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[Pantalaimon]

The only kit that can help new people get used to gold.. sigh..

[Zkyire]

Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Whadya think Cyonan, 5% less movement speed and 5% less damage reduction from the power?

That's what my money is on.

My predictions:

> Small reduction in either DR or Shield Regeneration.
> Massive buffs to Talon and DLC weapons.
> Everybody ignores the Talon/weapons and talks about Repair Matrix.

So much this.

[LegionofRannoch]

lol even if theres a nerf there will still be the infinate medigel so i dont even now why you guys even bother in complaining...

only thing you really did was reduce her speed/DR/capacity/ duration.

my moneys is on duration.

[BridgeBurner]

TheEpicCheese wrote...

The only kit that can help new people get used to gold.. sigh..

Do you know how I got used to gold?

By not being terrible, that's how.

Graal spike thrower I with extended barrel III and spare ammo clip I on a krogan soldier and off I went.

The answer to not being good enough to play gold is not to dumb the game down and babysit terrible players, the answer is to become better at the game.

[stefbomb]

I don't understand why people hate her so much. I've seen so many BAAAAAD AIUs in gold pugs that I know for a fact that she's not the "I win lolz" class some people on BSN make her out to be.

I mostly use RM for the passive buffs since I like not dying in the first place. I wish they could just remove the insta-revive and buff the passives a bit to compensate. Then she'd be just right.

[Original Twigman]

Dunvi wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Dunvi wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Commence with the crying.

Both with it being nerfed and with it not being nerfed hard enough(Though you've already beaten me to that one =P)

Whadya think Cyonan, 5% less movement speed and 5% less damage reduction from the power?

That's what my money is on.

Will not work with Grenade Capacity gear of any kind. 

Will disengage if TC is engaged, so if you want to keep it going, you will have to use it between every Cloak cycle.

Movement speed bonus behaves like Spitfire

To be fair, they should have made it an activated ability, with a cooldown... so you can't rely on it like the noobs do en masse. Making it run off grenades, for theoretically infinite revives is just.... asinine, to an extreme.

It's pretty clear that the devs consider ammo box respawn rates to be a fairly good way of controlling power levels... which I have found is strictly untrue when you get to the highest tiers in this game. As a result, they seem to think that cooldown powers are more powerful than grenade powers, huge mag sizes make up for crap damage/accuracy, and that the harrier and lolreegar are kept in check by their ammo reserves.

isn't like... 75% of the player base on bronze/silver though?

I doubt most of them have even the grenade capacity unlocked considering that the percentage of unlocking things is so small with the massive additions to the store since launch

Yes, 75% of the player base is on bronze/silver, and they will on average be able to get 1 extra grenade with gears, probably. However, I believe ammo box respawn rates are faster on those difficulties, and on bronze you get double grenades. You can get 6 grenades off of some of the boxes on Rio for heaven's sake. I never had grenade restock problems until I started playing gold.

lol... wut? 6 grenades?

you could give a bronze player a Wraith XX with a krogan vanguard and they would still find a way to bleed out.

Even with 10 grenade capacity, i don't see these being able to have the coordination to use their repair matrix before using up their only 2 medi-gels and getting stomped out.

[Original Twigman]

Annomander wrote...

TheEpicCheese wrote...

The only kit that can help new people get used to gold.. sigh..

Do you know how I got used to gold?

By not being terrible, that's how.

Graal spike thrower I with extended barrel III and spare ammo clip I on a krogan soldier and off I went.

The answer to not being good enough to play gold is not to dumb the game down and babysit terrible players, the answer is to become better at the game.

krogan vanguard + geth + reegar

AIU is hardly babysitting

[mistervirginia]

Annomander wrote...

TheEpicCheese wrote...

The only kit that can help new people get used to gold.. sigh..

Do you know how I got used to gold?

By not being terrible, that's how.

Graal spike thrower I with extended barrel III and spare ammo clip I on a krogan soldier and off I went.

The answer to not being good enough to play gold is not to dumb the game down and babysit terrible players, the answer is to become better at the game.

yeah, players need to earn their way to Gold/Plat just like those of us who have been around since day1.  we are decent because we've invested a lot of time into the game.

[MajorStupidity]

stefbomb wrote...

I don't understand why people hate her so much. I've seen so many BAAAAAD AIUs in gold pugs that I know for a fact that she's not the "I win lolz" class some people on BSN make her out to be.

I mostly use RM for the passive buffs since I like not dying in the first place. I wish they could just remove the insta-revive and buff the passives a bit to compensate. Then she'd be just right.

Because anyone who knows how to use her to her potential knows that EDI is insanely powerful. RM gives bloodlust, fortification, and a movement speed bonus all on top of reviving the player if they go down... and they decided to put this power on an infiltrator.

[Arctican]

Dunvi wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Dunvi wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Commence with the crying.

Both with it being nerfed and with it not being nerfed hard enough(Though you've already beaten me to that one =P)

Whadya think Cyonan, 5% less movement speed and 5% less damage reduction from the power?

That's what my money is on.

Will not work with Grenade Capacity gear of any kind. 

Will disengage if TC is engaged, so if you want to keep it going, you will have to use it between every Cloak cycle.

Movement speed bonus behaves like Spitfire

To be fair, they should have made it an activated ability, with a cooldown... so you can't rely on it like the noobs do en masse. Making it run off grenades, for theoretically infinite revives is just.... asinine, to an extreme.

It's pretty clear that the devs consider ammo box respawn rates to be a fairly good way of controlling power levels... which I have found is strictly untrue when you get to the highest tiers in this game. As a result, they seem to think that cooldown powers are more powerful than grenade powers, huge mag sizes make up for crap damage/accuracy, and that the harrier and lolreegar are kept in check by their ammo reserves.

isn't like... 75% of the player base on bronze/silver though?

I doubt most of them have even the grenade capacity unlocked considering that the percentage of unlocking things is so small with the massive additions to the store since launch

Yes, 75% of the player base is on bronze/silver, and they will on average be able to get 1 extra grenade with gears, probably. However, I believe ammo box respawn rates are faster on those difficulties, and on bronze you get double grenades. You can get 6 grenades off of some of the boxes on Rio for heaven's sake. I never had grenade restock problems until I started playing gold.

There's always the danger of landing on Condor with UUG or UUP.

[Dark Tlaloc]

I haven’t had the heart to touch her yet, but I might bring her out to finish off this Platinum extraction challenge; Platinum PUGs are BRUTAL, so I could use all the help I can get. Might as well put this cheap class to use right before the nerf. =0p

[stefbomb]

MajorStupidity wrote...

stefbomb wrote...

I don't understand why people hate her so much. I've seen so many BAAAAAD AIUs in gold pugs that I know for a fact that she's not the "I win lolz" class some people on BSN make her out to be.

I mostly use RM for the passive buffs since I like not dying in the first place. I wish they could just remove the insta-revive and buff the passives a bit to compensate. Then she'd be just right.

Because anyone who knows how to use her to her potential knows that EDI is insanely powerful. RM gives bloodlust, fortification, and a movement speed bonus all on top of reviving the player if they go down... and they decided to put this power on an infiltrator.

Yes I know she's insanely powerful (I easily top charts in plat with her) when used to her full potential, but apart from insta-res she doesn't have much more going for her than the TGI or GI, which are also insanely powerful.

Modifié par stefbomb, 05 mars 2013 - 07:36 .

[rlro]

TheEpicCheese wrote...

The only kit that can help new people get used to gold.. sigh..

What about Kroguard/Krontinel/Braguard/Jugg? All of them are easy mode kits.

AIU actually does not help people get used to gold, quite the contrary: she makes players careless and makes impossible for those players to play other classes on gold after that because they will keep dying all the time.

[xtorma]

Weapons were definatly needed, AIU does't matter much so no big deal there. Really hope they do the weapons justice.

[BridgeBurner]

Original Stikman wrote...

Annomander wrote...

TheEpicCheese wrote...

The only kit that can help new people get used to gold.. sigh..

Do you know how I got used to gold?

By not being terrible, that's how.

Graal spike thrower I with extended barrel III and spare ammo clip I on a krogan soldier and off I went.

The answer to not being good enough to play gold is not to dumb the game down and babysit terrible players, the answer is to become better at the game.

krogan vanguard + geth + reegar

AIU is hardly babysitting

It is. Part of the learning curve of gold is knowing your limitations. A kit which has virtually no fear of dying as it gets right back up again is the definition of babysitting. Kroguard never dying and killing / moving slowly, is just the same as dying and getting right back up again as if nothing had actually happened whilst killing much quicker and moving much quicker.

Modifié par Annomander, 05 mars 2013 - 07:38 .

[COLZ7R]

Really any nerff wont effect the good players , it will only effect the "little people/scrubs) who are doing better than normal,right? So who cares! Mission sucsses!!!!

[Cyonan]

stefbomb wrote...

Yes I know she's insanely powerful (I easily top charts in plat with her) when used to her full potential, but apart from insta-res she doesn't have much more going for her than the TGI or GI, which are also insanely powerful.

instant-revive is a pretty big deal =P

The TGI and AIU are overpowered though because they have both top notch damage output as well as top notch survivability.

Compare that to the Kroguard who has top notch survivability but only top notch damage output with a specific weapon(which this is more the weapon's fault than the Kroguard's).

[RoundedPlanet88]

This nerf will hopefully let xXbillybobthefifteenthXx rest in peace.

[Original Twigman]

Annomander wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Annomander wrote...

TheEpicCheese wrote...

The only kit that can help new people get used to gold.. sigh..

Do you know how I got used to gold?

By not being terrible, that's how.

Graal spike thrower I with extended barrel III and spare ammo clip I on a krogan soldier and off I went.

The answer to not being good enough to play gold is not to dumb the game down and babysit terrible players, the answer is to become better at the game.

krogan vanguard + geth + reegar

AIU is hardly babysitting

It is. Part of the learning curve of gold is knowing your limitations. A kit which has virtually no fear of dying as it gets right back up again is the definition of babysitting. Kroguard never dying and killing / moving slowly, is just the same as dying and getting right back up again as if nothing had actually happened.

K, long as you recognize that other kits have the same "babysitting" capacity, its fine with me.

[BridgeBurner]

Cyonan wrote...

stefbomb wrote...

Yes I know she's insanely powerful (I easily top charts in plat with her) when used to her full potential, but apart from insta-res she doesn't have much more going for her than the TGI or GI, which are also insanely powerful.

instant-revive is a pretty big deal =P

The TGI and AIU are overpowered though because they have both top notch damage output as well as top notch survivability.

Compare that to the Kroguard who has top notch survivability but only top notch damage output with a specific weapon(which this is more the weapon's fault than the Kroguard's).

Agreed. Tanky characters should need to sacrifice something for their tanking abilties. The TGI and AIU get to have their cake and eat it; a luxury a lot of other kits cannot enjoy.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Finally I can play her without feeling guilty..I mean I will feel a bit but not as much.

I used to play as an infiltrator a lot when I was a noob. When I got better, I realized that Infiltrators = Easymode. Hence I only use them on Platinum or when I am really bored or when I am pissed and want to rage.

[snackrat]

This could be a good thing. It is currently a little overkill. But I doubt they'll hit it right first time. It'll be either stim-level, which is basically nothing, or krysae-level, which obliterates any reason to take that class at all.

[DHKany]

The second people call the AIU "useless" because of a minor nerf........ sigh. I guess itll just be another day on BSN.

Another war shall commence. The Repair Matrix Revolt.

[Dunvi]

stefbomb wrote...

I don't understand why people hate her so much. I've seen so many BAAAAAD AIUs in gold pugs that I know for a fact that she's not the "I win lolz" class some people on BSN make her out to be.

I mostly use RM for the passive buffs since I like not dying in the first place. I wish they could just remove the insta-revive and buff the passives a bit to compensate. Then she'd be just right.

how many freaking times do I have to say it? I hate playing with AIUs in part because it isn't an I win class. If it were, at least those useless randoms would contribute to the freaking DPS. Instead it just lets people be stupid and reckless, and if I'm playing a grenade class (which constitute 1/3rd of the classes in the game), they also actively hurt MY dps so they can do something they should be able to do anyway - SURVIVE.

And BTW, you should try learning what a number is. You could take out the insta-revive and her DPS would still be one of the highest in the game, not to mention she would still have insane survivability. If the devs give her any sort of buff to "balance" the nerf, then I will give up my usual defending of them and call them insane idiots.

Modifié par Dunvi, 05 mars 2013 - 07:46 .