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[Atucker_a32]

 Me personally, the first time I saw it was a clone my heart dropped a bit because an evil clone kind of feels like a cliche to me(this could be because the day before I was playing arkham city and I had just done the identity thief mission). I'm not saying they didn't pull it off incredibly but I became worried about the success of the dlc when I saw the clone, they did however have a good explanation for his/her existence and very good writing around it.

What was all of your first reactions to seeing the clone?

[David7204]

I didn't like it at all.

[Dilandau3000]

Yeah, it's a bit cliché, but I also completely did not see it coming.

I thought it was handled pretty well, as well.

[Eterna]

I liked it for the message it was trying to convey. The message being, what makes your Shepard so powerful and special.

[Commander Castillo]

I thought it was really well done

[SyK18]

First reaction - Lame
Then - Lame...but Bioware played it out good.

Still thought Batarians would have been better villians for this dlc.

[Rikketik]

I was... less then enthusiastic when I first read about it, but playing it myself really changed my opinion. While not outright excellent, it's done well enough to keep the mission interesting and I thought the final boss battle was simply fantastic.

[GoldFlsh]

Loved it. Did not see it coming at all. However, I was SO worried this secret faction would just be indoctrinated or something silly, so I was SO happy at this alternative. I was getting bored of all the bad guys being indoctrinated reaper drones.

I thought it was handled really well, as well.

Eterna5 wrote...

I liked it for the message it was trying to convey. The message being, what makes your Shepard so powerful and special.

^

[Neeh]

Bit meh during the reveal, but they played it out really well and overall it was quite good ^^

[Maxga]

Loved it. I couldn't have expected that to happen and I felt it was done well.

[llandwynwyn]

I love it. Yes, it's a cliche but, let's be honest, knowing how Cerberus operates it wouldn't make sense if project Lazarus didn't had a backup. Before ME3, I used to kid with a friend that Tim would send us a genderbended Shepclone.

[Thrazesul]

I started to see it at some point before it was revealed... how come it was a female antagonist when in the trailer it had been male and in a friend's it was a male too. Only difference was that my shep is female.

Also I had seen the thread here mentioning a clone somewhere. But I didn't want to believe them.

A clone sounds a bit... far fetched for my taste, not too fond of it, but.... to be honest I consider this dlc not fully canon and after my ending at least. It seemed so... humerous and sometimes out of place. xD

But still good.

[TudorWolf]

 It was cliche, but still fun.

The juxtaposition of what Shep could have been without the friends and experience was nice too. I reckon that was the plan, since this dlc was all about Shep's friends and family

[TheGreatDayne]

): I kind of felt bad for the clone... being used as a vessel to farm organs... I'd be mad at me too...

But, she touched my hamster! And model ships! Yeah, it got personal! So I kicked her off my ship!

[liggy002]

This plot is generic and overutilized in science fiction in my opinion. Still, the Clone Shep was a real big jerk and made for a good villain.

[Dean_the_Young]

Eterna5 wrote...

I liked it for the message it was trying to convey. The message being, what makes your Shepard so powerful and special.

I know that's what they wanted to do, but I'm not really sure what the answer was supposed to be. The closest answer is 'friends' at the end scene, but otherwise... luck? 'I'm the player character', if we're meta-gaming?

Considering how most of the DLC had Shepard being played, surviving on luck, and the Clone came closer to beating Shepard than, well, just about everyone else in the ME universe, I don't think skill or intelligence could really qualify.

[Doommarine23]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I liked it for the message it was trying to convey. The message being, what makes your Shepard so powerful and special.

I know that's what they wanted to do, but I'm not really sure what the answer was supposed to be. The closest answer is 'friends' at the end scene, but otherwise... luck? 'I'm the player character', if we're meta-gaming?

Considering how most of the DLC had Shepard being played, surviving on luck, and the Clone came closer to beating Shepard than, well, just about everyone else in the ME universe, I don't think skill or intelligence could really qualify.

TL:DR = Friends, Value, Comradeship, Overall Identity and Meaning.

I'm not going to get into a debate about the DLC's story intentions, canon crediability, and if it is a story you need to see on a meta sense.

But purely going off of it, I suppose there is a lot of things. Shepard has a lot of care and support, it's not just  him/her that makes them great, its also  those bonds, those squadmates, friends, comrades, that make him/her strong. Its the love, respect and help of others. Your clone? Was confused, and cast into a world where the only "friend" he has is a manipulative woman who in his final moments, in a parallel to your friends, leaves him to die. He has no reason, no purpose to live, he is a nobody. He has no friends, no family, no loved-ones, no one to support him.  Honestly, I think another great parallel is just Him/Her Vs Your Shepard. Not just on a personality level, but also on a level of comrade-ship. I already described this, but think on a squad level. You have people that are loyal, respect you, care about you, love you. He? Has nothing more than a bunch of paid mercs. A hallow shell of what you possess.

This isn't even going into how he was "born" or created, how his life formed compared to yours. when you think about it, he is problaby not only manipulated, but also extremely fragile. Just because his body is fully-grown, does not mean his mind is. Grunt, while normal functioning, is a great example of this.

(Don't forget, your Shepard had a lot of people in their live besides squad-mates, like all your side allies like Anderson, all the side characters, and anyone else during the formation of their  life up to the events of ME1. You ahd a purpose, you had meaning, you had identity).

Modifié par Doommarine23, 06 mars 2013 - 12:19 .

[N7Gold]

I wasn't expecting it at all.

[andy6915]

From what I've heard (haven't played it yet), it gives you one of the best fights in the entire series. I'd say that counts for something.

[Darkelefantos1]

People were honestly not expecting something like this? Colour me shocked, really. I saw those guys in the restaurant with their armour and their Sabers and I was like, well either the Alliance wants me dead or they are former Alliance. And then it wasn't that big of a jump to guess the clone.

Nonetheless, they handled the cliché well. Since the clone isn't technically "evil". He is different. He is what Shepard would be without his crew/friends. And it really shows in the end, so much that I wanted to spare him.

[De1ta G]

Might have been cliché but I didn't care, and still don't. I thought it just added to the humor and silliness of dlc. I was laughing so much during the missions that I couldn't think straight. And then the boss fight at the end, I thought was epic.

[xija]

At first I wasn't a fan of it... but after playing through the DLC I started warming up to the idea and enjoyed the whole story arch.

[3DandBeyond]

TheGreatDayne wrote...

): I kind of felt bad for the clone... being used as a vessel to farm organs... I'd be mad at me too...

But, she touched my hamster! And model ships! Yeah, it got personal! So I kicked her off my ship!

The idea of the clone being mad at Shepard is rather nonsense.  The anger should it seems for many reasons be more directed at TIM.  First off, he created her and then he abandoned her in favor of the "real deal".  And this clone no matter what has no paragon instincts?  I'm not saying all of this wouldn't maker her bitter and all, but I'd think somewhere in there there would be different kinds of feelings based upon the kind of Sheparad the original was-chemistry and all. 

Yeah, I'd be mad at being used for spare parts, but one example stands out-Miranda.  Ori was created to be a more perfect version of her and she was the older model.  Miranda was generally mad at everyone at first but really specifically mad at her father and not at all mad at Ori. Sure, Ori was the clone but she's similar to "real" Shepard because she was the one their father wanted.

[MattFini]

I enjoyed it a lot.

[Shad Croly]

Eterna5 wrote...

I liked it for the message it was trying to convey. The message being, what makes your Shepard so powerful and special.

That, and if you play a Paragon, the clone is a way better example of a dark Renegade counterpart to Shepard than Tela Vasir was in ME2.