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[Steelcan]

Jadebaby wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

I'm taking control of this thread.

. http://s424.photobuc...ad.jpg&newest=1

it's on!

. http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36kdtn/

[Jadebaby]

At least make it clicky...

Modifié par Jadebaby, 07 mars 2013 - 01:04 .

[Sc2mashimaro]

Jadebaby wrote...


At least make it clicky...

Yeah...and also...

Modifié par Sc2mashimaro, 07 mars 2013 - 01:11 .

[3DandBeyond]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

MacroSpamMK wrote...

Good, now hold the door open so all the other malcontents can follow you out.

And what business school did you attend?

Yes, see if I like a game I am not served well if the biggest group possible does not also like it.  As a fan I want more people to like it and not more people to hate it.  And that's because I want more of a good thing.  I want another game or series that has some of the characteristics of the game(s) I already love.  If a large section of those that did love the game now hate it then that could mean bad news for any game that comes next.  The dev may say the next game needs to be scaled down or create it with less of what I liked and try more to appeal to mundane fans who never really cared about what made the game good in the first place. 

I daresay that most of the people that loved ME, loved it for the characters and the story and especially that idea of choices carrying forward from game to game.  If so, then saying goodbye and good riddance to people that agree with that may help morph any next game or series into something that you don't love and don't recognize.

[Steelcan]

Jadebaby wrote...


At least make it clicky...

. iPad is defective.


http://ma-rin.devian...-meme-298207030

[Jadebaby]

Sc2mashimaro wrote...
Yeah...and also...

err, I changed my mind.

[Dean_the_Young]

3DandBeyond wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Picking synthesis for the Crucible is not enacting a billion years of systematic genocide.

No, it's just biocide, once and for all.

Yep.

Nope. Categorically incorrect, since no one dies from it.

Mandatory trans-humanism has its ethical problems, but death isn't one of them.

  Synthesis says because you are different and may one day be weaker than those "robots" you created (even if you instill them with some sort of ethical alignment), they will inevitably destroy all organic life.  So, here let's do it first by integrating tech fully into all organic life thereby causing it to cease to exist.  How does that keep fully synthetic life from becoming "greater" and accidentally killing all weaker species?  Magic. 

Incorrect on multiple counts. You're confusing the Catalyst's motivation with what Synthesis does.

Synthesis doesn't keep synthetic life from becoming greater: that isn't it, or the Catalyst's, goal. What Synthesis does is allow organics to match the rate of growth. An even playing field: what direction they go from is their problem, but the fact that there is an even playing field of growth is the Catalyst's concern.

And what it says is that organics must assimilate and become partly synthetic in order to "get along".  Hmm, this smacks of what many African Americans did prior to civil rights laws being enacted and even beyond.  They tried to blend in.  Some were lighter skinned so they would pass for white.  So, organics now are told not to just pass for synthetic but to become part synthetic OR ELSE.  Cool diversity message there.

Sure: it's also a strawman. The game never claims you have to agree with the Catalyst's conceit, which you aren't even representing.

Synthesis doesn't eliminate diversity: it does alter biological life so that it can become more synthetic (just like it alters synthetics so they can become more biological), but it doesn't force you in any particular direction and it doesn't make you someone else's species. Post-synthesis Krogan are not the same as post-Synthesis Asari are still not the same as post-synthesis Geth. The direction these species go (and ultimately they're still distinct species and identities) remains up to them: they don't have to pursue further integration with technology, and there's nothing preventing them from working their way back if they really want to.

Or, to put it in your metaphor: black people are still black, and white people are still white. The distinction just stops mattering when the bariers and privelages associated with one or the other are equalized, which is what metaphor!Synthesis does. Synthesis is no more the end to diversity than the end of segregation was: the end of segregation blurred the lines between 'white' and 'black', to the point that now adays increasing numbers of people don't even identify as such and don't blink an eye at the mixing of the groups. It didn't stop there being a 'white' identity or a 'black' identity to those who wanted to keep them.



It's perfectly fine to be disgusted by Synthesis and it's ethical implications, but people should at least get upset by what it is rather than what it is not: Synthesis is not equivalent to the Reapers history and conduct, Synthesis is not racial apartheid, and Synthesis is not the end of diversity.

[Valkyre4]

Another thread "i am leaving , bye bye" only to see that, in reality, the person is pretty much not going anywhere...

[Sc2mashimaro]

Jadebaby wrote...

Sc2mashimaro wrote...
Yeah...and also...

err, I changed my mind.

Look what you did

[3DandBeyond]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Picking synthesis for the Crucible is not enacting a billion years of systematic genocide.

No, it's just biocide, once and for all.

Yep.

Nope. Categorically incorrect, since no one dies from it.

Mandatory trans-humanism has its ethical problems, but death isn't one of them.

Way to take it literally. 

Synthesis is the extinction of organics.  It is even if metaphorically, the death of all organic life even if that death means the (ugh, vomit) rebirth of some other life.  Just as in any metamorphosis the old lifeform dies even in giving way to some newer form.  The being did not die, but what it was is dead and gone.  Beyond that we are given no clue as to internally what the tech that is now somehow magically completely glued to organic DNA (or is a part of that new DNA) really does to all organic particles within the body.  If it is not completely integrated (but the kid says it is and the awful supposed DNA scenes show it is) then it's a parasite merely keeping the host alive for some reason.  If it replaces other organic things in the DNA it has effectively killed a part of what makes something organic thereby killing organic life.

[Jadebaby]

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Sc2mashimaro wrote...
Yeah...and also...

err, I changed my mind.

Look what you did

nope. Don't care.

[spirosz]

Damn, this thread picked up.

[Jadebaby]

spirosz wrote...

Damn, this thread picked up.

Psssst....

[shadey]

drayfish wrote...

Oh wow.

It's nice to see that all those forum rules about image spam and showing others respect are optional if you are a moderator...

Way to go, Bioware's Community Coordinator.  No need to bother setting an example.

oh get a grip it's one image, you sound ridiculously self righeous if you're trying to bust his nuts over this.

bioware mods are pretty lax considered the incessant wining on here about the ending and this is the 10,0000 th "I didn't get the ending I want so the whole series is bad and I will never buy bioware again" thread

Modifié par shadey, 07 mars 2013 - 01:56 .

[spirosz]

Jadebaby wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Damn, this thread picked up.

Psssst....

Still picking destroy.

[Jadebaby]

shadey wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Oh wow.

It's nice to see that all those forum rules about image spam and showing others respect are optional if you are a moderator...

Way to go, Bioware's Community Coordinator.  No need to bother setting an example.

oh get a grip it's one image, you sound ridiculously self righeous if you're trying to bust his nuts over this.

bioware mods are pretty lax considered the incessant wining on here about the ending.

It would still be hilarious if Ninja Stan came in and removed his image for spam.

[Steelcan]

I really need to figure how to "clicky link"

[3DandBeyond]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...


  Synthesis says because you are different and may one day be weaker than those "robots" you created (even if you instill them with some sort of ethical alignment), they will inevitably destroy all organic life.  So, here let's do it first by integrating tech fully into all organic life thereby causing it to cease to exist.  How does that keep fully synthetic life from becoming "greater" and accidentally killing all weaker species?  Magic. 

Incorrect on multiple counts. You're confusing the Catalyst's motivation with what Synthesis does.

Synthesis doesn't keep synthetic life from becoming greater: that isn't it, or the Catalyst's, goal. What Synthesis does is allow organics to match the rate of growth. An even playing field: what direction they go from is their problem, but the fact that there is an even playing field of growth is the Catalyst's concern.

I never said synthesis kept synthetic life from becoming greater-point me to that quote where I said that.  I used the word "and" to tie two concepts together-synthetics will become greater AND (maybe) accidentally kill all weaker (organic) species.  The kid's problem assumes this to be so-it will happen either accidentally or on purpose.  I didn't say his goal was to make synthetics weaker-his goal or the problem is that they will become greater (supercede) than organics and inevitably kill all organic life.

The statement I made means that integrating tech will not change this-if synthetics would intend, in their arrogance, to kill the lesser species (organics), or they'd do so accidentally, then how is any of that changed?  Not all synthetic life has the same origins or is made of the same structure-so thinking they'd now see this tech inside people and not want to fight, is silly, if that was the meaning.

The only thing that has changed is that organic life (temporarily) has ceased to exist so synthetics might kill these new beings and all the other synthetic-organics, but they will now not be able to kill all organic life.  It no longer exists.

[Jadebaby]

spirosz wrote...

Still picking destroy.

*image removed*

I'm sorry, that's not an option...

[spirosz]

Steelcan wrote...

I really need to figure how to "clicky link"

[ url = whatever.com][ img ] whatever.com[/img] [/url]

without the spaces.

[spirosz]

Jadebaby wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Still picking destroy.

*image removed*

I'm sorry, that's not an option...

I'm still taking Jack dancing.


We'll do the spidey.

Modifié par spirosz, 07 mars 2013 - 02:00 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

like i care... Go to hell

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I really need to figure how to "clicky link"

[ url = whatever.com][ img ] whatever.com[/img] [/url]

without the spaces.

. Does that work with iPad?

[Sc2mashimaro]

Jadebaby wrote...

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Sc2mashimaro wrote...
Yeah...and also...

err, I changed my mind.

Look what you did

nope. Don't care.

That made me happy. Like this.

[spirosz]

Oh, Steel, you don't even need part since you just want clicky link.

Just type  [url ] link [ /url]

and I don't know about iPad.

Modifié par spirosz, 07 mars 2013 - 02:04 .