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Dear BW Team: can we please get an official word on the Talon Key Binding Issue?


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#126
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Eric Fagnan wrote...

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High Lord Fagnan has addressed the powers of the Talon, namely that changes are coming. Can he or some other developer please comment on whether or not solutions to the key binding issue on the Talon are actively being sought? Thank you.


We've looked into the key binding issue and we won't be able to fix it without a patch. Unfortunately, we don't have another patch planned at this time.


Nooooooooooooooo........

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Stardusk wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

Reizo Ryuu wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

High Lord Fagnan has addressed the powers of the Talon, namely that changes are coming. Can he or some other developer please comment on whether or not solutions to the key binding issue on the Talon are actively being sought? Thank you.


We've looked into the key binding issue and we won't be able to fix it without a patch. Unfortunately, we don't have another patch planned at this time.


Does the "don't have another patch planned at this time" translate to "MP lifecycle has ended and will no longer be supported"?

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Aha, so that bug only applies to PC people that modded their keybindings. Okay, in this case it is unfortunate, but caused by customer meddling. I redact my early statement.


Are you an idiot?
You do realise pc games allow customisable control layouts right? It's a feature not some damn mod or "customer meddling"; this feature happens to horribly break when using the Talon.


which...is a feature consoles did not get
simple button mapping would have made the game much more enjoyable on consoles, but we never got it
so now you can play with default keys like the rest of us, or leave the Talon alone

WELCOME TO OUR WORLD!:P

(and you still get to play against the Collectors so what's the big deal)


No other class has this problem, hence your argument is senseless.


Why is it "senseless"?
leave your key layout default (like consoles have to do), you can play the Talon
change your key layout, you can't play the Talon

again, at least you can play against Collectors




Do you know how hard it is in the middle of a game to hit 6,7 and 8? The defaults are retarded and no other character is affected. Bad argument.


l2p default, and I take offense to your use of the word "retarded" as that is just wrong...
it is no more difficult than using the triangle button on ps3 for flamer w/Geth Soldier (when it is trigger on Vorcha)
and again, you at least have the ability to change keys to your liking, consoles do NOT

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While this sucks, as I'm one of the people affected, I wanted to thank Bioware (and Eric specifically) for at least being open and honest about the likelihood of this being fixed.

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unclemonster wrote...

l2p default, and I take offense to your use of the word "retarded" as that is just wrong...
it is no more difficult than using the triangle button on ps3 for flamer w/Geth Soldier (when it is trigger on Vorcha)
and again, you at least have the ability to change keys to your liking, consoles do NOT


It really isn't hard, (see pic on page 5).

PC default much worse than console default. I've done the research.

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Can someone answer me one question: can you rebind the keys after you start the game with Talon? I mean, there is plenty of time from the moment you see your character to the moment you see first enemies on wave 1. Enough actually to bind ops packs and medi gel to other keys. I know because I tried this once on another computer, after I realized I don't have them the way I like.

If you can, it's not so bad.

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BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

l2p default, and I take offense to your use of the word "retarded" as that is just wrong...
it is no more difficult than using the triangle button on ps3 for flamer w/Geth Soldier (when it is trigger on Vorcha)
and again, you at least have the ability to change keys to your liking, consoles do NOT


It really isn't hard, (see pic on page 5).

PC default much worse than console default. I've done the research.


You have youthful hands.

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Lathlaer wrote...

Can someone answer me one question: can you rebind the keys after you start the game with Talon? I mean, there is plenty of time from the moment you see your character to the moment you see first enemies on wave 1. Enough actually to bind ops packs and medi gel to other keys. I know because I tried this once on another computer, after I realized I don't have them the way I like.

If you can, it's not so bad.


According to PC users earlier in the thread, yes.  

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The buffs better be interesting or this character won't see much love. I can't believe the qa guys only play with default layout. How do they RC? Changing keymapping is supposed to be part of bug tracking :(

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3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

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On the plus side, PC only has issues with one class, while PS3 has issues with an entire enemy faction and Xbox just has half their playerbase being screaming 12 year olds.


You know, you're right. But still, I am so sad that biower (yes, that's how the company which makes half-baked stuff should be called) can't do proper testing for such a long time. I am not a hater, I really love Bioware, but you guys keep disappointing me with the quality of your products.

People say nice things about the Citadel DLC, I am sure I will check it out and maybe I will change my mind.


If as much of the game was as 'half-baked' I'm sure you wouldn't have gotten as much out of it as you have. In the grand scheme of things, it's a small problem. One out of 50+ characters--granted they're not all unique, but still.


Of course that was a metaphorical saying. Don't forget that we have lots of other bugs still, starting from broken power evos and ending in rocket gliching and game freezing. 

Many people here right because EA has ****loads of contracts and etc. and makes it nearly impossible for the studios like BIoware to release a small patches to fix stuff.


I blame the console market, personally. <_<


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You have youthful hands.


Gross.

Modifié par Uchimura, 06 mars 2013 - 07:08 .


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I wonder if it would be possible to remove the executable's ability to modify keybindings

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Lathlaer wrote...

Can someone answer me one question: can you rebind the keys after you start the game with Talon? I mean, there is plenty of time from the moment you see your character to the moment you see first enemies on wave 1. Enough actually to bind ops packs and medi gel to other keys. I know because I tried this once on another computer, after I realized I don't have them the way I like.

Yes you have, but it's incredibly tedious to do each time you change kits.

Modifié par Cohen le Barbare, 06 mars 2013 - 07:10 .


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BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Lathlaer wrote...

Can someone answer me one question: can you rebind the keys after you start the game with Talon? I mean, there is plenty of time from the moment you see your character to the moment you see first enemies on wave 1. Enough actually to bind ops packs and medi gel to other keys. I know because I tried this once on another computer, after I realized I don't have them the way I like.

If you can, it's not so bad.


According to PC users earlier in the thread, yes.  

Yeah but those guys are a bunch of whiny little girls most of the time.

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It's unfortunate that we won't get a quick fix for the Talon - it looks like it could be a fun class but I'm not going to hassle myself having to relearn keybindings that I've used for the past three games for one particular kit.

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NuclearTech76 wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Lathlaer wrote...

Can someone answer me one question: can you rebind the keys after you start the game with Talon? I mean, there is plenty of time from the moment you see your character to the moment you see first enemies on wave 1. Enough actually to bind ops packs and medi gel to other keys. I know because I tried this once on another computer, after I realized I don't have them the way I like.

If you can, it's not so bad.


According to PC users earlier in the thread, yes.  

Yeah but those guys are a bunch of whiny little girls most of the time.


Some people have too many keybinds to completey change them. Whiny girls? you can do better than that.

Also console doesn't need rebinds, (see picture on page 5)

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Are keybindings in a file that has to be modified by the game?

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

High Lord Fagnan has addressed the powers of the Talon, namely that changes are coming. Can he or some other developer please comment on whether or not solutions to the key binding issue on the Talon are actively being sought? Thank you.


We've looked into the key binding issue and we won't be able to fix it without a patch. Unfortunately, we don't have another patch planned at this time.


GUYS WE NEED TO FIND GAMEBREAKING EXPLOITS ASAP TO FORCE A PATCH :P

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Domnuxx wrote...

Also, isn't this a PC-exclusive issue? You don't have to pay Microsoft and Sony to release it.


It's not PC only. I change my PS3 controls to "default swapped" and the Talon does not respect that setting. 

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And suddenly I'm boss for never rebinding my keys mwahahahahaha.



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BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

l2p default, and I take offense to your use of the word "retarded" as that is just wrong...
it is no more difficult than using the triangle button on ps3 for flamer w/Geth Soldier (when it is trigger on Vorcha)
and again, you at least have the ability to change keys to your liking, consoles do NOT


It really isn't hard, (see pic on page 5).

PC default much worse than console default. I've done the research.


LOL! at master race whiners
so you have to move your finger slightly to hit the 8 key (or not play 1 of 60 kits)
OMG, my life is over!
please biower patch it, i can't take it!

again, PS3 users cannot map any buttons AND we have a WHOLE FACTION OF ENEMIES that we cannot play against in Collectors
we can't even play against unknown factions for fear of Collectors being enemy
And the master race, you have to move your finger slightly (to tap the 8 key) and it is the end of the world

you tell me who is getting the short end of the stick here?

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unclemonster wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

l2p default, and I take offense to your use of the word "retarded" as that is just wrong...
it is no more difficult than using the triangle button on ps3 for flamer w/Geth Soldier (when it is trigger on Vorcha)
and again, you at least have the ability to change keys to your liking, consoles do NOT


It really isn't hard, (see pic on page 5).

PC default much worse than console default. I've done the research.


LOL! at master race whiners
so you have to move your finger slightly to hit the 8 key (or not play 1 of 60 kits)
OMG, my life is over!
please biower patch it, i can't take it!

again, PS3 users cannot map any buttons AND we have a WHOLE FACTION OF ENEMIES that we cannot play against in Collectors
we can't even play against unknown factions for fear of Collectors being enemy
And the master race, you have to move your finger slightly (to tap the 8 key) and it is the end of the world

you tell me who is getting the short end of the stick here?



Really?

This is talking about keybindings, not your collectors issue.
I don't know If youve tried to hit those high level buttons on a whim while using WASD, but it is not easy. Not to mention people are used to other buttons and even if you changed them it would be hard to adjust back and forth, every game you play you would have to sit in spawn for a minute.

Console players have one button they complain about Y or Triangle (I think). This isn't too much of a problem and is really easy if you lrn2claw (not hard, see pic on 5).

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BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

l2p default, and I take offense to your use of the word "retarded" as that is just wrong...
it is no more difficult than using the triangle button on ps3 for flamer w/Geth Soldier (when it is trigger on Vorcha)
and again, you at least have the ability to change keys to your liking, consoles do NOT


It really isn't hard, (see pic on page 5).

PC default much worse than console default. I've done the research.


LOL! at master race whiners
so you have to move your finger slightly to hit the 8 key (or not play 1 of 60 kits)
OMG, my life is over!
please biower patch it, i can't take it!

again, PS3 users cannot map any buttons AND we have a WHOLE FACTION OF ENEMIES that we cannot play against in Collectors
we can't even play against unknown factions for fear of Collectors being enemy
And the master race, you have to move your finger slightly (to tap the 8 key) and it is the end of the world

you tell me who is getting the short end of the stick here?



Really?

This is talking about keybindings, not your collectors issue.
I don't know If youve tried to hit those high level buttons on a whim while using WASD, but it is not easy. Not to mention people are used to other buttons and even if you changed them it would be hard to adjust back and forth, every game you play you would have to sit in spawn for a minute.

Console players have one button they complain about Y or Triangle (I think). This isn't too much of a problem and is really easy if you lrn2claw (not hard, see pic on 5).


To clarify before this degrades into a console vs PC war. I was kidding with my earlier comments.

I do find it funny when you hackers.....ahem esteemed royalty of the gaming community complains about your Ferraris while the rest of us have to drive around in our Ford Fiestas. :whistle:

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BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

unclemonster wrote...

l2p default, and I take offense to your use of the word "retarded" as that is just wrong...
it is no more difficult than using the triangle button on ps3 for flamer w/Geth Soldier (when it is trigger on Vorcha)
and again, you at least have the ability to change keys to your liking, consoles do NOT


It really isn't hard, (see pic on page 5).

PC default much worse than console default. I've done the research.


LOL! at master race whiners
so you have to move your finger slightly to hit the 8 key (or not play 1 of 60 kits)
OMG, my life is over!
please biower patch it, i can't take it!

again, PS3 users cannot map any buttons AND we have a WHOLE FACTION OF ENEMIES that we cannot play against in Collectors
we can't even play against unknown factions for fear of Collectors being enemy
And the master race, you have to move your finger slightly (to tap the 8 key) and it is the end of the world

you tell me who is getting the short end of the stick here?



Really?

This is talking about keybindings, not your collectors issue.
I don't know If youve tried to hit those high level buttons on a whim while using WASD, but it is not easy. Not to mention people are used to other buttons and even if you changed them it would be hard to adjust back and forth, every game you play you would have to sit in spawn for a minute.

Console players have one button they complain about Y or Triangle (I think). This isn't too much of a problem and is really easy if you lrn2claw (not hard, see pic on 5).




you mean adjusting like PS3 users have to where Vorcha flamer is on the trigger and then the geth trooper flamer  is on the triangle button?
again l2adjust it is not too hard
my brain can handle more than 1 setting

what do you do if you play another game and the keys aren't able to be mapped the same as ME3?
look at playing the Talon like it is a different game with different keys
l2adapt!

Modifié par unclemonster, 06 mars 2013 - 07:41 .


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Lol/face palm/ssdd

Former Biower fan. No longer a fan. Pls.

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unclemonster wrote...

you mean adjusting like PS3 users have to where Vorcha flamer is on the trigger and then the geth trooper flamer  flamer is on the triangle button?
again l2adjust it is not too hard
my brain can handle more than 1 setting

what do you do if you play another game and the keys aren't able to be mapped the same as ME3?
look at playing the Talon like it is a different game with different keys
l2adapt!


I have 600 hours on console, It's really not hard as I said. Also if you can claw like a pro (see 5) it's super duper easy.

PC games are supposed to have remappable controls we get to "Have it Our Way". Any AAA title (and most indies) have remappable controls (even back to the 90's). Some people use ESDF for movement and not WASD, some people use Ergonomic or DVORAK keyboards that are laid out differently. Some people use fancy shmancy mice and some use walmart-type.

Also you called us whiny girls yet you complain about not being able to remap console controls:huh:

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unclemonster wrote...

you mean adjusting like PS3 users have to where Vorcha flamer is on the trigger and then the geth trooper flamer  is on the triangle button?
again l2adjust it is not too hard
my brain can handle more than 1 setting

what do you do if you play another game and the keys aren't able to be mapped the same as ME3?
look at playing the Talon like it is a different game with different keys
l2adapt!


It's not about adjusting, powers get switched around on pc too, that's not a console thing, I still occaissonally turn off hunter mode instead of turning on flamer; this is about buttons forcing your fingers into inefficient positions, in fact you can't even press gel/ops/clip if you are strafing the right or you would have to reposition your entire hand.

And what about all the lefties that don't play with WASD? They get screwed even harder when using the Talon.:?