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Dear BW Team: can we please get an official word on the Talon Key Binding Issue?


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OneTrueShot wrote...

@Eric - If you want to PM me with specifics of the issue, I could have my team look at the issue and create a fan-patch.


I was gonna propose exactly the same as OTS.Now that the game's support is over ( and let me be clear, BW's staff has been simply INCREDIBLE over the last 12 months and I understand the reasons behind this decission ) I am sure that any programmer could fix this issue on PC very easily once he knew what's the problem behind it

Please Eric, at least let us know what's going on with the character reseting the key bindings on PC and WE will solve it

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KiraTsukasa wrote...

On the plus side, PC only has issues with one class, while PS3 has issues with an entire enemy faction and Xbox just has half their playerbase being screaming 12 year olds.

Still waiting on the patch to fix that.  Biower, pls.

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kipac wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

OneTrueShot wrote...

@Eric - If you want to PM me with specifics of the issue, I could have my team look at the issue and create a fan-patch.


And I can assure you with EA's current stance on modding they would veto that, no matter what BioWare would say.


If it was Bethesda, they would've surely welcomed such an offer.



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Tentwen wrote...

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Also, isn't this a PC-exclusive issue? You don't have to pay Microsoft and Sony to release it.

A good question. What is the issue with patching just this for PC since it's only on PC?


Any patch requires a considerable time investment from the team, and it always adds to the risk of introducing new bugs.

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

Tentwen wrote...

Domnuxx wrote...

Also, isn't this a PC-exclusive issue? You don't have to pay Microsoft and Sony to release it.

A good question. What is the issue with patching just this for PC since it's only on PC?


Any patch requires a considerable time investment from the team, and it always adds to the risk of introducing new bugs.


Bioware in a nutshell.

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Don't bother buffing the Talon then.

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

High Lord Fagnan has addressed the powers of the Talon, namely that changes are coming. Can he or some other developer please comment on whether or not solutions to the key binding issue on the Talon are actively being sought? Thank you.


We've looked into the key binding issue and we won't be able to fix it without a patch. Unfortunately, we don't have another patch planned at this time.


then you need to devolop a workaround, this is PC we are talking about not xbox or PS3, all you have to do is make a file availible for us to download and we can download and install it manualy without the need for the official patching process

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

High Lord Fagnan has addressed the powers of the Talon, namely that changes are coming. Can he or some other developer please comment on whether or not solutions to the key binding issue on the Talon are actively being sought? Thank you.


We've looked into the key binding issue and we won't be able to fix it without a patch. Unfortunately, we don't have another patch planned at this time.


Does the "don't have another patch planned at this time" translate to "MP lifecycle has ended and will no longer be supported"?

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Aha, so that bug only applies to PC people that modded their keybindings. Okay, in this case it is unfortunate, but caused by customer meddling. I redact my early statement.


Are you an idiot?
You do realise pc games allow customisable control layouts right? It's a feature not some damn mod or "customer meddling"; this feature happens to horribly break when using the Talon.

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I have to say that the fanboyism you expressed in previous posts was touching... Negating the existence of PC users with customized controls just to justify the absence of a corrective patch. Really nice move.


Negating the existence of PC users?  What are you talking about?  

Edted to add:  Oh, I see, you chose to re-interpret what I wrote.  What I asked is a reasonable question.  What percentage of PC players use custom keybindings?  How many of the PC community are affected?  

Those are reasonable questions.  If it was affecting 50+ percent, then the argument for fixing it is better.  If it's only affecting less than 10 percent, then it could easily be viewed as a problem that is affecting such a small number of players that it's not worth fixing.  

Modifié par BjornDaDwarf, 06 mars 2013 - 06:26 .


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Eric Fagnan wrote...

Tentwen wrote...

Domnuxx wrote...

Also, isn't this a PC-exclusive issue? You don't have to pay Microsoft and Sony to release it.

A good question. What is the issue with patching just this for PC since it's only on PC?


Any patch requires a considerable time investment from the team, and it always adds to the risk of introducing new bugs.


It wouldn't have cost you time if you had properly play tested it right in the first place. This wasn't a hard to find bug. When employyes of a store break something and make a mess, they don't say "oh it will take time to fix this so we won't do it"  the manager tells the employees "you created the mess, you're going to fix it, even if its on your own time"

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kipac wrote...

If it was Valve, they would've surely welcomed such an offer.


Remeber that Valve simply abandoned TF2 on the 360. Completely abandoned it as it became unplayable due to glitchers (the few evenings I tried playing it, the glitchers made every map unwinnable for any team that wasn't cheating).  Valve is not a paragon that many people believe they are, they are a business aimed at making profits, and will abandon products when it makes financial sense.  

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Reizo Ryuu wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

High Lord Fagnan has addressed the powers of the Talon, namely that changes are coming. Can he or some other developer please comment on whether or not solutions to the key binding issue on the Talon are actively being sought? Thank you.


We've looked into the key binding issue and we won't be able to fix it without a patch. Unfortunately, we don't have another patch planned at this time.


Does the "don't have another patch planned at this time" translate to "MP lifecycle has ended and will no longer be supported"?

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Aha, so that bug only applies to PC people that modded their keybindings. Okay, in this case it is unfortunate, but caused by customer meddling. I redact my early statement.


Are you an idiot?
You do realise pc games allow customisable control layouts right? It's a feature not some damn mod or "customer meddling"; this feature happens to horribly break when using the Talon.


Redact my earlier statement. Evidently any sort of customization breaks the Talon, even standard rebinding.


Still think the insult was the very epitome of maturity and civil behaviour.

Modifié par Neofelis Nebulosa, 06 mars 2013 - 06:26 .


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HolyAvenger wrote...

I'll agree, for what its worth, that this sucks. But I'm a realist and know that eventually support winds down for all games. This is by no means a gamebreaking bug.



I still reckon the PS3 freezing is a hardware issue and not something BW can do something about.


hardware issue that doesn't happen on any other game ever?

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Well, ME3 doesn't support keybindings in the way those people have done. They have modified their gamefiles to seperate the spacebar functions to different keys.

Guess what, modifying your game files is modding, a.k.a. meddling with game files that is not originally intended. I understand that everyone that did not did this key reassignments has no issues whatsoever.

Who's the idiot now?


The Talon bug also reverses any key bindings that are done legit via options, such as rebinding your medigel key from 7 to E for example.

It's just not the INI key binders that this affects.

You've been off the field for too long my friend.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 06 mars 2013 - 06:24 .


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No more patches? So the Shadow will never SS an atlas again?

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Ziegrif wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Well, ME3 doesn't support keybindings in the way those people have done. They have modified their gamefiles to seperate the spacebar functions to different keys.

Guess what, modifying your game files is modding, a.k.a. meddling with game files that is not originally intended. I understand that everyone that did not did this key reassignments has no issues whatsoever.

Who's the idiot now?


The Talon bug also reverses any key bindings that are done legit via options, such as rebinding your medigel key from 7 to E for example.

It's just not the INI key binders that this affects.


Okay.

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Guess what, modifying your game files is modding, a.k.a. meddling with game files that is not originally intended. I understand that everyone that did not did this key reassignments has no issues whatsoever.


Who's the idiot now?


Wrong, I have not split the omni-bar, only remapped keys.  Instead of 1-8, the slots are now TYG34512.  All I did was switch the keys in the IN GAME MENU.  And when I play the talon, the keys go back to 1-8.  I have not touched the coalesced file for keybinding.

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
Well, ME3 doesn't support keybindings in the way those people have done. They have modified their gamefiles to seperate the spacebar functions to different keys.

Guess what, modifying your game files is modding, a.k.a. meddling with game files that is not originally intended. I understand that everyone that did not did this key reassignments has no issues whatsoever.

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Oh and thanks very much for the unnecessary insult by the way.


The Talon ****s up keybindings revamped in the game options, not in INI files.

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Ziegrif wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Well, ME3 doesn't support keybindings in the way those people have done. They have modified their gamefiles to seperate the spacebar functions to different keys.

Guess what, modifying your game files is modding, a.k.a. meddling with game files that is not originally intended. I understand that everyone that did not did this key reassignments has no issues whatsoever.

Who's the idiot now?


The Talon bug also reverses any key bindings that are done legit via options, such as rebinding your medigel key from 7 to E for example.

It's just not the INI key binders that this affects.

You've been off the field for too long my friend.


This^, thanks for not researching anything properly Nebulosa, seems to me you very much deserved that "insult" =]

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Noobeloosa, bitte.

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Well, ME3 doesn't support keybindings in the way those people have done. They have modified their gamefiles to seperate the spacebar functions to different keys.

Guess what, modifying your game files is modding, a.k.a. meddling with game files that is not originally intended. I understand that everyone that did not did this key reassignments has no issues whatsoever.

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Oh and thanks very much for the unnecessary insult by the way.


I have mine bound differently from default, and SURPRISE-- I didn't mod my game!  I used "Key Bindings" in my options to move keys around.

It's an issue hitting anyone who has custom bindings, and it's not exclusive to what "those people have done."

Just take it easy before slinging out accusations about illegal modding at everyone who has this problem.

Modifié par RobotWalk, 06 mars 2013 - 06:28 .


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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Okay.


Enjoy the Bazillion answers telling you what I just did.

:D

Modifié par Ziegrif, 06 mars 2013 - 06:28 .


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Cheylus wrote...

Don't bother buffing the Talon then.


yes, buff it for PS3 & XBAWKS

down with the master race :P

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Fine, if not knowing everything about a particular issue makes me a valid target for instant insults instead of (like some people at least have done) explaining exactly how I am wrong in a clear and concised manner, then whatever.

Seems flaming around is the new modus operandi in this forum.

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So the phrase, "At this time" is not the same thing as saying it will never get patched. Something tells me that if we keep playing issues will get fixed. BTW, what is key binding issues anyways?