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[Ridwan]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mass Effect as a series never made over $12 million as far I know, numbers wise. So it really doesn't matter how much money it makes, since it would likely never recoup the full budget. 

Huh?

"Despite (or perhaps in part thanks to) the controversy surrounding BioWare's latest game, Electronic Arts is sitting pretty with $200 million in sales."

Read more at http://www.destructo...5UUqowbWIqYj.99 

These numbers come from the time before the ending was known to most buyers, naturally.

200 million in sales, they didn't mention how much the actual profit was from the development costs and marketing. And as you pointed out yourself nearly all the sales were made by pre-orders or before anyone knew about the atrocious ending.

[Simzyy]

cya later. your loss

[Vigilant111]

drayfish wrote...

Oh wow.

It's nice to see that all those forum rules about image spam and showing others respect are optional if you are a moderator...

Way to go, Bioware's Community Coordinator.  No need to bother setting an example.

Respect My Authoritah!!!

[SpamBot2000]

M25105 wrote...

200 million in sales, they didn't mention how much the actual profit was from the development costs and marketing. And as you pointed out yourself nearly all the sales were made by pre-orders or before anyone knew about the atrocious ending.

If EA managed to sink enough money on ME3 to make $200 million sales without clearing substantial profit, most of the money must have gone into securing their precious "Perfect Scores". The rampant cost-cutting of the production even prevented heavily hyped composer Clint Mansell from getting the instrumentation he wanted, pissing him off.

[Ridwan]

Simzyy wrote...

cya later. your loss

How's he losing anything if he's not buying? If anything his money will be lost.

[Ridwan]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

200 million in sales, they didn't mention how much the actual profit was from the development costs and marketing. And as you pointed out yourself nearly all the sales were made by pre-orders or before anyone knew about the atrocious ending.

If EA managed to sink enough money on ME3 to make $200 million sales without clearing substantial profit, most of the money must have gone into securing their precious "Perfect Scores". The rampant cost-cutting of the production even prevented heavily hyped composer Clint Mansell from getting the instrumentation he wanted, pissing him off.

The thing is, this semi failure/fiasco might impact future games in the future under EA's banner. Would they see them as a worthy investment when the return is barely able to make a profit from the costs of producing it and marketing it? You can only milk fans out of so much, granted Bioware has some really loyal fans that even buys multiple copies to help them (God knows why).

[N7Gold]

staindgrey wrote...

I hated the ending just as much as, or more than, the next guy.

But the funny thing about this particular OP is that most of his reasons are more befitting a child than somebody capable of properly critiquing the ending on a literary basis.


The ending happened. It was awful, like the final bite of a chocolate cake having a goddamn roach in it. Ruined the memory of the otherwise amazing cake. But, since that memory's never going to go away, the chef (Bioware) made us a whole different desert, something that would appeal to people who didn't like the ending-- and those who did, or just didn't care enough to warrant a whole new playthrough. To expect them to allocate the resources needed to fix the core problems with the ending just for us is immature at best, horribly self-centered and spoiled at its worst.

I still hate the ending. A lot. But it's been a year. Let it go. It's not going to change. Remember Mass Effect, Shepard and everything else for what you loved about it, rather than fixating on that one royal screw up.

Seriously. Let's all grow the **** up.

Speak for yourself, wise guy, and realize that I never said that the endings need to be changed. All I am saying is we need an ending where Shepard beats the Reapers without compromising his/her nature and ideals. Understand that?

Also, as I played through the Leviathan DLC, I noticed hints in Leviathan's dialogue that the Catalyst has set this whole war up since the galaxy became his personal laboratory, and the mass relays, Reapers and Citadel and Crucible are its tools, which explains why he he knows more about the Crucible than anyone else. He uses the Reapers to threaten each cycle, manipulate them into building a machine they know almost nothing about. Like Garrus said, "the threat of death has a way of motivating people", and the Catalyst knows this, using it as a means to find a solution the Crucible provides without forcing the solution on anyone.

And knowing that the Reapers don't promote Legion's philosophy about there being many paths or choices to the same end shows how controlling they are. They are like: "You follow the path we paved for you, or die." They prefer to keep us blind from alternatives.

That's why I'm leaving the Mass Effect fan club. Everything we learned in the game turned out to be meaningless in our struggle against The Reapers.

[Oransel]

N7Gold wrote...

Also, as I played through the Leviathan DLC, I noticed hints in Leviathan's dialogue that the Catalyst has set this whole war up since the galaxy became his personal laboratory, and the mass relays, Reapers and Citadel and Crucible are its tools, which explains why he he knows more about the Crucible than anyone else. He uses the Reapers to threaten each cycle, manipulate them into building a machine they know almost nothing about. Like Garrus said, "the threat of death has a way of motivating people", and the Catalyst knows this, using it as a means to find a solution the Crucible provides without forcing the solution on anyone.

While I loved Leviathan DLC from gameplay perspective, it gave you a thrill of the hunt, discovery, mystery and exploration, I agree with you so much. Reapers do not need explanation. One of the best moments of entire trilogy was speaking with Sovereign. So alien, so different from other AI's, something so unknowable, unable to understand... ME2 missions involving Collectors and derelict Reaper especially reinforced that feeling once again. Lovecraftian horror of unknown, ununderstandable was there. Even bizzare plot twist with human Reaper and semi-organic nature of Reapers has not managed to break the immersion that much, though it was one of the largest problems with ME2 in a long run. 

Aside from that, Crucible is another problem. It was simply not needed and as I mentioned many times (social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/15173821/1), game could easily be written without superweapon. Problem of endings (Catalyst) comes directly from Crucible existence.

I'd loved Leviathan DLC if it was just about finding old and powerful alien species which managed to survive cycles, but still are not related to the Reapers.

Modifié par Oransel, 07 mars 2013 - 11:25 .

[jds1bio]

N7Gold wrote...

That's why I'm leaving the Mass Effect fan club. Everything we learned in the game turned out to be meaningless in our struggle against The Reapers.

Seriously you're still here though?

[staindgrey]

N7Gold wrote...

Speak for yourself, wise guy, and realize that I never said that the endings need to be changed. All I am saying is we need an ending where Shepard beats the Reapers without compromising his/her nature and ideals. Understand that?

Actually, no. Because what you just said is a contradiction. "I don't want it to change, I just want something different than what it currently is."

And besides that, you didn't actually refer to what I said in my post at all. Wise. 

[staindgrey]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

BioWare are still serving that cake though. 

And the ending is so fundamentally divorced from the story that it could be easily removed with very few resources. Wouldn't have to touch anything at all up to the appearance of the Space Ghost.

I respectfully disagree with you on a few points, though after a year of debating this, I'm pretty much done with it. The only thing that aggravates me about the ending anymore is how some people approach disliking it. There have been a LOT of literary screwups in popular media, and never before have I ever seen a fanbase so... toxic. What's embarrassing is reading a fair majority of these fans' criticisms and seeing A) the unneeded hate in their tone, and the lack of literary focus in the critique. All too often, blame for the "bad" ending is placed on "closure" and "winning" and "happy", rather than abrupt thematic shifts that cause all of the uneasiness.

There's a considerable amount wrong with the story as it is told prior to the star child. To ask Bioware to completely fix it and create something new, at this point, is completely unreasonable. The ending is still bad. It will forever be bad. Barring a fan-made initiative, it will never change.

So, I ask you, the OP and anyone else on this side of the argument: why continue? Why announce you're leaving only to stick around the thread 16 pages in? Why continuously show up in BSN thread and comments sections all over the web, a full year later, *still* griping as if you'd just finished ME3 yesterday? What do you gain?

Citadel and Extended Cut were how Bioware chose to rectify their mess. Whether or not you liked it, agreed with it, hated it... Doesn't matter. It's there. Nothing else will happen. Expecting any more to be done shows a complete lack of respect for the amount of effort that goes into this stuff. Claiming it's so easy to just chop off one part and redo it, as if it wouldn't take a large team of great programmers and writers and art directors and outside effects specialists and money and recources drawn from other games being made just for one DLC that they don't in any way have to make...



...This post ended up way longer than it should have been. The point is: You guys hate the ending. I get it. I do to. But my former point still stands. Let's grow the **** up. Y'know what? Four of my best friends used a shady contract obligation to steal over $4,000 from me, which forced me to leave college and live with my parents again while I worked it off. I haven't spoken to them since, and I hate them. But do I foam at the mouth when it's brought up? Do I go out of my way to bring it up myself? Do I even bother trying to demand it back, even though I know they never will? No. Because there's no way I'll get it back, and I have better things to do with my time. Like enjoying this new place I've had the pleasure of living in since I had to move.

Let's all just let. it. go.

[SpamBot2000]

To be precise, it hasn't been a full year. It's been 8 months, 3 weeks or so.

I have my reasons. I presume other people have theirs.

Why would you care if people let go or not?

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 07 mars 2013 - 12:29 .

[Aloren]

M25105 wrote...

Simzyy wrote...

cya later. your loss

How's he losing anything if he's not buying? If anything his money will be lost.

You don't have to buy to lose something. 

[Linkenski]

K bye. I'm skeptical for the next Mass Effect, but i'm almost definitely gonna play Bioware's next new franchise.

[Dubozz]

Since Bioware ****ed up so bad in the end of ME3 i don't think they will make the same mistake again.

[Oransel]

staindgrey wrote...

Let's all just let. it. go.

Never. 

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Modifié par Oransel, 07 mars 2013 - 12:43 .

[vonSlash]

Paragon Shepard might not find any of the Catalyst's options palatable, but it seems to me that Control would be right up Renegade Shepard's alley, so the OP's claim that "none of the options represent anything Shepard would ever do" is a little one-sided.

[Jadebaby]

I'm taking control of this thread.

[Steelcan]

Jadebaby wrote...

I'm taking control of this thread.

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[Dean_the_Young]

Isichar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Who cares if it's the Reapers' goal?  Why is what they want of any interest either way?

Not sure if serious   (w/ really overused pic)

Quite serious. Enemies don't get a say over my actions, whether it's by hating those actions or by liking those actions.

You do understand that those are the same goals that led to the creation of the cycle that I have yet to see a single non-indoctrinated being feels works, and that includes every other AI we meet in the game too. Even other synthetics have expressed repulsion at the reapers existence.

And? That doesn't invalidate Synthesis. That just argues against the Cycle... which Synthesis would end by rendering it obsolete.

But your right why should goals that led to billion years of killing and trillions of pointless deaths be of any factor whatsoever?

That would be a logical fallacy, yes.

Other people's goals and motivations for an action =/= your goals and motivations for an action. Especially, you know, when the actions are different.

Picking synthesis for the Crucible is not enacting a billion years of systematic genocide.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 07 mars 2013 - 12:50 .

[Jackal13th]

I'm just going to say this it is my thoughts and mine only .
the Bio Ware ending yea it suxs but the mod ending is better .as the mode can be a + in my book.the game from Mass Effect 1to Mass Effect 3 was good game i enjoyed playing .
that is my my opinion on it and i did purchase the new DLC Citadel . it did not take to long to download ..

[SpamBot2000]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Picking synthesis for the Crucible is not enacting a billion years of systematic genocide.

No, it's just biocide, once and for all.

[3DandBeyond]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well, I fired up my game for the first time since JULY last night. I started at the High EMS Destroy Ending. The Normandy came back and mysteriously Shepard is back on it and there is only one mission on the docket. Liara never put Shepard's name on the wall. I also noticed, Anderson's name isn't there either, so I guess they found him and he had just passed out. "Go to apartment". So I got to the Citadel and it didn't look like it was in bad shape at all. In fact, it looked in good shape.

The relays were back up and running. Cool! Anderson gave me his apartment. Thanks, dude! It's a really sweet pad. I'll have to redecorate it a bit, but thanks.

This is the Grand Finale of the Mass Effect Trilogy. This is the Epilogue. That's how I'm playing this one. It's my post ending DLC. I don't care what the "intent" of it is. My "head canon" is POST-ENDING. Shepard survived, and is back and has to take out the trash one last time.

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Now if I were to play it in game, I'd like the opportunity to talk the clone into taking the keys to the Normandy while my team and I party down here on the Citadel. When it comes time for Priority Earth (next), we'll just close the hard shutters on the apartment and bunker down and wait it out while the clone does all the work. If the clone chose control, I'm good with that. I still have my digs.

Great post.  Yep, post-ending reunion after destroying only the stupid reapers and anyone aligned (in agreement) with them.  Peoplegoo-filled mass murderers have no reason for living.

[Jadebaby]

Steelcan wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

I'm taking control of this thread.

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it's on!

[3DandBeyond]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Picking synthesis for the Crucible is not enacting a billion years of systematic genocide.

No, it's just biocide, once and for all.

Yep.  Synthesis says because you are different and may one day be weaker than those "robots" you created (even if you instill them with some sort of ethical alignment), they will inevitably destroy all organic life.  So, here let's do it first by integrating tech fully into all organic life thereby causing it to cease to exist.  How does that keep fully synthetic life from becoming "greater" and accidentally killing all weaker species?  Magic. 

And what it says is that organics must assimilate and become partly synthetic in order to "get along".  Hmm, this smacks of what many African Americans did prior to civil rights laws being enacted and even beyond.  They tried to blend in.  Some were lighter skinned so they would pass for white.  So, organics now are told not to just pass for synthetic but to become part synthetic OR ELSE.  Cool diversity message there.