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[Subject M]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Is there vast uncertainty in the autonomy of destroy?  The Catalyst seems quite convinced in the inevitability of organic life inventing synthetic life which will destroy it.

That's exactly what I mean. There's no safety net preventing synthetics from destroying organics (which the Catalyst believes to be inevitable without a "solution") and hence Destroy is his least favorite.

I concede this point and will just reword my inclination to pick Control by saying Control is the option I think is most likely to prove the Catalyst wrong.

It is not the point of the ending choice to prove the Catalyst wrong. It is the point to create a good future for the galaxy.

Which of course in no small part depends on whether the catalyst is right or not.

[FlyinElk212]

Subject M wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Is there vast uncertainty in the autonomy of destroy?  The Catalyst seems quite convinced in the inevitability of organic life inventing synthetic life which will destroy it.

That's exactly what I mean. There's no safety net preventing synthetics from destroying organics (which the Catalyst believes to be inevitable without a "solution") and hence Destroy is his least favorite.

I concede this point and will just reword my inclination to pick Control by saying Control is the option I think is most likely to prove the Catalyst wrong.

It is not the point of the ending choice to prove the Catalyst wrong. It is the point to create a good future for the galaxy.

Which of course in no small part depends on whether the catalyst is right or not.

Which I argue he is, to an extent. At least about the overall galactic problem. The actual solution he offers as a means to solving said problem (Synthesis), I believe is incorrect.

And yes, Destroy and Control are less solutions as they are different methodologies for buying more time to find said solution, but I believe Control to be the better of the two now, PARTICULARLY after seeing how this current cycle has proven (via Citadel DLC) that it is more than capable of solving it's own problems within its current state. With the choices presented by the Catalyst, Control keeps the galaxy the most in tact with its current state.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 06 mars 2013 - 09:22 .

[PainCakesx]

I'm sort of the opposite. It cemented my choice of Destroy.

After that, it's hard to go "and now it's time to commit suicide." Shepard has too much to live for, and synthetics can be rebuilt.

[goose2989]

I'm still going to shoot the tube with confidence and satisfaction. Despite the collective death of synthetic life, Shepard deserves to be selfish for once and survive to live with all those great friends.

[GimmeDaGun]

To me it did not change anything: I still go with destroy.

[CronoDragoon]

I'm obviously in the minority but I find merit in all 3 choices. I could easily give great reasons to pick Control, Destroy, or Synthesis. This whole "genocide tyranny rape" crap is pretty silly, because it's a conversation-stopper. I'm glad a lot of this thread has had more reasonable discussion.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 06 mars 2013 - 09:27 .

[CronoDragoon]

I remember Ieldra listing a theme for each ending as: autonomy (Destroy) stability (Control) advancement (Synthesis). I think that characterization of the endings is something everyone can live with. OP, for example, wants to keep the current cycle as intact as possible, which I see as a variation on the stability theme.

[Bill Casey]

CronoDragoon wrote...

This whole "genocide tyranny rape" crap is pretty silly

I don't find such horrible acts to be "silly"...

[goose2989]

PainCakesx wrote...

I'm sort of the opposite. It cemented my choice of Destroy.

After that, it's hard to go "and now it's time to commit suicide." Shepard has too much to live for, and synthetics can be rebuilt.

The same Geth and the same EDI may never exist again, but dammit Shepard deserves to live in his new  apartment with Tali!

[PainCakesx]

goose2989 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

I'm sort of the opposite. It cemented my choice of Destroy.

After that, it's hard to go "and now it's time to commit suicide." Shepard has too much to live for, and synthetics can be rebuilt.

The same Geth and the same EDI may never exist again, but dammit Shepard deserves to live in his new  apartment with Tali!

It may be the selfish choice, but Shepard deserves to reap the fruits of his labor as far as I'm concerned.

[FlyinElk212]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I remember Ieldra listing a theme for each ending as: autonomy (Destroy) stability (Control) advancement (Synthesis). I think that characterization of the endings is something everyone can live with. OP, for example, wants to keep the current cycle as intact as possible, which I see as a variation on the stability theme.

Couldn't have said it better myself. After seeing how this current cycle operates (within the Citadel DLC), I've decided to forgo autonomy in favor of stability of the current cycle. My reasoning is because any other choice feels like a betrayal to my friend family, PARTICULARLY after Citadel DLC.

[CronoDragoon]

Bill Casey wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

This whole "genocide tyranny rape" crap is pretty silly

I don't find such horrible acts to be "silly"...

It's a mischaracterization of what the endings are. Synthesis is not rape, so much as unimaginative people want to claim it is. Destroy is not genocide. Control is only tyrannical if you want it to be.

[Bill Casey]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

This whole "genocide tyranny rape" crap is pretty silly

I don't find such horrible acts to be "silly"...

It's a mischaracterization of what the endings are. Synthesis is not rape, so much as unimaginative people want to claim it is. Destroy is not genocide. Control is only tyrannical if you want it to be.

Ngomj

NOT IT IS NOT

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT

You liar...
You are ****ing lying to my face...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 06 mars 2013 - 09:33 .

[chefcook90]

I don't get why there's all this love for the Destroy ending just because there's a chance that Shepard is still alive at the end.

I'm pretty sure there was already a thread about how ReaperShep could just build an awesome cyborg body, upload his/her consciousness into it, and go back to living life as usual. 

Plus we still don't know if the Shepard waking up at the end is the real Shepard or the CLONE Shepard.

[Bill Casey]

War crime apologists anger the **** out of me...

I'm not raping you...
I'm not raping you...

You're infuriating...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 06 mars 2013 - 09:34 .

[CronoDragoon]

I'm not saying you shouldn't have qualms about the methods of each choice. I'm just saying people should present them in good faith instead of saying "Y U RIKE GENOCIDE" and precluding the possibility of real conversation.

[Colancio]

Dude destroy only kills syntehtics and the sex bot, everyone else is happy

[CronoDragoon]

Bill Casey wrote...

War crime apologists anger the **** out of me...

I'm not raping you...
I'm not raping you...

You're infuriating...

Yeah, well, show that they are war crimes, because labeling them so without an argument amounts to zero credibility.

[Ieldra]

Subject M wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Is there vast uncertainty in the autonomy of destroy?  The Catalyst seems quite convinced in the inevitability of organic life inventing synthetic life which will destroy it.

That's exactly what I mean. There's no safety net preventing synthetics from destroying organics (which the Catalyst believes to be inevitable without a "solution") and hence Destroy is his least favorite.

I concede this point and will just reword my inclination to pick Control by saying Control is the option I think is most likely to prove the Catalyst wrong.

It is not the point of the ending choice to prove the Catalyst wrong. It is the point to create a good future for the galaxy.

Which of course in no small part depends on whether the catalyst is right or not.

Yes, but the Catalyst being right or not is not the point of the decision. If you choose Destroy because you want to prove it wrong, then you're risking the galaxy for your need to be right. And if you think - as I do - that Synthesis gives the galaxy a fantastic future, then it shouldn't matter one bit to you that it also appears to be the choice favored by the Catalyst.

[PainCakesx]

chefcook90 wrote...

I don't get why there's all this love for the Destroy ending just because there's a chance that Shepard is still alive at the end.

I'm pretty sure there was already a thread about how ReaperShep could just build an awesome cyborg body, upload his/her consciousness into it, and go back to living life as usual. 

Plus we still don't know if the Shepard waking up at the end is the real Shepard or the CLONE Shepard.

While I think the circumstances of his survival are ridiculous, artistic intent is key here. And that is that the scene, despite its ridiculous nature, unambiguously indicates Shepard's survival. It would be utterly pointless otherwise. 

[Bill Casey]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

War crime apologists anger the **** out of me...

I'm not raping you...
I'm not raping you...

You're infuriating...

Yeah, well, show that they are war crimes, because labeling them so without an argument amounts to zero credibility.

LOOOK AT THE FRUCKGFJPOIGOINFK

****ING ENDING FGOQPOEWFRWJO;

GOD DAMN YOU

LOOK AT IT


STOP LYING

Modifié par Bill Casey, 06 mars 2013 - 09:36 .

[goose2989]

PainCakesx wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

I'm sort of the opposite. It cemented my choice of Destroy.

After that, it's hard to go "and now it's time to commit suicide." Shepard has too much to live for, and synthetics can be rebuilt.

The same Geth and the same EDI may never exist again, but dammit Shepard deserves to live in his new  apartment with Tali!

It may be the selfish choice, but Shepard deserves to reap the fruits of his labor as far as I'm concerned.

Well said, good buddy! Let's not forgot, also, that destroying the Reapers outright is a damn good goal for many players

Modifié par goose2989, 06 mars 2013 - 09:36 .