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[Darth Wraith]

Tron Mega wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...




I kid. I hope you stay.

That was really rude from a community manager.

hes a dick.

and gets away with it every time.

This is the most awesome post Mr. Priestly has ever made. He should get a medal for this one.

[N7Gold]

4ut0b4hn5child27 wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

I'm done with the Mass Effect trilogy, and I'm not even going to touch the next trilogy. BioWare, you had your chance to make it right, and you screwed up not giving us an ending where we beat the Reapers without choosing one of the three choices. It just doesn't fit Shepard's style and ideals. Shepard fights for the freedom of all species, no matter who or what they are, that includes synthetics, he/she fights for thier right to make thier own future, for better or worse. You guys in BioWare forced us to violate Shepard's ideals, and I don't appreciate that. Don't get me wrong, I loved the DLC, but there were opportunities that could have been implemented in the game with the DLC.

Before the Citadel DLC was released, I believed that in the end of the DLC, Shepard would find an alternate way to stop the Reapers, but decides to keep it secret from anyone outside from his/her squad which would explain why they are throwing a party in the middle of a war, and why Shepard never mentions it to Anderson or Hackett in the game's original content, keeping the alternative way to stop the Reapers other than using the Crucible top secret.


As I was playing the DLC, when going through the Citadel archives, seeing virtual videos of how the asari discovered the Citadel, how the Spectres were formed, how the genophage was deployed and all that, I believed that Shepard may eventually stumble onto a virtual video where he/she learns the origins of the Crucible, learn its secrets and use its secrets against the Catalyst to beat the Reapers on his/her terms. Or at the end of the party, the war asset called "Team Spirit" could be used as a war asset that helps strengthen Shepard's resolve (which is why it is never found in the war asset list on the Normandy), triggering the Charm or Intimidate dialogue options after the Catalyst says "Then you will die knowing you failed to save everything you fought for", and by choosing these dialogue options, Shepard will explain in Paragon or Renegade style why he/she refused to choose Destroy, Control and Synthesis, and how the Catalyst's methods are not restoring balance, but ruining the growth of life, being afraid of what might happen, just like how the salarians are afraid of curing the genophage, afraid to give the krogan a future, for better or worse. Convinced by Shepard words, the Catalyst would then give Shepard the chance to destroy the Reapers by allowing him/her to use the Crucible manually, which would be dangerous, because without certain war assets for the Crucible, the blast could backfire in any number of ways and Shepard could die destroying the Reapers his/her way. But no, it didn't happen. Nothing changed.


The Team Spirit war asset made me believe that the way to defeat the Reapers Shepard's way is not by finding some other super weapon, but from the bonds of Shepard's allies and friends, who come in many different species, including a synthetic, EDI, which the Catalyst believes would always rebel from organics based on what he has seen back in the era when he tried to manifest the solution similar to Synthesis for the Leviathans. EDI and Joker's friendship is an example of what could happen if the Catalyst let life run its course instead of trying to dictate the way how life evolves and makes decisions.


I also believed that the reason why BioWare left us fans hanging with the Destory, Control and Synthesis endings is because they had no choice but to give endings that give us the sensation that the war against the Reapers really can't be won,  they not only rigged the course of humanity and other species evolution, but also the war, meaning they manipulated all species in each cycle to build the Crucible, which is the Catalyst's new plan to find a solution after its previous efforts to find a solution always ended in conflict. Those that fail to complete and use the Crucible get harvested, in hopes that the next cycle succeeds where the previous cycle failed.

Illusive Man (on the Thessia mission): "...No. i'm saying they got it right. Why kill when you can control?"

Shepard (Intimidate dialogue): "The Reapers have it right? You're indoctrinated! you're just doing what the Reapers want!"

Illusive Man: "I could say the same about you, fighting a war that can't be won."

Any war can be won unless the enemy has the whole war rigged and booby trapped in ways we can't imagine.

I believed that the Stargazer epilogue scene at the end of the game hinted that without playing through the "Leviathan, Omega and Citadel" DLCs, the way how Shepard defeated the Reapers is unclear.

"Did that really happen?"

"Yes, but some of the details have been lost in time. It all happened long ago."

I thought that was a sneaky way of telling fans that even though Destroy, Control and Synthesis are one of the accessible endings, they are not canon. How can the next trilogy continue in the state the galaxy is in with the endings we have? Those are endings offered to us by our enemy! They don't give us true victory, even with the Extended Cut! I thought BioWare would eventually give us the "canon" endings, the endings where Shepard lives or dies stopping the Reapers his/her way at a time before we recieve the first details about "ME4", the new Mass Effect related game which won't be called "Mass Effect" at all. I don't know what to think anymore, and so I'm leaving the Mass Effect games, and play games who stay true to the narrative no matter how... "creative" their developers get.

The possibility of there being a Successful Refuse ending is also hinted in what Illusive Man says to Shepard after you have Shepard say this:

Shepard: "I may have believed in you once, but you've gone too far."

Illusive Man: "You're out of your depth. There are choices coming that you aren't equipped to make."

Why would Illusive Man, an indoctrinated person say this? Is he hinting that he knows that Shepard won't approve any of the choices the Reapers will present to him and that refusing them is a bad idea? What can we do to get equipped for this? The answer is: nothing. Even after playing through the last single player DLC, we still aren't equipped. Thanks for yanking our chain, BioWare, very funny.

See you later guys. I'm moving on to games like Baldur's Gate, who stay true to the narrative and nature of its characters.

OP

you are simply not a fans of Mass Effect.

BioWare already said this/warned this long ago before Mass Effect 3 released

"Don't expect too much to the ending, someone might be hate it and some might be like it"

BioWare aware of this. They create the extended DLC to explain what happened to those 3 ending conclusion.

this is 2013 and you still ranting about something that already told. BioWare won't change the ending.

Please grow up.

What makes you believe I'm not? Because I read too deep in between the lines of the game's dialogue for clues?

I understand why they won't change the ending, because the endings show that the Reapers have the entire war rigged all this time, the Crucible is a machine of their design, which is why they never stopped construction of the Crucible in the past, because they threaten the lives of every organic and synthetic race in each cycle to goad them into building the Crucible even though they don't fully understand what it'll do, all they have is blind hope that it'll stop the Reapers. When someone holds you at gunpoint, you don't ask questions, you do what you need to do satisfy the person holding the gun to your head so you can live another day. That's what the Reapers are doing, holding organics and synthetics at gunpoint to force them to build a machine they know nothing about. The Catalyst lied to us, the Reapers are not its solution, they are a means to the solution, including the mass relays and Citadel.

The evolution of every race happened along the path the Reapers desired, and even though the Reapers keep saying the cycle must continue, they expect organics to stop the harvest the way the Reapers desire, but they wanted to give you the fake feeling that the fate of the galaxy is in your hands with the choices you make between Destroy, Control and Synthesis. None of those endings are good because:

Destroy is a everyone loses ending, for the Reapers and organic life because one day they will need to create synthetics to rebuild their society, the synthetics will evolve past their limits by definition, and if the organics don't learn from the quarians mistakes with the geth and respect synthetic life as living beings, not tools, the chaos will happen again like the Catalyst said.

Control is a neutral ending, no one wins or loses, the Catalyst controlled Illusive Man trying to convince Shepard that controlling the Reapers is the best choice, because of the dangers Destroy offers with the destruction of all synthetics. If Shepard becomes part of the Reaper consiousness, disconnected from his/her humanity, he/she may forget his/her ideals as an organic and understand the logic behind the Catalyst's solution and resume the harvest until a cycle completes the Crucible and chooses Synthesis.

Synthesis is an everyone wins ending, including the Reapers. Contrary to popular belief, the Reapers goals are not to continue harvesting organic life or indoctrinate them all (as assumed in the Indoctrination Theory), but to reach a solution that permanently nullifies all possibilities of the chaos returning and establishes a connection between all life. Why? Possibly so that the Leviathans can use the Synthesis DNA to dominate all life in the galaxy, using their mind control abilities to "wirelessly" control other beings, they wouldn't need their fragment orbs anymore. Remember, the Leviathans didn't create the Catalyst to solve the problem to the organic vs synthetic conflict just because they want organics and synthetics to live happily ever after, they did it because a dead "lesser" race cannot be enslaved.

Just because Refuse allows the cycle to continue doesn't mean the Reapers win, it means they have to wait until the next cycle to manipulate them into building the Crucible and choosing Synthesis.

This is why we seriously need an ending where Shepard defeats the Reapers without sacrificing anyone but possibly himself/herself if necessary.

Modifié par N7Gold, 07 mars 2013 - 12:42 .

[Examurai]

But...but... your gonna hurt Bioware's feelings if you go They are gonna be so devastated that they might stop making ME4...

Modifié par Examurai1, 07 mars 2013 - 12:57 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well, I fired up my game for the first time since JULY last night. I started at the High EMS Destroy Ending. The Normandy came back and mysteriously Shepard is back on it and there is only one mission on the docket. Liara never put Shepard's name on the wall. I also noticed, Anderson's name isn't there either, so I guess they found him and he had just passed out. "Go to apartment". So I got to the Citadel and it didn't look like it was in bad shape at all. In fact, it looked in good shape.

The relays were back up and running. Cool! Anderson gave me his apartment. Thanks, dude! It's a really sweet pad. I'll have to redecorate it a bit, but thanks.

This is the Grand Finale of the Mass Effect Trilogy. This is the Epilogue. That's how I'm playing this one. It's my post ending DLC. I don't care what the "intent" of it is. My "head canon" is POST-ENDING. Shepard survived, and is back and has to take out the trash one last time.

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Now if I were to play it in game, I'd like the opportunity to talk the clone into taking the keys to the Normandy while my team and I party down here on the Citadel. When it comes time for Priority Earth (next), we'll just close the hard shutters on the apartment and bunker down and wait it out while the clone does all the work. If the clone chose control, I'm good with that. I still have my digs.

[AshenShug4r]

See ya.

[BearlyHere]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well, I fired up my game for the first time since JULY last night. I started at the High EMS Destroy Ending. The Normandy came back and mysteriously Shepard is back on it and there is only one mission on the docket. Liara never put Shepard's name on the wall. I also noticed, Anderson's name isn't there either, so I guess they found him and he had just passed out. "Go to apartment". So I got to the Citadel and it didn't look like it was in bad shape at all. In fact, it looked in good shape.

The relays were back up and running. Cool! Anderson gave me his apartment. Thanks, dude! It's a really sweet pad. I'll have to redecorate it a bit, but thanks.

This is the Grand Finale of the Mass Effect Trilogy. This is the Epilogue. That's how I'm playing this one. It's my post ending DLC. I don't care what the "intent" of it is. My "head canon" is POST-ENDING. Shepard survived, and is back and has to take out the trash one last time.

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Now if I were to play it in game, I'd like the opportunity to talk the clone into taking the keys to the Normandy while my team and I party down here on the Citadel. When it comes time for Priority Earth (next), we'll just close the hard shutters on the apartment and bunker down and wait it out while the clone does all the work. If the clone chose control, I'm good with that. I still have my digs.

I think that besides being fanservice, this mod is a way to give another ending without calling it an ending. I really hope their data shows that most people turn it off after this DLC and skip the rest of the game, and that they learn from that. I haven't bought it and won't unless I can get a GotY version that works with MEHEM.

[noobcannon]

i stopped playing the dlc when it was time to "send out party invitations".

R.I.P. Bioware

[BearlyHere]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

I'll headcanon this too, but it's a shame we have to do so and can't rely on the creators of the trilogy to give this game the ending it deserves.

I've been looking online for reviews, and I can't believe how many sites are using the "Bioware chose to let Shepard go out with a whimper rather than a bang" meme, even though most like the Citadel, cheesy dialog and all. This is what indecisiveness gets you. What's saddest is they took more care with Space Hamster than with Tali's face.

[Drewton]

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

[string3r]

Me too TC, although I was done with them after the leviathan DLC.
 
Perhaps in the future, they're will be a independent team of animators and designers that are able to create the ending that the series deserves, instead of this complete nonsense.

[Maxster_]

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

IT was always a bad fanfiction, and it will never be confirmed.

[Seboist]

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

The entitlement is strong here.

[New Display Name]

The DLC was great, makes me excited for the next Bioware game.

[The Heretic of Time]

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

O really? 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 07 mars 2013 - 01:29 .

[Drewton]

Maxster_ wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

IT was always a bad fanfiction, and it will never be confirmed.

The literal endings are a bad fanfiction.

Seboist wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

The entitlement is strong here.

Are you implying I should buy the next Mass Effect games no matter how much I don't like them and think it's a wrong direction?

Modifié par Drewton, 07 mars 2013 - 01:38 .

[Tron Mega]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

That was really rude from a community manager.

Tron Mega wrote...

hes a dick.

and gets away with it every time.

Lighten up, it was a joke though granted you lack sense of humor it seems.

Also direct insult will do you no favors Tron.

im sure hes fully aware of hit dicktitude and takes no offense from it.

i was just trying to back up the OP. it seems like all of biowares current worshippers have no remorse for peoples dissapointments. biowares new fan base arent any less dicks then preistly so it seems.

[El Dude 9]

I'm fine with the endings and everything Mass Effect 3 the only thing I'm mad about is that the only new companion is Wrex I feel like they miss advertized.

[alsonamedbort]

Drewton wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

IT was always a bad fanfiction, and it will never be confirmed.

The literal endings are a bad fanfiction.

Seboist wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

The entitlement is strong here.

Are you implying I should buy the next Mass Effect games no matter how much I don't like them and think it's a wrong direction?

No, but making a demand to BioWare that you won't buy anything until they do one specific thing you want is unreasonable.

[Tron Mega]

HJF4 wrote...

The DLC was great, makes me excited for the next Bioware game.

LotSB fooled me pretty good too.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Tron Mega wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...




I kid. I hope you stay.

That was really rude from a community manager.

hes a dick.

and gets away with it every time.

But it's accurate.

[Drewton]

alsonamedbort wrote...

No, but making a demand to BioWare that you won't buy anything until they do one specific thing you want is unreasonable.

"One specific thing" - you're making it out to be a small insignificant thing. But it pretty much decides the future of the series and I believe BioWare had indoctrination in mind.

Maybe it's unreasonable, but it's more unreasonable to buy a game I won't like.

And usually the argument I get is if you don't like it don't play it. Can't win.

Modifié par Drewton, 07 mars 2013 - 01:43 .

[alsonamedbort]

Drewton wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

No, but making a demand to BioWare that you won't buy anything until they do one specific thing you want is unreasonable.

"One specific thing" - you're making it out to be a small insignificant thing. But it pretty much decides the future of the series and I believe BioWare had indoctrination in mind.

Maybe it's unreasonable, but it's more unreasonable to buy a game I won't like.

And usually the argument I get is if you don't like it don't play it. Can't win.

And that's perfectly fine.  Not liking it definitely should lead to not buying it.  But the way you phrased it sounds like it's making a demand that your wish be granted at the expense of everyone else.

[davepissedatending]

Any1 who didn't like this latest dlc is not a mass effect fan simple !

[AlanC9]

N7Gold wrote...

What makes you believe I'm not? Because I read too deep in between the lines of the game's dialogue for clues?

I understand why they won't change the ending, because the endings show that the Reapers have the entire war rigged all this time, the Crucible is a machine of their design, which is why they never stopped construction of the Crucible in the past, ......

Just to make sure I understand this...... your position is that Bio intended this interpretation?