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[xxskyshadowxx]

Johnny Exogenesis wrote...

The endings? Still? Bioware made it clear they won't change the endings... All that artistic integrity stuff, is probably crap, "why?" you say... Answer: Because instead of people saying "oh, I didn't like this part of ending because blah blah blah... etc..." People said "The endings suck.". (They would have probably added some new endings.. 'cause as far as I know the things that were fixed in the EC, were explained in a lot of reviews) So You are simply getting what you deserve. Bye.

"You only get the ending you deserve"

EC was the easiest route to take out of all the comments/reviews/feedback provided. And it's actually not all that bad when you compare it with the original endings. I can see that they were going for something similar to what they did with DAO, which was a well received ending. And they took out the galactic genocide issue almost completely. The downside is they left some pretty fundamental problems unchanged, and that is what bothered (still bothers?) a lot of die-hard fans unfortunately. There were many -many- very detailed critiques explaining exactly why the endings were not good and not continuous with the initial plot presented at the start of the series, and how it's not an effective "twist" ending because there was no real connection to the intial plot at all. There were even lengthy videos explaining it. Saying that there weren't is just silly.

[Hexley UK]

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

So, in other words, never. But don't worry, Bioware will survive.

I honestly think that DAIII's sales will be a major factor in determining whether EA drops BioWare or not. ME3's sales were disappointing.

Often repeated, still wrong.

3 million or so isn't it...you do know that EA have stated that they expect their AAA titles to sell at least 5 million, the Dead Space 3 devs are currently under threat of losing their jobs as they didn't reach that number what makes you think Bioware (especially with how badly SWTOR has done and the under performing DA2) are any different?

Check out the Xbox live charts for today and Citadel isn't even in the top 200, you guys may love it but it isn't selling very well.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 07 mars 2013 - 02:32 .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

I’ve been reading some of the comments here, and to be honest I’m really sickened to see another fan, someone who clearly cares enough for the series (or did) write up their last thoughts on the game in a decent manor, only to receive so much hate and bitterness in return. The OP may be wrong on some things, you or I may not agree with everything they say, but that doesn’t automatically make them “spoiled”, “whiner”, “hater”, etc.

Last time I checked, a loyal fan leaving isn’t something to encourage. It means less contributions/ideas for further games and one less customer for Bioware. Yet no one has an issue pushing them away further with their flaming, label-tossing, and outright insults. It’s as if just mentioning one negative thing about the game or Bioware now is suddenly qualified for pages of this BS (ya know, the type of crap no one supposedly likes and everyone complains about). Which even the community manager apparently takes part in. Interesting how the “Thank You” threads never seem to generate this much heat.

At the end of the day, we're all fans of the same games, sharing the same interests. Attacking each other just because someone else feels differently than you do is beneath you.

[Drewton]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Um...VG Chartz is bad information to follow, because their numbers are completely fudged in terms of accuracy.

Basically, you can't trust them. 

Alright then. I'll give other sources.

Mass Effect 3 sells 1.5 million units in month one:

http://www.mcvuk.com...its-sold/094209

Mass Effect 2 sells 2 million units in one week:

http://www.1up.com/n...ct-2-week-sales

And come on, even this forum thought ME2's numbers were bad.

http://social.biowar...index/2583138/1

Modifié par Drewton, 07 mars 2013 - 02:33 .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Anyways I agree to an extent OP, but I think Bioware leaving
the Mass Effect trilogy is actually a good thing.

Someone else mentioned here to never take something you have
no creative control over too seriously, and that is good advice, but if you
take away the “creative control” part and are ok with not everything being
released in mass media form (i.e the games/the books/etc), then situations even
as big as the trilogy’s ending, can become a non-issue. If there was something
Bioware added that I personally did not like, then *poof* I changed it! 

Even if it meant writing a few paragraphs down on Word for
future references.  


There are tons of fan made content out there like fanfics,
fan voice actors, and mods (like MEHEM) that get better every day. The DLC Bioware
released (especially the last one in my opinion) makes for great fuel to add
and structure this content as you see fit.   

With a bit of creativity, you can make your own ending to
the trilogy and whatever comes after. 

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 07 mars 2013 - 02:32 .

[Drewton]

Hexley UK wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

So, in other words, never. But don't worry, Bioware will survive.

I honestly think that DAIII's sales will be a major factor in determining whether EA drops BioWare or not. ME3's sales were disappointing.

Often repeated, still wrong.

3 million or so isn't it...you do know that EA have stated that they expect their AAA titles to sell at least 5 million, the Dead Space 3 devs are currently under threat of losing their jobs as they didn't reach that number what makes you think Bioware (especially with how badly SWTOR has done and the under performing DA2) are any different?

Check out the Xbox live charts for today and Citadel isn't even in the top 200, you guys may love it but it isn't selling very well.

Exactly. One more point, Dragon Age II sold less than 2 million units, and the next one sounds especially high budget with them using the Frostbite III engine. I can easily see it doing worse sales than DAII and BioWare then being dropped from EA.

[LinksOcarina]

Hexley UK wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

So, in other words, never. But don't worry, Bioware will survive.

I honestly think that DAIII's sales will be a major factor in determining whether EA drops BioWare or not. ME3's sales were disappointing.

Often repeated, still wrong.

3 million or so isn't it...you do know that EA have stated that they expect their AAA titles to sell at least 5 million, the Dead Space 3 devs are currently under threat of losing their jobs as they didn't reach that number what makes you think Bioware (especially with how badly SWTOR has done and the under performing DA2) are any different?

Please don't be daft....

Frank Gibeau said that, in relation to the budget of Dead Space 3, that he estimated 5 million was the target number to make money. There is no way you can estimate the same amount of money for Mass Effect 3 

And no, those devs are not in danger of losing their jobs, especially considering how the story about Dead Space 4 being cancelled (let alone confirmed) was deemed false. 

[AlanC9]

Drewton wrote...

And that's exactly what I`m saying! I don't believe BioWare could think that. That's why I believe IT.

Wouldn't it be better to try something less crazy rather than more crazy if the level of crazy is causing you a problem?

Modifié par AlanC9, 07 mars 2013 - 02:37 .

[Drewton]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Frank Gibeau said that, in relation to the budget of Dead Space 3, that he estimated 5 million was the target number to make money. There is no way you can estimate the same amount of money for Mass Effect 3 

And you really that ME3, a relatively huge game about seven times the length with a much larger voice cast, had a lower target number than Dead Space 3?

AlanC9 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

And that's exactly what I`m saying! I don't believe BioWare could think that. That's why I believe IT.

Wouldn't it be better to try something less crazy rather than more crazy if the level of crazy is causing you a problem?

I don't know, believing that Shepard fell to earth and survived seems crazier than anything in IT to me.

Modifié par Drewton, 07 mars 2013 - 02:39 .

[Holger1405]

Drewton wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

So, in other words, never. But don't worry, Bioware will survive.

I honestly think that DAIII's sales will be a major factor in determining whether EA drops BioWare or not. ME3's sales were disappointing.

Often repeated, still wrong.

People are having a hard time backing up their arguments tonight...

No not really...

ME3 sold less units than ME2, which already hadn't done all that great. I would think that's a disappointment.

http://www.vgchartz....-sales-history/

Meanwhile, Battlefield 3, although yes, more casual focused, still sold 4x as many units, 16 million. Which IP do you think EA prefers? And Asasssins Creed III, which is less casual-focused than ME3, sold 9 million units, three times as much.

And for more perspective, Gears of War 3 was only on one console and sold two million more than ME3. The huge amount of work that goes into Mass Effect that sets it apart from other series - voice acting, writers  - that doesn't go into most has to be expensive.

The vgchartz Sales History was Posted on 17 April 2012. ME2 was over 2 years out at this time. ME3 about 1 Month...

www.destructoid.com/mass-effect-3-makes-over-200-million-in-sales-227119.phtml

first-person shooter will always sale more than RPG's, still good RPG's will always have a market.

[LinksOcarina]

Drewton wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Frank Gibeau said that, in relation to the budget of Dead Space 3, that he estimated 5 million was the target number to make money. There is no way you can estimate the same amount of money for Mass Effect 3 

And you really that ME3, a relatively huge game about seven times the length with a much larger voice cast, had a lower target number than Dead Space 3?

No, 

I am just pointing out that a $5 million mark is not the target number. 

[Hexley UK]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

So, in other words, never. But don't worry, Bioware will survive.

I honestly think that DAIII's sales will be a major factor in determining whether EA drops BioWare or not. ME3's sales were disappointing.

Often repeated, still wrong.

3 million or so isn't it...you do know that EA have stated that they expect their AAA titles to sell at least 5 million, the Dead Space 3 devs are currently under threat of losing their jobs as they didn't reach that number what makes you think Bioware (especially with how badly SWTOR has done and the under performing DA2) are any different?

Please don't be daft....

Frank Gibeau said that, in relation to the budget of Dead Space 3, that he estimated 5 million was the target number to make money. There is no way you can estimate the same amount of money for Mass Effect 3 

And no, those devs are not in danger of losing their jobs, especially considering how the story about Dead Space 4 being cancelled (let alone confirmed) was deemed false. 

So you think with it's larger scope, more voice acting ect.. that ME3 cost less to make than DS3?

I think your wrong and I think ME3 on pure sales of the main game probably did not make enough....however the MP and DLC probably put it in the green I should think.

[Hexley UK]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Drewton wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Frank Gibeau said that, in relation to the budget of Dead Space 3, that he estimated 5 million was the target number to make money. There is no way you can estimate the same amount of money for Mass Effect 3 

And you really that ME3, a relatively huge game about seven times the length with a much larger voice cast, had a lower target number than Dead Space 3?

No, 

I am just pointing out that a $5 million mark is not the target number. 

But surely if ME3 cost more to make then that target number would be higher no?

And just FYI it's 5 million units sold not $5 million dollars.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 07 mars 2013 - 02:46 .

[Drewton]

Holger1405 wrote...


The vgchartz Sales History was Posted on 17 April 2012. ME2 was over 2 years out at this time. ME3 about 1 Month...

www.destructoid.com/mass-effect-3-makes-over-200-million-in-sales-227119.phtml

first-person shooter will always sale more than RPG's, still good RPG's will always have a market.

You're right, I misread April as August. But still, even with updated figures, ME3 sold less than ME2's already disappointing numbers.

I would consider ME3 to be closer to a FPS than an RPG. And even if that's true, why did Skyrim outsell a lot of FPSs at 15 million units? Fallout 3 also easily outsold ME3.

Hexley UK wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Drewton wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Frank Gibeau said that, in relation to the budget of Dead Space 3, that he estimated 5 million was the target number to make money. There is no way you can estimate the same amount of money for Mass Effect 3 

And you really that ME3, a relatively huge game about seven times the length with a much larger voice cast, had a lower target number than Dead Space 3?

No, 

I am just pointing out that a $5 million mark is not the target number. 

But surely if ME3 cost more to make then that target number would be higher no?

+1 for logic

Modifié par Drewton, 07 mars 2013 - 02:45 .

[LinksOcarina]

Hexley UK wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

So, in other words, never. But don't worry, Bioware will survive.

I honestly think that DAIII's sales will be a major factor in determining whether EA drops BioWare or not. ME3's sales were disappointing.

Often repeated, still wrong.

3 million or so isn't it...you do know that EA have stated that they expect their AAA titles to sell at least 5 million, the Dead Space 3 devs are currently under threat of losing their jobs as they didn't reach that number what makes you think Bioware (especially with how badly SWTOR has done and the under performing DA2) are any different?

Please don't be daft....

Frank Gibeau said that, in relation to the budget of Dead Space 3, that he estimated 5 million was the target number to make money. There is no way you can estimate the same amount of money for Mass Effect 3 

And no, those devs are not in danger of losing their jobs, especially considering how the story about Dead Space 4 being cancelled (let alone confirmed) was deemed false. 

So you think with it's larger scope, more voice acting ect.. that ME3 cost less to make than DS3?

I think your wrong and I think ME3 on pure sales of the main game probably did not make enough....however the MP and DLC probably put it in the green I should think.

My god you people....

I never said Mass Effect 3 cost less. Where in that statement does it say that, exactly?

My issue is with your fallacy that $5 million is a benchmark for all games. We don't know what Mass Effect 3's benchmark is, at the same time, Mass Effect as a series never made over $12 million as far I know, numbers wise. So it really doesn't matter how much money it makes, since it would likely never recoup the full budget. 

[Hexley UK]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

I'm not buying anymore BioWare games until IT is confirmed.

So, in other words, never. But don't worry, Bioware will survive.

I honestly think that DAIII's sales will be a major factor in determining whether EA drops BioWare or not. ME3's sales were disappointing.

Often repeated, still wrong.

3 million or so isn't it...you do know that EA have stated that they expect their AAA titles to sell at least 5 million, the Dead Space 3 devs are currently under threat of losing their jobs as they didn't reach that number what makes you think Bioware (especially with how badly SWTOR has done and the under performing DA2) are any different?

Please don't be daft....

Frank Gibeau said that, in relation to the budget of Dead Space 3, that he estimated 5 million was the target number to make money. There is no way you can estimate the same amount of money for Mass Effect 3 

And no, those devs are not in danger of losing their jobs, especially considering how the story about Dead Space 4 being cancelled (let alone confirmed) was deemed false. 

So you think with it's larger scope, more voice acting ect.. that ME3 cost less to make than DS3?

I think your wrong and I think ME3 on pure sales of the main game probably did not make enough....however the MP and DLC probably put it in the green I should think.

My god you people....

I never said Mass Effect 3 cost less. Where in that statement does it say that, exactly?

My issue is with your fallacy that $5 million is a benchmark for all games. We don't know what Mass Effect 3's benchmark is, at the same time, Mass Effect as a series never made over $12 million as far I know, numbers wise. So it really doesn't matter how much money it makes, since it would likely never recoup the full budget. 

Stop using dollars m8 its units sold not dollars.

And if it cost more then EA expect it to sell more...it's simple economics.

DS3 and ME3 are both under EA's umbrella what on earth makes you think that they would hold 2 different studios beholden to them under different standards?

[AlanC9]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...
Last time I checked, a loyal fan leaving isn’t something to encourage. It means less contributions/ideas for further games and one less customer for Bioware. Yet no one has an issue pushing them away further with their flaming, label-tossing, and outright insults. 

Is there a further when the thread title is "I'm done with Bioware?"

[Drewton]

LinksOcarina wrote...

We don't know what Mass Effect 3's benchmark is, at the same time, Mass Effect as a series never made over $12 million as far I know, numbers wise. So it really doesn't matter how much money it makes, since it would likely never recoup the full budget. 

Are you saying EA happily makes games they lose money on?

Modifié par Drewton, 07 mars 2013 - 02:54 .

[Hexley UK]

Drewton wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

We don't know what Mass Effect 3's benchmark is, at the same time, Mass Effect as a series never made over $12 million as far I know, numbers wise. So it really doesn't matter how much money it makes, since it would likely never recoup the full budget. 

Are you saying EA happily makes games they lose money on?

[LinksOcarina]

Hexley UK wrote...

Stop using dollars m8 its units sold not dollars.

And if it cost more then EA expect it to sell more...it's simple economics.

DS3 and ME3 are both under EA's umbrella what on earth makes you think that they would hold 2 different studios beholden to them under different standards?

cost of development, for one, would be different.

Not to mention the team size, salary payments, development times being different, engine use and liscencing, marketing budgets, so on, and so forth. Considering this, why should they have the same budget, that would make no sense from a business standpoint. 

You are ****ing kidding me if you don't understand that simple fact of economics.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 07 mars 2013 - 02:57 .

[LinksOcarina]

Drewton wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

We don't know what Mass Effect 3's benchmark is, at the same time, Mass Effect as a series never made over $12 million as far I know, numbers wise. So it really doesn't matter how much money it makes, since it would likely never recoup the full budget. 

Are you saying EA happily makes games they lose money on?

Yes. Just like Valve. Activision. Ubisoft. Sony....

You know pretty much every game franchise outside of the major sellers. Do you know what the current distribution of sales is between publishers, distributors, and developers? 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 07 mars 2013 - 02:58 .

[Holger1405]

Drewton wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...


The vgchartz Sales History was Posted on 17 April 2012. ME2 was over 2 years out at this time. ME3 about 1 Month...

www.destructoid.com/mass-effect-3-makes-over-200-million-in-sales-227119.phtml

first-person shooter will always sale more than RPG's, still good RPG's will always have a market.

You're right, I misread April as August. But still, even with updated figures, ME3 sold less than ME2's already disappointing numbers.

If EA wouldn't be Happy with the ME2 sales they hadn't approved ME3, any DLC, or the new ME title. 

[Hexley UK]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Stop using dollars m8 its units sold not dollars.

And if it cost more then EA expect it to sell more...it's simple economics.

DS3 and ME3 are both under EA's umbrella what on earth makes you think that they would hold 2 different studios beholden to them under different standards?

cost of development, for one, would be different.

Not to mention the team size, salary payments, development times being different, engine use and liscencing, marketing budgets, so on, and so forth. Considering this, why should they have the same budget, that would make no sense from a business standpoint. 

You are ****ing kidding me if you don't understand that simple fact of economics.

But ME cost MORE to make than DS and is a bigger IP with higher expectations.

Your telling me that given those facts you think EA would expect ME to make less money and not worry about it?

[Drewton]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Stop using dollars m8 its units sold not dollars.

And if it cost more then EA expect it to sell more...it's simple economics.

DS3 and ME3 are both under EA's umbrella what on earth makes you think that they would hold 2 different studios beholden to them under different standards?

cost of development, for one, would be different.

Not to mention the team size, salary payments, development times being different, engine use and liscencing, marketing budgets, so on, and so forth. Considering this, why should they have the same budget, that would make no sense from a business standpoint. 

...I honestly don't get what you're trying to say now, or if you agree or disagree.

Did you not see we already pointed out budgets would be different?

Modifié par Drewton, 07 mars 2013 - 03:00 .

[Hexley UK]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Drewton wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

We don't know what Mass Effect 3's benchmark is, at the same time, Mass Effect as a series never made over $12 million as far I know, numbers wise. So it really doesn't matter how much money it makes, since it would likely never recoup the full budget. 

Are you saying EA happily makes games they lose money on?

Yes. Just like Valve. Activision. Ubisoft. Sony....

You know pretty much every game franchise outside of the major sellers. Do you know what the current distribution of sales is between publishers, distributors, and developers? 

So you think all those companies purposefully make games that don't make money?

I don't even....