"Those are endings offered to us by our enemy! They don't give us true victory, even with the Extended Cut!"
How true. Your departure is understandable & may be for the best. Heck, it may be a blessing in disguise. Farewell.
And Now... I'm Done With BioWare. Bye Everyone...
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#52
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 02:31
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PSUHammer wrote...
I love these threads. Awesome.
New posts from never-again-return-to-BSN are better.
#53
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 02:32
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You don't want to betray the synthetics. That's okay. You can choose synthesis for example. IMHO the point with the endings is that you have to sacrifice something to gain another thing that you want. For me, Shepard had to die in the end, because of all the stunts (s)he pulled off during the trilogy, it had to end with the ultimate sacrifice. But that is just me.
I am not totally glad with this solution, and I thought a lot about Saren after taking this choice, but we had a choice and this one seemed to be the best / least bad for me.
I am not totally glad with this solution, and I thought a lot about Saren after taking this choice, but we had a choice and this one seemed to be the best / least bad for me.
#54
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 02:35
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I thought the ending sucked. not the whole ending, just the last couple of minutes....and even I am getting tired of these threads.
Move on, the rest of us have. BioWare will pay the price by a lot of us not pre-ordering their next game.....but other than missing the game winning buzzer shot at the end, the rest of Mass Effect was good. I will probably buy their next offering if it doesn't review like DA2....ugh...that game....but day 1 DLC will never happen from me again.
Move on, the rest of us have. BioWare will pay the price by a lot of us not pre-ordering their next game.....but other than missing the game winning buzzer shot at the end, the rest of Mass Effect was good. I will probably buy their next offering if it doesn't review like DA2....ugh...that game....but day 1 DLC will never happen from me again.
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Posté 06 mars 2013 - 02:35
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Is there actually anyone who cares what you think?
#56
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 02:37
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Why you gotta make a thread, though?
Is it really that crucial?
Is it really that crucial?
#57
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 02:37
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I know this feeling.
The Citadel DLC was the last chance at doing something with Mass Effect 3 and they blew it BIG time.
If this is the standard of games from BioWare, then how low will the standard be for Dragon Age 3 and any (if any) future Mass Effect game?
The Citadel DLC was the last chance at doing something with Mass Effect 3 and they blew it BIG time.
If this is the standard of games from BioWare, then how low will the standard be for Dragon Age 3 and any (if any) future Mass Effect game?
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#58
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:02
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Did anyone think the citadel ending was going to change the ending? because I didn't, the thought never even entered my mind.
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Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:05
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cool story bro
and thanks for leaving
one whiner less
and thanks for leaving
one whiner less
#60
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:08
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dawwww and there goes another hater, see ya you won't missed
#61
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:09
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How melodramatic.
There will always be someone who will complain no matter what happens.
There will always be someone who will complain no matter what happens.
#62
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:12
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On one hand, it's never a good thing when loyal fans get so pissed off about something that they outright quit, even in such an attention-whoring manner.
On the other... it makes no sense to leave this way. If you don't think Bioware has been listening; why would you think they'd be listening now?
On the other... it makes no sense to leave this way. If you don't think Bioware has been listening; why would you think they'd be listening now?
#63
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:13
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As a thorough ending hater enjoyment, let me just say this....
Recently, I saw the second swearing off of someone (name withheld
) to BioWare. Promptly, he was made fun of by the ending lovers that they would see him again tomorrow. And sure as the sun sits in the sky during the day, this person posted again. Yes, even the next day.
I hope you do yourself the credit of leaving when you say you do. I would have too, if making fun of ME 3 didn't entertain me so much. But every naysayer who says they are leaving and comes back just keeps opening the door for BioWare to ignore complaints, and for cult fan members to justify their cult behavior.
Cats out of the bag now. I would personally have told you never to leave, and at least entertain yourself with the foolery that the ending(s) are, but now that you've said, you should split for good not look back. I'll be sure to make fun of the cultists for you!
Recently, I saw the second swearing off of someone (name withheld
) to BioWare. Promptly, he was made fun of by the ending lovers that they would see him again tomorrow. And sure as the sun sits in the sky during the day, this person posted again. Yes, even the next day.I hope you do yourself the credit of leaving when you say you do. I would have too, if making fun of ME 3 didn't entertain me so much. But every naysayer who says they are leaving and comes back just keeps opening the door for BioWare to ignore complaints, and for cult fan members to justify their cult behavior.
Cats out of the bag now. I would personally have told you never to leave, and at least entertain yourself with the foolery that the ending(s) are, but now that you've said, you should split for good not look back. I'll be sure to make fun of the cultists for you!
#64
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:14
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This guy is Giving up Bioware games and I'm sitting here Chuckling at HK-47 Quotes from Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic... a Bioware game...
#66
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:17
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He isn't giving up on BioWare games if he is playing Baldur's Gate like he says.... 
#67
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:17
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If people would actually leave instead of posting these threads, membership would drop by half, but the community would be the better for it.
tl;dr If you want to leave, do it. No one cares about that action, or the reasons behind it.
tl;dr If you want to leave, do it. No one cares about that action, or the reasons behind it.
#68
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:20
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The Citadel archive was a humungous missed opportunity to provide answers or context for the ending. I did however enjoy several of the tidbits in there, like the formation of the Specters.
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Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:21
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Well I always felt like Shepard's main goal was to STOP the reapers, he does that for every choice the crucible presents him with. So, Shepard did what he had to do. He stopped the reapers whatever choice you picked. His goal was accomplished IMO.
#70
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:21
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OP's like these are 9/10 from people who think they are important for this world. What a joke!
#71
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:22
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
Jadebaby wrote...
Wait, you're moving "on" to games like Baldur's Gate? That seems like a step backwards to me. That BioWare is gone friend, you have to accept that.
Personally, I'm still undecided about this dlc, i've actually thought about getting it... I soon might. But yes, the ending sucks and will always suck. Thank god Mr. Fob could do what BioWare couldn't.
It's hilarious so far, it's like watching a chessy 90's action movie written by the Mass Effect team.
Autodialogue for everyone. I find it funny that people didn't want cheesy at the end, but then they get cheesy at THE END and they're overjoyed with it, best thing everrrrr. Well, I'm fine with cheese but please no one ever again say this series was grim dark and then please put this pre-ending reunion content in context with the demented and demoralizing endings. First off the DLC itself, a stopoff at a vacation apartment, makes no sense storywise, but ok neither did Omega. Only this is something Anderson and Hackett say Shepard must do all while Anderson is watching Earth crumble around him and Hackett is preparing his "fighting and winning is impossible" speeches. So, it makes real sense to pull some war assets from the battle as other assets are being slaughtered. Cool.
From the start of ME3, the idea is that there's no time to waste, hurry up, get help, get it done. Ooooh, a casino!
Then, there are some sly-ish references made towards anti-enders and even the villain seems more about what a lot of us think of Shepard at the end of the game.
This DLC still suffers from the endings-I see people having fun and happy to see each other, something that makes the endings even worse.
It feels more like what should be a final ending to the game except it comes before the ending.
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Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:28
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I'm done with the Mass Effect trilogy, and I'm not even going to touch the next trilogy. BioWare, you had your chance to make it right, and you screwed up not giving us an ending where we beat the Reapers without choosing one of the three choices. It just doesn't fit Shepard's style and ideals. Shepard fights for the freedom of all species, no matter who or what they are, that includes synthetics, he/she fights for thier right to make thier own future, for better or worse. You guys in BioWare forced us to violate Shepard's ideals, and I don't appreciate that. Don't get me wrong, I loved the DLC, but there were opportunities that could have been implemented in the game with the DLC.
Before the Citadel DLC was released, I believed that in the end of the DLC, Shepard would find an alternate way to stop the Reapers, but decides to keep it secret from anyone outside from his/her which would explain why they are throwing a party in the middle of a war, and why Shepard never mentions it to Anderson or Hackett in the game's original content, keeping the alternative way to stop the Reapers other than using the Crucible top secret.
As I was playing the DLC, when going through the Citadel archives, seeing virtual videos of how the asari discovered the Citadel, how the Spectres were formed, how the genophage was deployed and all that, I believed that Shepard may evenutally stumble onto a virtual video where he/she learns the origins of the Crucible, learn its secrets and use its secrets against the Catalyst to beat the Reapers on his/her terms. Or at the end of the party, the war asset called "Team Spirit" could be used as a war asset that helps strengthen Shepard's resolve (which is why it is never found in the war asset list on the Normandy), triggering the Charm or Intimidate dialogue options after the Catalyst says "Then you will die knowing you failed to save everything you fought for", and by choosing these dialogue options, Shepard will explain in Paragon or Renegade style why he/she refused to choose Destroy, Control and Synthesis, and how the Catalyst's methods are not restoring balance, but ruining the growth of life, being afraid of what might happen, just like how the salarians are afraid of curing the genophage, afraid to give the krogan a future, for better or worse. Convinced by Shepard words, the Catalyst would then give Shepard the chance to destroy the Reapers by allowing him/her to use the Crucible manually, which would be dangerous, because without certain war assets for the Crucible, the blast could backfire in any number of ways and Shepard could die destroying the Reapers his/her way. But no, it didn't happen. Nothing changed.
The Team Spirit war asset made me believe that the way to defeat the Reapers Shepard's way is not by finding some other super weapon, but from the bonds of Shepard's allies and friends, who come in many different species, including a synthetic, EDI, which the Catalyst believes would always rebel from organics based on what he has seen back in the era when he tried to manifest the solution similar to Synthesis for the Leviathans. EDI and Joker's friendship is an example of what could happen if the Catalyst let life run its course instead of trying to dictate the way how life evolves and makes decisions.
I also believed that the reason why BioWare left us fans hanging with the Destory, Control and Synthesis endings is because they had no choice but to give endings that give us the sensation that the war against the Reapers really can't be won, they not only rigged the course of humanity and other species evolution, but also the war, meaning they manipulated all species in each cycle to build the Crucible, which is the Catalyst's new plan to find a solution after its previous efforts to find a solution always ended in conflict. Those that fail to complete and use the Crucible get harvested, in hopes that the next cycle succeeds where the previous cycle failed.
Illusive Man (on the Thessia mission): "...No. i'm saying they got it right. Why kill when you can control?"
Shepard (Intimidate dialogue): "The Reapers have it right? You're indoctrinated! you're just doing what the Reapers want!"
Illusive Man: "I could say the same about you, fighting a war that can't be won."
Any war can be won unless the enemy has the whole war rigged and booby trapped in ways we can't imagine.
I believed that the Stargazer epilogue scene at the end of the game hinted that without playing through the "Leviathan, Omega and Citadel" DLCs, the way how Shepard defeated the Reapers is unclear.
"Did that really happen?"
"Yes, but some of the details have been lost in time. It all happened long ago."
I thought that was a sneaky way of telling fans that even though Destroy, Control and Synthesis are one of the accessible endings, they are not canon. How can the next trilogy continue in the state the galaxy is in with the endings we have? Those are endings offered to us by our enemy! They don't give us true victory, even with the Extended Cut! I thought BioWare would eventually give us the "canon" endings, the endings where Shepard lives or dies stopping the Reapers his/her way at a time before we recieve the first details about "ME4", the new Mass Effect related game which won't be called "Mass Effect" at all. I don't know what to think anymore, and so I'm leaving the Mass Effect games, and play games who stay true to the narrative no matter how... "creative" their developers get.
The possibility of there being a Successful Refuse ending is also hinted in what Illusive Man says to Shepard after you have Shepard say this:
Shepard: "I may have believed in you once, but you've gone too far."
Illusive Man: "You're out of your depth. There are choices coming that you aren't equipped to make."
Why would Illusive Man, an indoctrinated person say this? Is he hinting that he knows that Shepard won't approve any of the choices the Reapers will present to him and that refusing them is a bad idea? What can we do to get equipped for this? The answer is: nothing. Even after playing through the last single player DLC, we still aren't equipped. Thanks for yanking our chain, BioWare, very funny.
See you later guys. I'm moving on to games like Baldur's Gate, who stay true to the narrative and nature of its characters.
Read this and you'll see for what was the Citadel DLC
http://www.forbes.co...erfect-goodbye/
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Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:32
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Liamv2 wrote...
pirate1802 wrote...
BringBackNihlus wrote...
Did I ever tell you what the definition of "insanity" is?
10/10
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#75
Posté 06 mars 2013 - 03:38
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Kel Riever wrote...
As a thorough ending hater enjoyment, let me just say this....
Recently, I saw the second swearing off of someone (name withheld
I hope you do yourself the credit of leaving when you say you do. I would have too, if making fun of ME 3 didn't entertain me so much. But every naysayer who says they are leaving and comes back just keeps opening the door for BioWare to ignore complaints, and for cult fan members to justify their cult behavior.
Cats out of the bag now. I would personally have told you never to leave, and at least entertain yourself with the foolery that the ending(s) are, but now that you've said, you should split for good not look back. I'll be sure to make fun of the cultists for you!
In the OP's defense, and I know you aren't attacking him, I've had people reply to my posts or in my threads before and say they will no longer do so, and then two days later they start up again. Awhile back, there was one person who did this and who PMed me (because of a thread I created called "One Last Plea") that he was no longer going to discuss this stuff with me and then he started doing so again. He even PMed me when he said he would not do so again. I've been guilty of telling people I'm done discussing stuff and then I start doing it again. It's like a moth to a flame-you know you shouldn't and you don't want to, but what the hell...
The endings are this vast wealth of no meaning stuff that can be interpreted and discussed into infinity (or until ME4-ish is released and ME3 registered owners are all blocked from posting), so there may be life in the deadest of horses for some time to come. There just won't be too many requests for something that would actually end this game in a way that would have brought the feels that in part the Citadel DLC brings. Amazing that an actual ending to the game can't have that sort of feels or people would go crazy (no cheese for me, please), but it is super ok in a paid DLC that has no bearing on the story and if you play the game chronologically, is a hollow echo at the end.
