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[NT121784]

You make a good point. I figure though that once the Normandy gets back to the alliance, they are able to get Edi back. I don't know about the geth though. I want them to be good too, but. Ugh, I don't know.

[CronoDragoon]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Some would say that the Romance content convinced them that (high EMS) Destroy is the best choice because Shepard can survive.

I think this even without Shepard surviving, so it's less a "this convinces me Destroy is the best" and more "I'm glad I think Destroy is the best."

Control is pretty sweet too though, and would be the most interesting ME4 setting IMO.

[FlyinElk212]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Some would say that the Romance content convinced them that (high EMS) Destroy is the best choice because Shepard can survive.

True. I guess it's a matter of who you're willing to sacrifice, and who you want to live in this current state of the galaxy.

For me, I can't damn an entire race (not to mention my pilot bro's biddy) just for my own benefit. To me, that's unbecoming of the Shepard who brought this family together in the first place.

[Enhanced]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Because there's no way in hell I'm changing the galaxy . Over my dead body after seeing this DLC.

I've totally fallen in love with my little family I've created. The squadmates of past and future have combine to create some of the tightest friend units I have ever seen. Not only do they prove that this galaxy is worth saving as it is, but the comradery and cooperation of different races proves that there IS hope for this version of the galaxy's future, with little to no Reaper influence along the way.

Destroy's no option. After Citadel DLC, EDI's proven synthetics deserve better.
Synthesis's no option. After Citadel DLC, I can't alter galactic status quo when this one can prove to be civil and stable.
And don't even get me started on Refuse.

So I used to be an avid Destroy fan. But after seeing this DLC, I don't think I'll ever choose anything other than Control. If sacrificing my life means I'll be able to keep this version of the galaxy in tact, then my sacrifice will be worth it. If not for the galaxy, then for my little family I've created.

Control is a good option, however that reason doesn't make it better than Synthesis.  Citadel DLC doesn't prove that synthetics  won't eventually rebel and attempt to kill all organics.  ContolShep would probably be able to prevent that from happening, but for how long?

Modifié par Enhanced, 06 mars 2013 - 04:19 .

[Zazzerka]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GT Zazzerka wrote...

My choice hasn't changed, but I'll admit, I got a little ache in my heart every time Joker and EDI did something together.

Miranda: "So, Joker do you have any human women you're interested in?"

Joker: "No, EDI's smart, funny and into ships."

Miranda: "You know what you want, I respect that."


Me:

That's exactly the one I was thinking of.

I almost broke down, then and there.

[FlyinElk212]

Enhanced wrote...

Control is a good option, however that reason doesn't make it better than Synthesis.  Citadel DLC doesn't prove that synthetics  won't eventually rebel and attempt to kill all organics.  ContolShep would probably be able to prevent that from happening, but for how long?

It makes Control better than Synthesis not because of the final result, but because of the implications of SELECTING that choice to begin with.

Choosing Control supposes that this galaxy, in its current form, has the capacity to solve it's own problems. They just need a big-ass Reaper police to keep baddies in check.

Choosing Synthesis supposes that this galaxy, in its current form, does NOT have the capacity to solve it's own problems, not without Reaper restructuring of every galactic lifeform.

So again, in my mind, Control is the only option. Not so much for the outcome, but because CHOOSING Synthesis feels like a betrayal to the little family I've created. "Hey guys. Even though we're all buddy buddy and have done so much together, Iiiiii don't think we can solve this problem by ourselves. We need Reaper magic. Sorry!"

[thepringle]

Now I'm afraid that this was the purpose of the DLC. Make you steer away from Synthesis and Destroy, so that most people choose Control.
And in the next game Tyrannical God Shepard will be the villain... Once again bringing the Reapers back into the limelight
[/tinfoil hat]

But yeah, I chose Control after Citadel.

[Auld Wulf]

@OP

I can respect Control as a decision. I still prefer Synthesis though as it provides the galaxy with so much more; it gives organics a kind of freedom that they've never experienced, and synthetics a level of understanding they've never experienced. I believe that both deserve that. If you look at the story, it's what a lot of people in that reality have been longing for - and I think they deserve it. Essentially Synthesis brings synthetic capabilities to organics (the ability to upgrade oneself, to join a galactic consensus, to win out over sickness and mortality), and it brings organic qualities to synthetics (the ability to truly empathise with feelings, as shown by EDI).

If you care about EDI, then Synthesis is the only choice, as Synthesis is the sole choice that lets her truly express her feelings for Shepard, for Joker, and everyone else. It lets her really feel for the first time, and she's overjoyed by the experience. What I frequently can't understand is the hatred for EDI, which seems... evil, from my perspective. She's always been trustworthy and helpful. EDI explains in the Synthesis ending how much better for her things are now, and she deserves it. I think she deserves that.

And Joker? In the Synthesis ending we learn that Joker's condition has been cured, completely cured. He's able to walk for the first time, he's able to do anything that any healthy member of the crew can. Joker's angst about his situation always bothered me, and I always wished I could do something to help him. But there was nothing in modern medicine that could make him right. Synthesis allows Joker a permanent reprieve from his suffering, so for the first time he's truly able to enjoy life. I think he deserves that.

Maybe, in time, with reaper technology the Control option could provide those possibilities to EDI and Joker (and people like them). So Control isn't so bad, I don't really see it as being so bad. I prefer Synthesis though because it provides that reprieve immediately; Joker is well, EDI can feel, and the galaxy seems a better place for it. Destroy is the only option I don't like. It's a completely selfish, misanthropic choice. It kills every synthetic, it kills (or severely harms) every person with synthetic components, and all so that Destroy fans can have their little 'breath' scene. A scene that they mistakenly believe that Shepard lives, but actually where they watch Shepard die a slow death (nerve twitches and air escaping the lungs doesn't mean life, especially when all the synthetic components keeping him alive are now destroyed).

I chose Synthesis because I think that Joker and EDI deserved better. I'm not misanthropic, sociopathic, or selfish. I was thinking of them. Control is okay because it might also result in a cure for Joker, and new possibilities for EDI. But to just ... Destroy? To kill EDI, to make Joker that much more miserable?

Destroy fans: What the eff did Joker ever do to you for you to hate him so much? For you to take the one person he's ever truly cared for away from him? To take one of the best chances away of him ever being well? What did he do to you? Seriously. Why do you hate Joker?

[CronoDragoon]

I'm also considering precluding the possibility of Rannoch peace in my next playthrough, partially to alleviate guilt, but also because the manner in which peace comes to Rannoch is kinda ridiculous. All the key moments of the war (preventing Tali exile, the end of Rannoch) basically just solve interesting fundamental conflicts of interest with yelling. I also think it's powerful if Shepard picks Destroy to assert the freedom for organics and synthetics to work things out even though Rannoch didn't work out.

[llandwynwyn]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GT Zazzerka wrote...

My choice hasn't changed, but I'll admit, I got a little ache in my heart every time Joker and EDI did something together.

Miranda: "So, Joker do you have any human women you're interested in?"

Joker: "No, EDI's smart, funny and into ships."

Miranda: "You know what you want, I respect that."


Me:

Yeah, I felt bad too. Still, destroy is the only choice for me. Legion's "soul" and Joker will just have to forgive me.

Auld Wulf wrote...
Destroy fans: What the eff did Joker ever
do to you for you to hate him so much? For you to take the one person
he's ever truly cared for away from him? To take one of the best chances
away of him ever being well? What did he do to you? Seriously. Why do
you hate Joker?

He got Shep killed in ME2. :innocent:

Modifié par llandwynwyn, 06 mars 2013 - 04:32 .

[AlexMBrennan]

If one party is enough to change your opinion on serious philosophical issues then you might not have thought things through before.

[MattFini]

thepringle wrote...

Now I'm afraid that this was the purpose of the DLC. Make you steer away from Synthesis and Destroy, so that most people choose Control.
And in the next game Tyrannical God Shepard will be the villain... Once again bringing the Reapers back into the limelight
[/tinfoil hat]

But yeah, I chose Control after Citadel.

I think BW always wanted you to think long and hard about your choice.

I know what certain members of BW have said, but I honestly don't believe there's in-game evidence that points toward one ending over the other.

In that single respect, I actually like the ending. BW leaves it up to the player and what's important to their Shepard.

[SpamBot2000]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Destroy fans: What the eff did Joker ever do to you for you to hate him so much? For you to take the one person he's ever truly cared for away from him? To take one of the best chances away of him ever being well? What did he do to you? Seriously. Why do you hate Joker?

You just keep bumbling from confusion to confusion, don't you? That's a question you should address to BioWare, not the players who are the victims in this.

[Zazzerka]

Can you just f*ck off, Auld? You're smart, but you're using it in the wrong way.

Go cure cancer.

[darthnick427]

Yeah.....that's a no for me myself. After this dlc it's more than made me realize Shepard deserves to live. Destroy all the way

[Vlk3]

What about creepy Reapers flying around?

[Asch Lavigne]

I can see your point of view, OP.

But I disagree, I still choose Destroy because it lets them all live in a world free of Reapers. And unlike you, OP, I don't care about EDI. I hate her and have wanted her dead since they put her on my ship, that feeling grew when they made her a squadmate.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 06 mars 2013 - 04:34 .

[cerberus1701]

What did Joker ever do to Shep?

He killed her.

[FlyinElk212]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

If one party is enough to change your opinion on serious philosophical issues then you might not have thought things through before.

The party was the first time we've VISIBLY SEEN the amount of cooperation and comradery this galaxy is capable of. There's never been another point in the series where this was so apparent.

So yeah. A party changed my opinion on serious philosophical issues. But seriously, isn't that the point of parties?

[Teddie Sage]

I'm still taking Destroy ending. Control and Synthesis are against my Shepard's ideals.

[adayaday]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Destroy fans: What the eff did Joker ever do to you for you to hate him so much? For you to take the one person he's ever truly cared for away from him? To take one of the best chances away of him ever being well? What did he do to you? Seriously. Why do you hate Joker?

What did Joker did for me that i should sacrifice everything i got so he can have a girlfriend?

[AdmiralCheez]

MEHEM: Thanks to Citadel, we've passed the happy-gooey fanservice event horizon already, so why not?

(Srsly tho Control just makes the Catalyst rewrite itself so it THINKS it's you, ergo still never choosing in my playthroughs.)

[Kel Riever]

I don't know about the OP but since the ending(s) are all fail, I got a particular satisfaction out of frying the Geth.

Really, of course, what happened was that the Geth and EDI lived when I picked Destroy. Also, Shepard got up out of the rubble and was rescued. If you can't figure out how that happened, then you clearly have no imagination.

[TudorWolf]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

True. I guess it's a matter of who you're willing to sacrifice, and who you want to live in this current state of the galaxy.

For me, I can't damn an entire race (not to mention my pilot bro's biddy) just for my own benefit. To me, that's unbecoming of the Shepard who brought this family together in the first place.

This, so much.

I find the whole debacle quite upsetting because no matter what, the ending forces you to sacrifice someone, whether it be Shepard or EDI and the Geth (or everyone, if you really want). And considering how beautiful all the interactions everyone has, that's a **** of a choice either way.

[FlyinElk212]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
(Srsly tho Control just makes the Catalyst rewrite itself so it THINKS it's you, ergo still never choosing in my playthroughs.)

Headcanon? From AdmiralCheez???

Srsly in that case, I'mma headcanon my team got away from the Reapers in refuse, and went in stasis pods to KICK THE REAPERS ASS in the next cycle. That Asari at the end's Grandma Liara.