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[Godak]

Alistair and Morrigan deserve each other so, SO much.



Heh...and the children! God, they would OBLITERATE the snark scale.

[Naamah_bb]

Well, no matter what , in the end I think she was more willing to tumble with him a bit than he was with her. and not only because of the future demon baby

[Kenshen]

I always got the feeling that both of them enjoyed there banter and it wasn't so much hate related than it was brother/sister type love. First time through the game and listening to both of them go back and forth reminded me so much of my time growing up with my sister.

[Godak]

Yeah, Alistair gets along with Morrigan MUCH better than he gets along with Goldanna...She's just a snooty **** who complains and complains. And what does she do to improve her situation? She scrubs her floor in the exact same place 24/7.

[steelfire_dragon]

I got the fealing that they are siblings.... who is to say what did or didnt happen in Flemeth's tent........
bwahahahahahahaha
1 2 3 lets kick em the knees

[Klystron]

David Gaider wrote...

Morrigan had no idea it would come down to sleeping with Alistair at the end, that the confrontation would come so soon. All she needed was a Grey Warden who hadn't been a Grey Warden for very long... it could have been anyone, such as one of the many Orlesian Grey Wardens who were supposed to not be very far away. The fact that it comes down to just three Grey Wardens facing the Archdemon in the end was unexpected for everyone -- and the fact that of those three, with a female PC the only one that is suitable for the ritual is a man she despises, is no doubt galling to her personally.

I got the impression (despite what Flemeth says) that Morrigan didn't understand what was going on until she got ahold of Flemeth's first grimoire, and that Flemeth deliberately kept her in the dark.  If so, it would have been quite a shock to her when she realized she was going to have to bed Alistair... 

[Kohaku]

robertthebard wrote...

You do realize that if it turns out that Morrigan is Alistair's sister, this becomes even richer in the irony department.  Maric and Flemeth, alone in the hut, for hours, hmmm...

Someone on the General Board said that the Warden might be Morrigan's brother (or sister) as well. So we have lots of incest going on.

[Whisa]

Klystron wrote...


I got the impression (despite what Flemeth says) that Morrigan didn't understand what was going on until she got ahold of Flemeth's first grimoire, and that Flemeth deliberately kept her in the dark.  If so, it would have been quite a shock to her when she realized she was going to have to bed Alistair... 

She tells you at the end that Flemeth saved the wardens specifically for the ritual.  She knew of it before they set out

[Woman Warden 118]

Borschtbeet wrote...

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Alistair is a templar and Morrigan is an apostate, lore says that templars and apostates are not friends, you dig?

But I thought the whole apostate issue was settled when Flemeth made her point about how Alistair would be dead had he not recieved the help from "illegal mages".

But do you realy think Flemeth could change Alistair's perspective on life? You have a good point yes but when Morrigan is nothing but a ***** to him, it wont rly help his opinion of apostates          lolz                 

[Woman Warden 118]

Godak wrote...

Alistair and Morrigan deserve each other so, SO much.

Heh...and the children! God, they would OBLITERATE the snark scale.

LOLZ

[Woman Warden 118]

Godak wrote...

Yeah, Alistair gets along with Morrigan MUCH better than he gets along with Goldanna...She's just a snooty **** who complains and complains. And what does she do to improve her situation? She scrubs her floor in the exact same place 24/7.

ikr lolz

[wwwwowwww]

Whailor wrote...

Ah well, whole Morrigan - Alistair thing is a bit weird. First of course Morrigan: girl out of the swamp who, for some reason, thinks that she's so intelligent and smart. Who the heck would have given her any education in that swamp anyway? Flemeth? She's hardly any scholar herself. From all the legends about her, including her own story, he darted into swamp with a bard at very young age, then in the end summoned a demon and then was promptly taken over by that demon. And I seriously doubt that it happened to be some "scholarly" demon. All of her education would come from some general stuff Flemeth taught her and something little she read out from the few books Flemeth had and from those Grey Warden treaties (which hardly are any educational records). Yes, she would have received a very good training and education when it comes to survival, magic, some combat even but that's that. So the whole image of her as being some sort of "swamp scholar" was already way off the bat.

Alistair on other hand actually has much better education then Morrigan ever would. During all the years he lived at Arl's estate and in castle he would have received education. Obviously not as much as a family member but still some general education. I seriously doubt that Arl Eamon, knowing who's son he really is, would have kept any "bits of knowledge" away from him. So Alistair would have some general education before he was taken into Chantry. And as he pointed out, Chanty doesn't train stupid templars. Sure, a lot of his training received in Chantry would have been the nonsense about Maker and all that, but there would have been also plenty of other academic education. Alistair may present himself as simple person but in reality he'd be quite well educated. If we'd start to line up the chars in party camp based on their education levels, frankly Alistair would be one of the top names. Morrigan with her "swamp education" would definitely not come anywhere close.

So that whole banter thing and Morrigan assuming there that she's so smart was kinda ironically funny. I guess that Alistair didn't want to bother himself by stooping down to her level and try to prove how smart he is and how foolish others may be. Maybe Morrigan at some level even realized this and that was one of the reasons why she couldn't stand Alistair much, as well. I guess that in the end, if she can't sleep with the player char to get that baby, she realized what a tool she's been all this time and now she's pleading for a Grey Warden she doesn't like to sleep with her for her little ritual. Hah, the thoughts what ran through her head would have been probably priceless to hear at that moment. All that blathering all the time how high and mighty she is and how low Alistair is and now she's the one knocking on his door, so to say.

Sorry but I don't get most of this. Are you saying the only way someone could be smart is through some sort of formal education? Your joking right? 
Your probably right in that Flemmeth didn't school her, much anyways, I see Flemeth more as the person saying go out and figure it out yourself type. Given motivation, desire, and determination, Morrigan could have easily surpassed anyone who was formally schooled.
Also there are generally two types of smart people in the world, those that are book smart, and those that are street smart. I'd care to venture that Morrigan is on the street smart side.

[MColes]

Bah, Alistair could never have handled her... *cough* I'm coming Morrigan!



I'm in the camp, where they kinda seemed to be acting like siblings, even if they really weren't (god I hope not..) It's hard tot ell with her, my character was strictly a good guy. I did plenty of things Morrigan didnt agree with, and Alistair was as good as a best friend. But by the final battle, Morrigan was in love. Theres a lot of interesting dialogue leading up to procreating, when she's in love with you, if you take a strong stance with your feelings. She's got a soft spot for Nobility, I think Alistair once toughened might have been more her type. The bastard, looking at my woman..

[aragfore03]

I still contend that it's a sibling rivalry issue that they don't realize.

[Barrendall]

Godak wrote...

Alistair and Morrigan deserve each other so, SO much.

Heh...and the children! God, they would OBLITERATE the snark scale.

^ This

[MassEffect762]

Another Morrigan plot hole? hmm Interesting.



1) The Ritual "on the eve of battle" plot hole

2) Now this one.



Good catch, I don't care either way. You learning something David?

[SinYang]

A plot hole is why did she even bother to ask the player for consent.. i mean she had a chance to do the ritual after Ostagar, you were out of loop for atleast a time it seemed  (If you were male, still maybe Alistair was knocked out before?.)

[Gold Dragon]

SinYang wrote...

A plot hole is why did she even bother to ask the player for consent.. i mean she had a chance to do the ritual after Ostagar, you were out of loop for atleast a time it seemed  (If you were male, still maybe Alistair was knocked out before?.)

WOuldn't have worked.  When the Wardens finally encounter the Archdemon, if the ritual had been done at that point, it would have killed the child.

And Morrigan would be called "Mommy".

[wwwwowwww]

SinYang wrote...

A plot hole is why did she even bother to ask the player for consent.. i mean she had a chance to do the ritual after Ostagar, you were out of loop for atleast a time it seemed  (If you were male, still maybe Alistair was knocked out before?.)

She does say something about the ritual having to be done on the eve of the grey warden facing the arch demon in  combat

[SinYang]

Good point, though I heard if you romance morrigan then turn down the ritual later, the old god is still born?

[tallon1982]

That isn't true. She can possibly end up pregnant though

[Elessara]

Also, I believe Mr. Gaider said in another thread that there was more involved than just sex ... like candles and runes and chanting. He said the male PC would have noticed something weird going on. It just wasn't in the cutscene.

[saori_shinjiro]

Really? And here I thought she was already being nice to him, hahaha. But if you mean being nice to him in lieu of the dark ritual, it seems a tad bit out of character for her though. Even if she did plan for it to happen beforehand, I can't picture Morrigan buttering up Alistair for any reason.

[Gold Dragon]

Elessara wrote...

Also, I believe Mr. Gaider said in another thread that there was more involved than just sex ... like candles and runes and chanting. He said the male PC would have noticed something weird going on. It just wasn't in the cutscene.

It was in context with some other discussion about cut content, IIRC.  ANd done in an Army camp literally the night before.  It got changed when they thought it detracted from the buildup to the Archdemon.


Man, tho...  I wish I could have seen Alistair's face in THAT scene

EDIT:  And the stuff probably DID happen, on the way to Denerim...

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 13 janvier 2010 - 03:11 .

[Fraevar]

David Gaider wrote...

Morrigan had no idea it would come down to sleeping with Alistair at the end, that the confrontation would come so soon. All she needed was a Grey Warden who hadn't been a Grey Warden for very long... it could have been anyone, such as one of the many Orlesian Grey Wardens who were supposed to not be very far away. The fact that it comes down to just three Grey Wardens facing the Archdemon in the end was unexpected for everyone -- and the fact that of those three, with a female PC the only one that is suitable for the ritual is a man she despises, is no doubt galling to her personally.

And if the female PC is her friend, she's very specific about also wanting to do it to save the Warden's life. Many people tend to miss this and just call Morrigan an evil skank, but the dialogue you can trigger in the Denerim battle if you've allowed the ritual to happen really does show a woman who's scared of her own heart. Great job there, Mr. Gaider