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[dreamgazer]

MrDbow wrote...

First reaction:


Then I was:


By the end I was:

Yeah, that's pretty accurate.

[wolfsite]

Well I can see why they went this way, it allowed for a lot of great dialogue and for the team to poke fun at Shepard him/herself and about things in the ME Universe.  In the end it was all fun.

[Mcfly616]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I know it's really dumb to pick apart an "evil clone" plot-line, but one thing I kept wondering was why you needed a fully functional clone for spare parts. Couldn't you just grow a heart or a leg in a vat with Shep's DNA?

ever seen that movie "The Island" starring Ewan McGregor and Scarlet Johansson? Your question is answered in it.

[CptData]

Now that I think of it ...

More than a year ago, before the official release and with knowledge of the leaked script, some guys including myself developed a "Shepard is a clone theory". I even toyed with it a bit and wrote some short dialogues - I think they're all in the Ashley-Character-Thread in the now-closed Characters-Forum. Or was it a short snippet? Can't remember.

Well, and now we have it: Clone!Shepard and Real!Shepard.

Did BW just took that idea? O.o

Modifié par CptData, 06 mars 2013 - 11:45 .

[Aurora313]

My true thoughts? A victim of tragic circumstance and some combination of brainwashing and mental conditioning. Science Fiction oft portrays a clone of some character as an evil counterpart to the original. Usually to serve as the protagonist's. However, it doesn't change the fact that Shepard's clone was still a person that could have potentially become a great ally, or a pretty damned dangerous rival that could - and did - put Kai Leng to shame if he were intergrated fully into the game. But since creation, he knew that his only purpose was to serve as 'spare parts' for the original. No doubt, it took its toll on his developing psyche, culminating in his ultimate goal to supplant the original. Naive and cheesy as this sounds, if someone said to him that Shepard didn't have to define who he was, then he woulda turned out a hell of a lot different in my opinion.

[HBC Dresden]

MEGoWH777 wrote...

Was anyone else dissapointed that there was no cliche scene, where shepards LI has a gun, shep and his clone are unnarmed. Both try to convice her that they're the real shepard and she has to decide which one to shoot.

Since the DLC was going the not-taking-itself-seriously route, I totally thought this too, except Joker would have to decide which is the real Shepard. But at the same time, the Clone was obvious with his/her... behavior.

[BleedingUranium]

GoldFlsh wrote...

Loved it. Did not see it coming at all. However, I was SO worried this secret faction would just be indoctrinated or something silly, so I was SO happy at this alternative. I was getting bored of all the bad guys being indoctrinated reaper drones.

I thought it was handled really well, as well.

Eterna5 wrote...

I liked it for the message it was trying to convey. The message being, what makes your Shepard so powerful and special.

^

The evil villains being evil villains is silly to you? Whatever you say buddy.

[Col.Aurion]

wright1978 wrote...

Xytonic wrote...

When I saw that, my reaction was basically, "Really? That's where we're going with this? An Evil Twin™?" I really enjoyed the Citadel DLC overall, but I think it would have been a lot better with a different antagonist.

Agree completely with this

thirded

[Kataphrut94]

At first I thought it was kind of stupid, but this DLC is all about having a few laughs and not taking itself seriously, so it was okay. At the end of the day, she was actually quite cool as an antagonist and I liked how she mirrored my class during the fight.

I played an Adept with Wrex and Garrus backing me up and still got the crap kicked out of me. I'm frightened at the thought of fighting a Vanguard version of her.

[LeandroBraz]

At first I didn't like, then I payed attention, into that scene, the DLC had a tone of comedy, it wasn't serious, and while the story progresses, the DLC itself was joking about how ridiculous a clone villain is.

It's a joke, there's no reason to analyse it from a more serious approach. it's ridiculous and probably will sound more ridiculous as you dig on his story, but that's the point, that was the idea...

[LeandroBraz]

dreamgazer wrote...

MrDbow wrote...

First reaction:


Then I was:


By the end I was:

Yeah, that's pretty accurate.

Extremely accurate.

[Nicksta92]

I liked it a lot, most particularly because the boss fight was in my opinion the best in the trilogy (or at the same level as the Saren fight on the Citadel).

[KangDo]

I mentioned this in another thread but I absolutely loved it.  With the tone and the concept behind this DLC, I couldn't have asked for a better and more fitting villain for the final DLC.  Sure it was cheesy and considering the rest of the mission's tone, I expected nothing less.  It also summarized what got me into the series in the first place.

One of the main things when I first played ME1 that
drew me in was seeing a character that I personally created come alive
in a way that no other game had done before.  Now I get to see that
character come alive as a villain.  I personally thought it was an amazing feeling.

It was a relief finally seeing Shepard fight a villain that wasn't a giant robot or its little henchman representative host who's just put in to keep the fight looking fair.  Plus it resulted in cool moments like seeing a Shepard vs Shepard battle.  Seeing my clone use my tactics was the kind of moment that gives me chills.  There couldn't have been a better setting than on the Normany itself.

There were a thousand different villain guesses that everyone had for a villain and I'm glad it ended up not being any of them.  Every single one of them wouldn't have had as enjoyable of a final fight and would've resulted in a bunch of "why didn't they use X character instead" feels.  Overall, the DLC was meant to not be too plot heavy so I'm glad they went with a villain that wasn't plot heavy either but at the same time, didn't feel throwaway to me at all.

[Massa FX]

I loved it. What's not to love?

Poor clone didn't have a chance.

[Bill Casey]

KangDo wrote...

There were a thousand different villain guesses that everyone had for a villain and I'm glad it ended up not being any of them.

A number of people guessed Shepard's clone...

[NeonFlux117]

I really enjoyed the cheezy plot and goofyness of the clone and Shep and crew. I thought it was great.


Now if were going to get serious. Lets do it.

If Shepard can be cloned. Like any other organic. Then he can be indoctrinated......... Okay, that's enough of that. Back to the goofiness and awesomeness of the DLC.


I liked the clone. I thought he was funny and so was Shepard. Shep's funny side came out in this DLC.

Remember when glyph was like "you clone has a message for you, blah blah... Then clone sheps like, okay go droid go" funny stuff. This DLC was so good.

[CronoDragoon]

MrDbow wrote...

First reaction:


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By the end I was:

[Absaroka]

I didn't mind it since I feel the dlc as a whole isn't meant to be taken too seriously.  Though the plot point of Shepard being Shepard in part because of his/her friends seemed a bit too heavy-handed, especially since it's quite possible to have a total **** Shepard who only has Liara, James and EDI as being alive and you don't really need to be nice to any of them throughout any part of the Trilogy.  It would have been better if you could choose from multiple answers as to what the clone lacked (similar to the toast with Chakwas in 2) with friends being one response, but also have more snide or arrogant answers as well. I would have also liked the option to just leave the clone to fall instead of trying to save him/her or sending him/her on his/her way.
Actually, considering the lighthearted tone of the dlc, I almost wish they went with an even more absurd reason for the clone's existence.  Like maybe instead of a clone, evil Shepard came from a parallel universe or something. Again, I almost wish...

[DirtyPhoenix]

CronoDragoon wrote...

MrDbow wrote...

First reaction:


Then I was:


By the end I was:

haha this is extremely accurate!!!

[DirtyPhoenix]

BleedingUranium wrote...

GoldFlsh wrote...

Loved it. Did not see it coming at all. However, I was SO worried this secret faction would just be indoctrinated or something silly, so I was SO happy at this alternative. I was getting bored of all the bad guys being indoctrinated reaper drones.

I thought it was handled really well, as well.

Eterna5 wrote...

I liked it for the message it was trying to convey. The message being, what makes your Shepard so powerful and special.

^

The evil villains being evil villains is silly to you? Whatever you say buddy.

No, evil villains being the same generic evil guys as the last 35324262738 villains were is silly.

[Lord Jaric]

When I saw the fuzzy video at the casino, I knew the person was going to look like my Shepard, but I was expecting someone who went through a lot of surgery, not a clone. I was ok with it. I did try to save cloneshep but they let go and fall onto a skyscraper. Felt bad for them.

Loved how everyone was giving realshep crap for the clone, along with the sushi place

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 07 mars 2013 - 07:07 .

[Walsh1980]

It was silly and cliche, but I got the feeling tbey kinda wanted it to be. Aside from it being very funny, it was also something unpredictable -because- it was so cliche. All the dialouge afterwards is very self referential (Garrus and Zaeed hot tub rigging... maybe my favorite thing... Goddamned clones!).

But it was also handled well, showing that Shepard's strength and success are due to his soul, which the clone couldn't have. And I also ended up feeling sorry for him, I got the feeling it was mostly Brooks and whoever she worked with that made him what he was, not really his fault. Kinda wish you could've kept him alive.

So it wasn't Cerberus or Harbinger or something important to the story, but I think Citadel pulled off the ol' evil twin cliche well.

[andy6915]

I've actually been expecting Shepard clones for AGES. Way before release, having avoided the leaked script, I had a wrong idea about where Cerberus got all their new troops from. Instead of them being indoctrinated people from Sanctuary, I thought they were Shepard clones. I figured that Cerberus would realize that Shepard has a ton of genes that make a really good soldier, so Cerberus made a cloning facility that quickly clones and mentally trains them ready for combat (think Okeer's cloning program with krogan). That was the reason they all wore face covering helmets, to hide the fact that they look like Shepard. Even different sexed Cerberus soldiers could be explained by their chromosomes being altered to change the sex during their development.

Not sure if that or what we got was the bigger plot twist. Either way, I was expecting Shepard clones since several months before ME3 came out.

[KangDo]

Bill Casey wrote...

KangDo wrote...

There were a thousand different villain guesses that everyone had for a villain and I'm glad it ended up not being any of them.

A number of people guessed Shepard's clone...

Not my point.

Well then I'm glad they were right and everyone else was wrong.

[Ingu]

 I thought it gave some interesting role-playing options. I had headcanoned my Shep a dead identical twin, so the sudden appearence (and death) of an identical clone was a shock and also another heartbreak. Shepherd just can't catch a break.