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[spectral8]

 I cannot continue, I have talked to the two factions and neither will let me go on.
I found Dagon and helped the two fighters reenter the Proving already.

[Cuuniyevo]

What does your journal tell you is the next thing to do? Have you started the Proving yet?

[spectral8]

I just want to know if I have to restart from the beginning since I offered to help both parties!

[Lekwid]

spectral8 wrote...

I just want to know if I have to restart from the beginning since I offered to help both parties!

I think there's a bug if you try to help both at the same time.  It just halts any story progress and you'll most likely have to revert to an earlier save.

[Cuuniyevo]

For my most recent playthrough, I strung both sides along until I came back from the Deep Roads, so I can personally attest to the writers accounting for the possibility of dealing with both sides in detail. If you have tried talking to the Proving Master and he won't let you start the Proving, then yes, you encountered a bug and will probably have to reload a save. Or are you past the Proving already and stuck on Jarvia? Again, what does your journal tell you is the next thing to do?

[CptPatch]

Lekwid wrote...
I think there's a bug if you try to help both at the same time.  It just halts any story progress and you'll most likely have to revert to an earlier save.

Nope.  When you help one, the other just accuses you of being a traitor. (This, oddly, will get you the Achievements of having sided with _both_ Harrowmont and Bhelen.)   What you can NOT do is actually perform all of the tasks for both factions.

[CptPatch]

The breaking point(s) are
A) enter the Proving as Harrowmont's champion.
I don't know. [What can I say? Bhelen is a murdering, lying, cheating schemer. I feel slimy just interacting with either him or Vartag.] I'm guessing having presented the forged documents to BOTH Dacy and Helmi will do the trick and make you persona non grata with Harrowmont.

Modifié par CptPatch, 13 janvier 2010 - 01:27 .

[Cuuniyevo]

SPOILER

















You can fight on Harrowmont's side and still be in Bhelen's good books if you tell Vartag that you only did it to gain Harrowmont's trust and will backstab him later…which you never actually have to do if you don't want to. Both quest lines are still open, in the same way as certain Mage Collective quests have multiple options. I assume that the same trick can be done on the other side if you have enough persuasion.













END SPOILER

[spectral8]

I have given the documents (forged?) to both people for Vartag. I have entered the tournament for Harrowmont. Vartag says to find out what Harrowmont wants next -Backstab Quest opened, BUT Harromont's representitive in the bar won't talk to me and I can't find Harromont anywhere.

I already went back to an earlier save, still confused here.

[Veemel]

It is easy to get into a deadlock if you play both sides, so better just pick a side and run with it if you want to play safe. Not sure on all the exact conditions that will break the game.



Dumb question, did you just enter the proving, or did you actually fight all the way through it?

[spectral8]

Veemel wrote...

It is easy to get into a deadlock if you play both sides, so better just pick a side and run with it if you want to play safe. Not sure on all the exact conditions that will break the game.

Dumb question, did you just enter the proving, or did you actually fight all the way through it?

I played through the Proving, but I have since gone back to an earlier save where the Proving has not begun.
I just didn't want to make a hasty decision on which of the two to pick.

Am I stuck?

[Veemel]

Possibly. Just try if you can move on with the quests of either side. You can still change your choice at the very last moment, though even that may break the game. As the old saying goes; save often, save in different slots.

[PlacidDragon]

I just did that whole questchain, and also made the "mistake" of talking to both factions. I didnt find anything gamebreaking though, and sided with Harrowmont when coming back from the deep.

[spectral8]

I just don't want to go through the whole Proving tournament again and find I can go no further.

Who do I even go to after the tournament? I have two journal entries open, one says goto Vartag, the other Harromont's person, but the other day it seemed like I could get nowhere with either person.

I wish I could kill them both, since I am a rogue character anyway.

[PlacidDragon]

spectral8 wrote...

I just don't want to go through the whole Proving tournament again and find I can go no further.

hehe, that is understandable. I had to do it several times as i found the last fight rather challenging

spectral8 wrote...
Who do I even go to after the tournament? I have two journal entries
open, one says goto Vartag, the other Harromont's person, but the other
day it seemed like I could get nowhere with either person.

I wish I could kill them both, since I am a rogue character anyway.

Lets see, what did i do.. arriving at the proving grounds (after having
talked to both groups), i thought about it for a bit, then declared for
Harrowmont in the fights. If i recall correctly, after the fight Vareg
came up to me and accused me of being a traitor, but i persuaded him
into thinking that i'd done it to gain access to Harrowmont. After
that, i never talked to that faction again (never met Bhelen), and the only thing you have
to be careful of (that i came across) was to not plant any documents on
Jayna's body in the slums, as that is apparently where the Vartag
questchain is leading. Then after going into the deep, pay attention to
the few dialogue options you get (you'll mostly be fighting), and just
remain vague and noncommital. Then when i came back i put the crown on
Harrowmont's head

Modifié par PlacidDragon, 14 janvier 2010 - 08:33 .

[jsachun]

Lekwid wrote...

spectral8 wrote...

I just want to know if I have to restart from the beginning since I offered to help both parties!

I think there's a bug if you try to help both at the same time.  It just halts any story progress and you'll most likely have to revert to an earlier save.

Really, I've done it plenty of times to gain more XP and hasn't happen to me. You can work for both till you put one on the crown with subtle variation to the quest. Afterall their only using you to get to the throne, so why not use them till the ultimate decision. Only bug I noticed is a bug in the quest journal that does not close even after you put the other on the throne.

Modifié par jsachun, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:27 .

[jfrenchy]

this is a bug, and it seems you're lucky to have a save



spoilers:







it occurs when: you finish the proving and give the 2 docs to the two nobles



then when you go to bhelen's man, he won't talk to you unless you say you will be a spy, then when you go to harrowmount's man he says the same thing. essentially it locks you out of the remainder of the dwarf quests (deep roads, anvil)

[jsachun]

jfrenchy wrote...

this is a bug, and it seems you're lucky to have a save

spoilers:



it occurs when: you finish the proving and give the 2 docs to the two nobles

then when you go to bhelen's man, he won't talk to you unless you say you will be a spy, then when you go to harrowmount's man he says the same thing. essentially it locks you out of the remainder of the dwarf quests (deep roads, anvil)

 What about the Carta? You can't just go to dust town & find out about Jarvia's hideout?

[JosieJ]

That quest is bugged for some. Some people won't run into the bug at all, but for some it's gamebreaking.



Having run into it, your best bet is to reload your earlier save, pick one side and stick to it.

[spectral8]

Yes, the game is bugged.

If you give a document to a noble first and then talk to Harromont's guy and help his fighters it locks you out of anything else.

The backstab quests show up, but neither tell you what to do next.

I hate this game!

[ijmorris]

I was playing both sides until after the deep roads, at which point I chose harrowmont...the only bug I had was I could never complete one of the two "Paragon of her kind" quests...One always remained uncomplete...

[Carodej]

Yes, the game is bugged...for some. I am curious if it's a difference on which version you are running. Lots of people have reported the same bug if they try to play both sides, but also many people say that there is no game stopping bug doing it.