to save it even while you can’t see it. 

Have you ask yourself how the game would look like without some of the much needed nerfs?

Well imagine that you just started you first MP game. You have Avenger I on your Hsol level I. Then three Drell Assassins (lev 20) with Black Widow X and Drill Round III come to you Bronze lobby. You will barely see an enemy nevermind killing something for the whole match. Was that fun? I don’t think so... This is what OP kit/weapons do to the game. They make playing other kit/weapons frustrating and unrewarding.  I know I’m exaggerating here but not very much. If there are overpowered kit/weapons in the game all (but the very best) players are forced to use them. You can argue as much as you want but the truth is that we all are a competitive bunch and in order to compete with best weapons/kits most players will be forced to make switch to them. Very soon the best thing about ME3MP it’s variety will be dead and again most of the players will be frustrated/bored by playing always the same way. 

So OP kit/weapons can make game boring/frustrating whenever you use them or not. They will always hurt your gaming experience. But there is another problem:

The OP kit/weapons take you where you shouldn’t be. You’re not ready to play Gold but with them you can.... And the filling is great at the beginning. Then after 20 matches it’s only good  after 50-60 you want to switch to something else. You do..... Only to find yourself being completely unable to play with it. You're dying a lot you burn through supplies like crazy and you're failing a lot of missions, and you're always consistently outscored by almost every one, hardly what you call a fun. So you get back to that one weapon/kit that you can play. You play to the point  you’re sick of it and the game as a whole... The newest broken kit the AIU is great example of that. The combination of Infiltrator TC + Repair Matrix will make sure that you that you take very little aggro and when you make a mistake you won’t pay for it. This kit is making sure you will never learn how to time your attacks, how to protect yourself and how to survive on Gold. This kit is promoting stupid and reckless behavior even on gold. It’s hard to see this a good thing even for aspiring players.... 


So  when arguing with players that support nerfs please keep in mind that we don’t want to destroy the game for you. We are trying to protect the game for you even if that means protecting it from yourself. We love this game very much and we have the knowledge and understanding to see how this game can be broken for everyone with bad balance. You may not see this while you struggling to compete on higher level but believe me, we want to preserve it for you in a longer run...

EDIT: One more time if some one didn't understand : YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME. But i would be nice if you could see there is some logic in this approach and the goal isn't really to RUIN YOUR GAME.

EDIT 2: Again "The Nerfers love this game more than you do" means that some of us wont this game to be fun, nice and appealing for as long as possible not just easily accessible. Also I wanted to make a strong argument about devotions of some of us for this game and that we contributed more time to it that most of other players. If someone was offended by this statement it wasn't my intention and I'm sorry.

Edit 3: I never stated that I want all things nerfed to the grounds... As an example I would say the first Krysea nerf was Ok the Tgi should never got stimps and the nerf was right for him wrong for havoc. As for now I find three things overpowered: unlimited revives on AUI the undead Juggy and Reegar Dps I would buff much more things starting rare AR. But most people will try to badge me as crybaby elitist or nerf-all-lunatic so they don't have to confront with my ideas. And of course I don't represent all Nerfers just dose that agree with me...

Edit 4: I always thought that most players crave for feeling of achievement like when you become a true gold players. It seems that there are a lot of players that are looking for an easy way in. Whenever i see text like "Mind your own business, why do you care how we play etc." what i really see "You're threaten my easy way in and the (probably) undeserved spot I have thanks to that kit/weapon"

Edit 5: There are already quite few Gold level entry classes (TGI, SI, Hsol, N7 Destroyer, N7 Fury, N7 Demolisher, Hinf, Huntress, Kroguard, Barguard and others) for those that are making a switch. I cannot see why there should be classes/weapons that allow everyone to play Gold without effort. Also i cannot why everyone should be able to play gold. And what separates true gold players from silver one is not skills/classes/weapons it's the understanding of basic game mechanics. And you can learn them quite fast from the very forum we are on..

Your logic is like your English - broken and awful.

A new kit
comes along that you feel threatened by it because someone is going to
save a few medi gel, so you cry like toddlers with skinned knees to
restore your presently warped perception of balance. You don't have even
a nebulous grasp on how this kit shapes peoples' gameplay experience,
every single character class is represented by those who play well, and
those who do not. Generalizing and assuming that this kit is just an
apology from Bioware that lets scrubby people do as they please is
narrow thinking. Have I run into ten times as many awful Geth Infiltrators as I have Alliance Unit Infiltrators? You bet. Carried them all. I welcome the challenge, I was happy to do it. This kit isn't going to change the fact that people will have ambitions beyond their skill level. Pug some gold, you'll see. It's going to happen, regardless of the status of this kit. Let them have their fun. You play with your
elitist friends anyway, so why do you care?

Your misguided vision
for what you think is best for everyone else is noted, and disregarded.
The ending to Mass Effect 3 still incites anger in many, but I think people like you are the worst thing to ever happen to this game.

you realize your name implies you like to stick finger in ****holes?
who cares about your opinion?

Or dig in the garden, or work at a printers, or....well you get the point. I guess I may be a little abnormal because his name did not even come close to making me think about someone sticking a finger up thier arse.

[darkpassenger2342]

well then, you might wanna get with the times.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 mars 2013 - 11:30 .

[Brownfinger]

That's one way of admitting you have nothing of value to add to the discussion, I suppose.

[xtorma]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...



well then, you might wanna get with the times.

I don't think I want to.