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[CrashFu]

 I found it so much more fun to max out everything else and ignore that. Maxed out cloak for shotgun damage and cooldown is getting all of my power useage because I'm firing it off before EVERY shot of my Claymore, Repair Matrix maxed out for damage reduction, shield regen and movement speed so I can be unstoppable, the uh... non-fitness passive maxed out for weapon damage, and fitness maxed out for heavy-melee-activated buffs.

When you can one-or-two-shot anything in the fricken game with your claymore, why would you even need to run around spamming "vanilla frosting blast" at the enemy every three seconds, the way most people play the AIU?

[121andrew]

I thought that Snap Freeze, and other cold-related powers debuff armour.

[Theghostof_timmy]

121andrew wrote...

I thought that Snap Freeze, and other cold-related powers debuff armour.

This, and, you know, you can shoot Snap freeze and the claymore right after and still get the cloak bonus on both, plus the debuff and CC capability?

[BlackDahlia424]

Plus, peddro said that the shotgun damage bonus is inconsistent if you fire off a snap freeze from cloak before shooting. It might be situationally useful if you need it for crowd control.

[Nissun]

Armor debuff.

Sometimes it means the difference between being able to kill a Ravager in two shots, or being able to kill a Ravager in one shot. More efficient.

However, if there are biotics on the team, DON'T SPAM SNAP FREEZE AS FAST AS YOU CAN because all they'll be able to do is detonate cryo explosions, and it would be much better for everyone if you let them prime and detonate the more powerful biotic ones.

[lightswitch]

Because you can rush a group of 3 enemies, stagger them, chill them, debuff them, and then have your way with them.

Extra lulz if someone on your team is using a detonator.

And to Andrew, it doesn't 'debuff' armor, it weakens armor, which is quite different and the same effect can be gotten with armor piercing mods and ammo.

The actual debuff is a 10% damage multiplier to all targets, and it's in evo 5b. The armor weakening evo is in 6a.

Modifié par lightswitch, 05 mars 2013 - 07:01 .

[rlro]

Because it is one of the best crowd control powers in the game and also one of the best debuffers

Also, because you don't need all that fitness for you simply can't die.

[121andrew]

lightswitch wrote...

Because you can rush a group of 3 enemies, stagger them, chill them, debuff them, and then have your way with them.

Extra lulz is someone on your team is using a detonator.

And to Andrew, it doesn't 'debuff' armor, it weakens armor, which is quite different and the same effect can be gotten with armor piercing mods and ammo.

Not to sound stupid, but what is debuff supposed to mean then?
I know in the literal sense it can mean to strip an enemy of any "buffs" it has, but I've heard it used on these forums as "armour debuffing" before.

EDIT: You just edited your post and then used the word "debuff" in the same sense that I was. What?

Modifié par 121andrew, 05 mars 2013 - 07:04 .

[Aerowind]

Not to mention it's a horribly good primer. I'll run my Paladin just snap freezing everything while my buddy with his demolisher detonates the crowd with grenades. If you have any power users in the game at all, there will be cryo explosions left and right.

121andrew wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Because you can rush a group of 3 enemies, stagger them, chill them, debuff them, and then have your way with them. 

Extra lulz is someone on your team is using a detonator.

And to Andrew, it doesn't 'debuff' armor, it weakens armor, which is quite different and the same effect can be gotten with armor piercing mods and ammo.

Not to sound stupid, but what is debuff supposed to mean then?
I know in the literal sense it can mean to strip an enemy of any "buffs" it has, but I've heard it used on these forums as "armour debuffing" before.

EDIT: You just edited your post and then used the word "debuff" in the same sense that I was. What?

It's the opposite of a buff.  i.e. something that makes the enemy weaker.

Modifié par Aerowind, 05 mars 2013 - 07:05 .

[Dalakaar]

After trying with and without snap freeze I gotta say I love the freeze. If you're playing with any other class that has even one tech ability you can set up so much. With her mobility on top of that the range is easy to manage.

I'll say this though, she's one of the toughest characters to spec I've come across. Lots of good choices. Kinda wish she wasn't shunted into shotgun damage for R6 Cloak. She'd be a fun sniper bouncing backwards all the time.

Actually she's just fun to bounce around with flat out.

[Dee V3]

Lol.

[121andrew]

Aerowind wrote...

Not to mention it's a horribly good primer. I'll run my Paladin just snap freezing everything while my buddy with his demolisher detonates the crowd with grenades. If you have any power users in the game at all, there will be cryo explosions left and right.

121andrew wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Because you can rush a group of 3 enemies, stagger them, chill them, debuff them, and then have your way with them. 

Extra lulz is someone on your team is using a detonator.

And to Andrew, it doesn't 'debuff' armor, it weakens armor, which is quite different and the same effect can be gotten with armor piercing mods and ammo.

Not to sound stupid, but what is debuff supposed to mean then?
I know in the literal sense it can mean to strip an enemy of any "buffs" it has, but I've heard it used on these forums as "armour debuffing" before.

EDIT: You just edited your post and then used the word "debuff" in the same sense that I was. What?

It's the opposite of a buff.  i.e. something that makes the enemy weaker.

Which basically means saying "to debuff armour" is the same as "to weaken armour".....

[kipac]

Raider two quick shots -> SF -> (auto reload during SF) another two quick shots.

That's two shots (TC damage + extra shotgun damage) -> SF (TC damage) -> another two shots (TC damage + SF debuff).

Works for claymore too.

Snap freeze is cooool like that.

[Dee V3]

kipac wrote...

Raider two quick shots -> SF -> (auto reload during SF) another two quick shots.

That's two shots (TC damage + extra shotgun damage) -> SF (TC damage) -> another two shots (TC damage + SF debuff).

Works for claymore too.

Snap freeze is cooool like that.

Thank you. I wondered if anyone realized this yet.

[Reizo Ryuu]

I hardly use it, I've only put 3 pity points into it; I've only found it useful for when I lost track of that cloaked phantom.

[Original Twigman]

Flaming Snake wrote...

If you're not using a 6/6/6/6/0 build, you're missing out.

srs...

plus a cloaked claymore shot with consumables does + headshot damage + all weapon bonuses overkills more than half of th enemies by several thousand points of damage....

I don't understand this efficiency

[lightswitch]

121andrew wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Because you can rush a group of 3 enemies, stagger them, chill them, debuff them, and then have your way with them.

Extra lulz is someone on your team is using a detonator.

And to Andrew, it doesn't 'debuff' armor, it weakens armor, which is quite different and the same effect can be gotten with armor piercing mods and ammo.

Not to sound stupid, but what is debuff supposed to mean then?
I know in the literal sense it can mean to strip an enemy of any "buffs" it has, but I've heard it used on these forums as "armour debuffing" before.

EDIT: You just edited your post and then used the word "debuff" in the same sense that I was. What?

Yeah, I'm not writing very clearly, just woke up, sorry. Of course we're talking about video game slang, so there's technically not a 'correct' form.

When I said it doesn't debuff armor, well that's not true, what I meant was it doesn't debuff ONLY armor, it debuffs armor just as much as it debuffs shields and health. Of course the debuff works on everything.

I have some seen some confusion in other threads from people thinking the armor weakening in evo 6a was the all-important debuff, when it's actually 5b because 6a barely matters (for that purpose) if you're using a heavy barrel and drill rounds (for example).

I mean, when I use the AIU, I spray Snap Freeze at everything. Really, everything. I just can't stop myself. 

Wanna know a secret though? I don't even take the debuff. I prefer the 35% movement speed reduction.

[N7 Spectre525]

I love the sound of enemies breaking like glass.

[himohillo]

Or you could just man up and give up your health and go maximum damage.

Who needs health anyway when there's no one shooting you?

[Xaijin]

herculeswill22 wrote...

121andrew wrote...

I thought that Snap Freeze, and other cold-related powers debuff armour.

This, and, you know, you can shoot Snap freeze and the claymore right after and still get the cloak bonus on both, plus the debuff and CC capability?

You don't even need health for platinum, much less any other level.

[OO629]

 That huge slow down effect helps when you are surrounded. Also -50% armor defense.

[lightswitch]

You know, I would bet $5 all the people saying "zero fitness" is the reason the AIU can be consistently found bleeding out on the ground in pugs.

[whalewhisker]

lol snap freeze is one of the best powers in the game

[himohillo]

lightswitch wrote...

You know, I would bet $5 all the people saying "zero fitness" is the reason the AIU can be consistently found bleeding out on the ground in pugs.

>AIU
>Bleeding out

Pick one.