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[ItsRed]

Since the New DLC came out I've played 60 something hours purely to get one of three things, The Geth Juggernaut, The Reeger Carbine or the Krogan Warlord. Today I finally got the Warlord. However, I'm a tad unhappy with it. Here's the problems I have when trying to play the Krolord on Platinum...

• Having trouble getting my Rage started. On Platinum, I find it's far too hard to kill even two enemies in quick succession, purely do to the amount of pressure from having six bosses piling on top on me at once. Even trying to run past them, to smash some husks or cannibals, usually results in an OHKO and given that without his Rage going the Krolord is about as tough as tissue paper in the shower, this is quite a problem.
• Balancing Damage and Distance from bosses. Given that the Krolord can be OHKO'd (Even by Phantoms which seems a little rediculous to me given their size) it requires an extreme amount of familiarity with the animations in order to know when to run in all "Hurr-durr I'ma hammer your face in" and when to run screaming like a littile b!tch. Compared to the Juggernaut, the Krolord has the same survivability as a Husk. Don't even get me started on what it's like to play off-host as a Krolord.
• Scoring High compared to other Characters. As you can probably tell, I don't score all to high playing as a Krolord. However, when I play my Quarian Male Infiltrator, I come first on the scoreboard on most Platinum games I play. It seems to me that the Krolord should be a high scorer due to his apparent ability to 'Solo' multiple bosses at once. I just don't see the point in playing a Krolord when other Characters are far superior and easier to do well with. Before anyone raises the "But the Krolord is fun to play, even when you play badly" Argument. I just want to point out how much of a pain in the arse it is to constantly revive someone who dies in the middle of four or more bosses. I've been on both ends of this situatuion.

If BW were to buff the Krolord with OHKO immunity, much like the Geth Juggernaut, whilst reducing his damage (Or something equally balancing) I feel he'd be a much easier character to score highly with. And to counter the obligatory "But then he'll be so OP" I'd like to point out how OP the AIU and the GJ are currently. Perhaps I'm playing him wrong but in Platinum I've not seen a Krolord come top Scorer so far. Score may not be everything but he's not a tank or a healer (GJ/Volus) and so he should be killing lots and ergo have a high score.

Tl;dr -> The Krolord is harder to play well than other classes and so the steep learning curve isn't worth learning. Just play something easier and make it easier for everyone else in Platinum games.

 *Hides behind Flame Shield*

[Crimson Vanguard]

I played Krolord in Plat fine. Btw Platinum already trivialized a lot of kits and builds.

[Pyth the Bull]

Your opinions =/= Fact

[Happy Shepard]

See those stairs?

[JediHarbinger]

I kick some serious ass on him on gold.

Did plat and i still kicked some serious ass.

Someone is looking like an ass somewhere around here and it isnt me bruh

Modifié par JediHarbinger, 05 mars 2013 - 11:25 .

[robarcool]

No. You need to play him intelligently rather than charging like a grunt with no situational awareness.

Modifié par robarcool, 05 mars 2013 - 11:27 .

[ItsRed]

robarcool wrote...

No. You need to play him intelligently rather than charging like a brainless grunt.

I understand that much. My problem is that its much easier to play an Infiltrator without being intelligent than it is a Krolord and that majority of players that I've seen, myself included, can't play the Krolord for sh!t and end up OHKO'd every wave or constantly down pressuring the team to run into the middle of everything to revive. Theres the occasional good or great Krolord player but I don't like the odds of getting one.

[BeardyMcGoo]

ItsRed wrote...

[*]Having trouble getting my Rage started. On Platinum, I find it's far too hard to kill even two enemies in quick succession

There's your problem.

[iceurnner5326]

my friend played it on platinum and was getting sync killed constantly

[Rinorim]

so... unlike every other poster on here that obviously thinks you can't play the game correctly. I agree with you, and I understand what you mean. The rage condition can be qwelled by taking the 5 evo in warlord rage tree; that helps a lot. Then you only need one kill, and that helps with generic survivability.

Although you could stay at a distance to take out bosses... on Platinum, the majority of enemies are bosses... so we have to stay at a distance from almost everyone? Then why even give him a hammer?

Yes we could use the gun more often, but the fact remains that he is the only character with a hammer... he can't take cover, and he is as big as the geth juggernaut. If he's given sync kill immunity, that should balance him out just fine. It isn't hard to take enough damage as him to go down; it only takes a few prime shots or ravager rounds. OHKO immunity is just enough to actually give him a chance to fight in platinum.

[Dalakaar]

Worked with a good one while on my gethnaut. I tanked, he "snuck" up behind whatever I was tanking and dropped it, rinse repeat. There was a tiny volus running between our feet spamming shield boost and other tiny powers too small to notice.

Fun times.

[Xaijin]

They don't need to change his damage potential, they either need to give him mobility control or AoE through terrain like most burst effects or sync immunity. Any two of those would be fine.

[Xaijin]

robarcool wrote...

No. You need to play him intelligently rather than charging like a grunt with no situational awareness.

Assumptive and has no bearing on the kit.

[ItsRed]

Dala Kaar wrote...

Worked with a good one while on my gethnaut. I tanked, he "snuck" up behind whatever I was tanking and dropped it, rinse repeat. There was a tiny volus running between our feet spamming shield boost and other tiny powers too small to notice.

Fun times.

Theres no denying how powerful the Krolord is with a Tank and Healer but in Platinum Pugs the chance of getting all 3 together at once is too low.

[robarcool]

Xaijin wrote...

robarcool wrote...

No. You need to play him intelligently rather than charging like a grunt with no situational awareness.

Assumptive and has no bearing on the kit.

The OP talks about being killed as Krolord consistently. That means he is charging, because melee is the prominent way to kill using krolord and most people think they are unkillable and go around ignoring soft cover.

[IndigoVitare]

The game isn't balanced around Platinum, it's balanced around Gold. Platinum is basically boss rush mode. Countering armour becomes even more important and manipulative biotics (the ones that still work anyway) like Stasis and Lash become as useless as Pull. Things that work on other difficulties don't work, likewise things that work on Platinum don't necessarily work against hoards of health/shield enemies.

Does this apply to Gold? That's what's actually relevent for balance.

[mybudgee]

Be careful and tactical.
/thread

[iOnlySignIn]

JediHarbinger wrote...

I kick some serious ass on him on gold.

Did plat and i still kicked some serious ass.

Someone is looking like an ass somewhere around here and it isnt me bruh

You go and kick him.

[Rinorim]

robarcool wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

robarcool wrote...

No. You need to play him intelligently rather than charging like a grunt with no situational awareness.

Assumptive and has no bearing on the kit.

The OP talks about being killed as Krolord consistently. That means he is charging, because melee is the prominent way to kill using krolord and most people think they are unkillable and go around ignoring soft cover.

Not necessarily true, even if you use soft cover and let your shields regenerate all day long, they still go down incredibly fast when you pop out to take a hit of any kind. I agree that the earlier remark is an assumption on the player, and it's basically just rude.

[FlowCytometry]

My idea was to give him a step anim- it doesn't give DR like a normal dodge, to discourage spamming, but moves him just enough and/or he has SK immunity only during the anim. I dun just want to 'freebie' give something as big as passive SK immunity to a kit that can still run and OHKO non-bosses, but if you can handle it, he could still avoid SKs.

Burst fire from multiple bosses.. well that's for the player to figure out. But its platinum.. I can't help ya much if ur goal is to make every kit plat viable (while not unbalancing them everywhere else). That's way too much work.

Modifié par FlowCytometry, 05 mars 2013 - 11:49 .

[Dalakaar]

IndigoVitare wrote...

The game isn't balanced around Platinum, it's balanced around Gold.

=/ Uhuh.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

I have not used the Krolord on Plat at all yet. I know he is a powerful character, but he's still a melee character. I understand the OP's point. I imagine you can't play him as aggressively as a Krolord should be played in many scenarios on Plat.

[ItsRed]

robarcool wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

robarcool wrote...

No. You need to play him intelligently rather than charging like a grunt with no situational awareness.

Assumptive and has no bearing on the kit.

The OP talks about being killed as Krolord consistently. That means he is charging, because melee is the prominent way to kill using krolord and most people think they are unkillable and go around ignoring soft cover.

He's slow as hell, even trying to make it to the cover usually involves running past a boss or two which for me invariably leads to a lovely surprise fisting from a Banshee/Phantom or a good pounding from a Ravager/Scion/Prime. I'm not saying I avoid taking cover as a Krolord- Just that the Smash and Run tactic has a low success rate for me. I suck with the Krolord, the point of the thread is that compared to other classes, he's far too easy to such with.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Why do people think he needs sync-kill immunity? He's fine as is. He's got a gun and is in no way limited to the hammer. Besides, the game is in no way based around the boss spam that is Platinum; if you want to do well in Platinum, you need a kit that's good against bosses. The Krolord is not that kit. Simple as that.

[ItsRed]

IndigoVitare wrote...

The game isn't balanced around Platinum, it's balanced around Gold.

I always thought the point was to master the hardest difficulty and unlock everything... Krolord is great on Gold. Needs buffing for Platinum <-- Original Point I made