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[dream3873]

I honestly only saw people dying with this character. I never really saw anybody use it as a "I win button".

[BridgeBurner]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

khankar wrote...

OP, you do realise that you can still be sync killed? I really think most of the people calling for nerfs are ones who only play against Geth or on Bronze/Silver.

There was another whining post earlier where the OP was complaining about how broken AIU is because he solo'd Gold against the Geth. Let's see all the complainers solo Collectors on Gold with the AIU.

Or better yet, how about solo Collectors on Platinum if you think AIU is an "I Win" button. If you survive and still think AIU is OP I will respect your opinion.

Until then, stop whining.

You must be new here, I made the first platinum solo on PC and the it was on release day, I also have been soloing gold since demo days also I did solo platinum collectors on condor, also I don't need an infiltrator to solo platinum the first time was with bat soldier then novaguard, etc etc

You have challenged the wrong player this time.
And I don't want to look arrogant, but it makes me laugh when someone tells me that IM a noob just because I admitted that something is broken.

You don't even play the same game we do.  Your FPS is like 5.  The enemies barely even hit you.  Don't speak about a game you don't even play.

PS3 runs at 20 FPS.

Pot, kettle, black. Don't talk about other's frame rates if your own platform barely sustains 20 FPS, and crashes every time a praetorian appears on screen...

[RedJohn]

@console scrub: while recording yes, but if I don't record I play perfectly.
Also, if that were true I wouldn't be scoring over 200K in a chosen map/enemy game no matter the host.

[Happy Shepard]

dream3873 wrote...

I honestly only saw people dying with this character. I never really saw anybody use it as a "I win button".

And i saw people never dying with this character. I never really saw anybody failing at it.

"I win".

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Annomander wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

khankar wrote...

OP, you do realise that you can still be sync killed? I really think most of the people calling for nerfs are ones who only play against Geth or on Bronze/Silver.

There was another whining post earlier where the OP was complaining about how broken AIU is because he solo'd Gold against the Geth. Let's see all the complainers solo Collectors on Gold with the AIU.

Or better yet, how about solo Collectors on Platinum if you think AIU is an "I Win" button. If you survive and still think AIU is OP I will respect your opinion.

Until then, stop whining.

You must be new here, I made the first platinum solo on PC and the it was on release day, I also have been soloing gold since demo days also I did solo platinum collectors on condor, also I don't need an infiltrator to solo platinum the first time was with bat soldier then novaguard, etc etc

You have challenged the wrong player this time.
And I don't want to look arrogant, but it makes me laugh when someone tells me that IM a noob just because I admitted that something is broken.

You don't even play the same game we do.  Your FPS is like 5.  The enemies barely even hit you.  Don't speak about a game you don't even play.

PS3 runs at 20 FPS.

Pot, kettle, black. Don't talk about other's frame rates if your own platform barely sustains 20 FPS, and crashes every time a praetorian appears on screen...

Unfortunately for your example of false equivalence, RedJohn was kind enough to post his videos on YouTube where we can see how enemies can't even hit him with gunfire when he's standing still.  Nice try though.

[UnitedStatesofCookies]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Yeah, to be blunt, I think threads like this are contributing to that whole "elitest scumbag" thing that you brought up earlier, RJ.

The whole notion that you speak for the community, that you know what's best for it, and the desire to impose your will on the community by seeking nerfs with no consideration for anything or anyone has, frankly, put you on the fast track to being an elitist in my book.

This is, at least, the third post you made about the AIU in a little over a week, all about trying to get her negative attention, and you can not be disuaded. I'd call that a wee bit of an obsession.

And as pointed out earlier, you contradict yourself. Skill is knowing how to utilize a character. You say she requires none, but then go on to say it's not your fault that people don't know how to exploit her best ability? If they have no skill they shouldn't have to know how to do anything, yet get the fullest out of her.
And to find these things, you, arguably one of the best players that posts had to find these so called exploits?
Really?

I find it hard to believe you love this character beyond the hell she's raised on the board, and how much attention a thread about her can get, which is a lot, irritatingly.
A lot of attention which causes people to continue making threads about her just for that.
It's safe to say originators of threads like these are going to quickly wear out their welcome. especially those starting multiple threads.

Obviously none of the points I made on the previous thread made a dent in your opinion of her. I expected as much, yet I made'em anyhow.

And I'm doubting anything said in this thread will matter to you, or anyone who wants a nerf for her.
I've found it damn near impossible to discuss anything with a nerf seeker, matter of fact. So all of these threads are damn near pointless to begin with.

Honestly, I'm wondering what good a nerf would do at this point. If she gets nerfed people will continue to **** about her. Lets look at the Krysae, the GI, and the TGI. People still **** about them even after being nerfed to varying degrees, and they're all legendary on this board.

Signed.

Post less, play more.

[khankar]

RedJohn wrote...

khankar wrote...

OP, you do realise that you can still be sync killed? I really think most of the people calling for nerfs are ones who only play against Geth or on Bronze/Silver.

There was another whining post earlier where the OP was complaining about how broken AIU is because he solo'd Gold against the Geth. Let's see all the complainers solo Collectors on Gold with the AIU.

Or better yet, how about solo Collectors on Platinum if you think AIU is an "I Win" button. If you survive and still think AIU is OP I will respect your opinion.

Until then, stop whining.

You must be new here, I made the first platinum solo on PC and the it was on release day, I also have been soloing gold since demo days also I did solo platinum collectors on condor, also I don't need an infiltrator to solo platinum the first time was with bat soldier then novaguard, etc etc

You have challenged the wrong player this time.
And I don't want to look arrogant, but it makes me laugh when someone tells me that IM a noob just because I admitted that something is broken.

No RedJohn, I'm not new here. Thanks for your resume of solo successes but i really didn't ask for it, nor am i impressed. Anyone will skill can solo this game. It's not a record of achievement.

And I don't want to look arrogant...

Too late.

Just because YOU can do well with a character doesn't mean it's broken. Clearly you have skill but If you think a kit is over powered, don't use it. And try not to do Bioware's job. I'm sure they don't need you to tell them what kit is over powered. They do have their own metrics.

[RedJohn]

Happy Shepard wrote...

dream3873 wrote...

I honestly only saw people dying with this character. I never really saw anybody use it as a "I win button".

And i saw people never dying with this character. I never really saw anybody failing at it.

"I win".

I've seen both.

Today I was helping people with the operation in random games.

In one of those games there were 3 edibots in the same lobby, one of them with a sniper rifle lol.

Btw, I was using collector and the enemy was collector, they died a lot A LOT but they never needed to be revived, I was the only one who needed that primitive care.



I helped them to extract they were bronze and silver players but they extracted with no problem.

The thing is one of them never took cover..

[CmnDwnWrkn]

RedJohn wrote...

@console scrub: while recording yes, but if I don't record I play perfectly.
Also, if that were true I wouldn't be scoring over 200K in a chosen map/enemy game no matter the host.

You don't get to call someone "console scrub" when you run your game on a Commodore 64.

[etm125]

Why do people bother making posts like "I saw a lot of bad players with this kit". How is this an argument about the balance of the power?

Arguments always boil down to
1. "I dont have it yet so shut up....you jerk....jerky jerk..."
2. "I like having an iWin button and you're ruining my game!"
3. "This one time. I saw someone suck with it"
4. "Youre an elitist jerk who needs to let casual players play at levels they can't with normal kits"
5. "You're a scrub who got outscored by this kit and now youre just mad"

The funniest threads always have accusations 4 and 5 in them simultaneously (you're so bad and good at the same time!)

You'll notice one thing in common. None of them have anything to say about the power/kit under discussion. None ever try to say another power or kit is comparable and thus should not be nerfed. If the motion is "Repair Matrix is unbalanced and should be brought back to par" the pro side would have to win because all the anti debaters have are ad hominem attacks and ways to dodge the main point.

Infinite medigels is not a balanced power. Period. It's going to be nerfed. It will still be overpowered but at least it will be in the same universe as the other 63 kits.

Modifié par etm125, 07 mars 2013 - 12:08 .

[Eelectrica]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Yeah, to be blunt, I think threads like this are contributing to that whole "elitest scumbag" thing that you brought up earlier, RJ.

The whole notion that you speak for the community, that you know what's best for it, and the desire to impose your will on the community by seeking nerfs with no consideration for anything or anyone has, frankly, put you on the fast track to being an elitist in my book.

This is, at least, the third post you made about the AIU in a little over a week, all about trying to get her negative attention, and you can not be disuaded. I'd call that a wee bit of an obsession.

And as pointed out earlier, you contradict yourself. Skill is knowing how to utilize a character. You say she requires none, but then go on to say it's not your fault that people don't know how to exploit her best ability? If they have no skill they shouldn't have to know how to do anything, yet get the fullest out of her.
And to find these things, you, arguably one of the best players that posts had to find these so called exploits?
Really?

I find it hard to believe you love this character beyond the hell she's raised on the board, and how much attention a thread about her can get, which is a lot, irritatingly.
A lot of attention which causes people to continue making threads about her just for that.
It's safe to say originators of threads like these are going to quickly wear out their welcome. especially those starting multiple threads.
M
Obviously none of the points I made on the previous thread made a dent in your opinion of her. I expected as much, yet I made'em anyhow.

And I'm doubting anything said in this thread will matter to you, or anyone who wants a nerf for her.
I've found it damn near impossible to discuss anything with a nerf seeker, matter of fact. So all of these threads are damn near pointless to begin with.

Honestly, I'm wondering what good a nerf would do at this point. If she gets nerfed people will continue to **** about her. Lets look at the Krysae, the GI, and the TGI. People still **** about them even after being nerfed to varying degrees, and they're all legendary on this board.

Wow well said. Of course these guys have no problems speed running glacier controling enemy spawns rocketing everything.

I'm just wondering where are the calls for this to be balanced as well. Certainly more game bresking than edibot.
Best wishes to people on those speed runs. They've broken the game wide open though. 

Modifié par Eelectrica, 07 mars 2013 - 12:13 .

[cronshaw]

RedJohn wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...

dream3873 wrote...

I honestly only saw people dying with this character. I never really saw anybody use it as a "I win button".

And i saw people never dying with this character. I never really saw anybody failing at it.

"I win".

I've seen both.

Today I was helping people with the operation in random games.

In one of those games there were 3 edibots in the same lobby, one of them with a sniper rifle lol.

Btw, I was using collector and the enemy was collector, they died a lot A LOT but they never needed to be revived, I was the only one who needed that primitive care.

I helped them to extract they were bronze and silver players but they extracted with no problem.

The thing is one of them never took cover..

How would they have done with another "silver player" with an AIU instead of you?
would the mission have failed if it were you and they all had Krogan Vanguards?
my guess is:
failed
and 
no

Modifié par modok8, 07 mars 2013 - 12:09 .

[Original Twigman]

etm125 wrote...

Why do people bother making posts like "I saw a lot of bad players with this kit". How is this an argument about the balance of the power?

Arguments always boil down to
1. "I dont have it yet so shut up....you jerk....jerky jerk..."
2. "I like having an iWin button and you're ruining my game!"
3. "This one time. I saw someone suck with it"
4. "Youre an elitist jerk who needs to let casual players play at levels they can't with normal kits"
5. "You're a scrub who got outscored by this kit and now youre just mad"

The funniest threads always have accusations 4 and 5 in them simultaneously (you're so bad and good at the same time!)

You'll notice one thing in common. None of them have anything to say about the power/kit under discussion. None ever try to say another power or kit is comparable and thus should not be nerfed. If the motion is "Repair Matrix is unbalanced and should be brought back to par" the pro side would have to win because all the anti debaters have are ad hominem attacks and ways to dodge the main point.

Infinite medigels is not a balanced power. Period. It's going to be nerfed. It will still be overpowered but at least it will be in the same universe as the other 63 kits.

there have been plenty of well grounded arguments, you obviously haven't read them or are cherry-picking if you think those are the only ones

[BridgeBurner]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

@console scrub: while recording yes, but if I don't record I play perfectly.
Also, if that were true I wouldn't be scoring over 200K in a chosen map/enemy game no matter the host.

You don't get to call someone "console scrub" when you run your game on a Commodore 64.

Running FRAPS alongside a PC game... You'd be surprised how resource intensive it is.

Getting poor frame rates with FRAPS is pretty common unless your set-up is decent enough; FRAPS has no option to alter the writing bit rate, meaning you're essentially recording extremely high quality chunks (almost lossless) of video; taking up usually around 1 gb of HDD space per minute of footage at 720p, substantially more if you record at 1080p.

FRAPS improves greatly by having a fast HDD write speed, giving better frame rates. So if RJ plays at 30 FPS, and records at 15 FPS... he's still 10 FPS higher than you on the PS3 while he's playing, and runs at 15 FPS on extraction (when it isn't really relevant anyway, as all you're doing is kiting).

Recording extraction waves at 15 FPS is no big deal, RJ wouldn't play an entire game at 15 FPS though. If you ever try playing a PC shooter at 15 FPS you'll understand what I'm talking about when your mouse movement becomes so jagged and sluggish that it's impossible to hit anything. 

Of course, if you weren't a console scrub, you'd know these things...

Modifié par Annomander, 07 mars 2013 - 12:14 .

[RedJohn]

Omg these people...

Look, the this thread is to see YOUR or opinion in the matter.

Is not to argue against me about if edi is OP or not, this is to see YOUR opinion about what you think the incoming Nerf would be like.

So people, let's not go offtopic fighting against each other

[Lord Rosario]

Happy Shepard wrote...

dream3873 wrote...

I honestly only saw people dying with this character. I never really saw anybody use it as a "I win button".

And i saw people never dying with this character. I never really saw anybody failing at it.

"I win".

Yes. The character is op because you get right back up after being killed, yet, you see people never dying? Hrmm.. Very interesting.

[Original Twigman]

RedJohn wrote...

Also, if that were true I wouldn't be scoring over 200K in a chosen map/enemy game no matter the host.

Didn't you only score in the high 300ks (maybe low 400ks?) in one of your rounds for the arena challenge with one other person?

Edit:


Kind of a bad score....

To be fair, though you did get this:

<IMG src="http://i.imgur.com/VRMThGq.jpg" alt=""/>
But hardly worth score bragging about

Modifié par Original Stikman, 07 mars 2013 - 12:27 .

[Genshie]

RedJohn wrote...

Omg these people...

Look, the this thread is to see YOUR or opinion in the matter.

Is not to argue against me about if edi is OP or not, this is to see YOUR opinion about what you think the incoming Nerf would be like.

So people, let's not go offtopic fighting against each other

I thought they were done with ME3 like for good? Besides the weekend events I honestly don't see them doing anything else for this game. (That includes not doing any patches)

[RedJohn]

Annomander wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

@console scrub: while recording yes, but if I don't record I play perfectly.
Also, if that were true I wouldn't be scoring over 200K in a chosen map/enemy game no matter the host.

You don't get to call someone "console scrub" when you run your game on a Commodore 64.

Running FRAPS alongside a PC game... You'd be surprised how resource intensive it is.

Getting poor frame rates with FRAPS is pretty common unless your set-up is decent enough; FRAPS has no option to alter the writing bit rate, meaning you're essentially recording extremely high quality chunks (almost lossless) of video; taking up usually around 1 gb of HDD space per minute of footage at 720p, substantially more if you record at 1080p.

FRAPS improves greatly by having a fast HDD write speed, giving better frame rates. So if RJ plays at 30 FPS, and records at 15 FPS... he's still 10 FPS higher than you on the PS3 while he's playing, and runs at 15 FPS on extraction (when it isn't really relevant anyway, as all you're doing is kiting).

Of course, if you weren't a console scrub, you'd know these things...

Leave him annomander, he just won't understand, their kind can't process the greatness.

Also all his post have always negative content, I've Never seen him posting about something good let's don't waste our master race time in an inferior race

[Genshie]

etm125 wrote...

Why do people bother making posts like "I saw a lot of bad players with this kit". How is this an argument about the balance of the power?

Arguments always boil down to
1. "I dont have it yet so shut up....you jerk....jerky jerk..."
2. "I like having an iWin button and you're ruining my game!"
3. "This one time. I saw someone suck with it"
4. "Youre an elitist jerk who needs to let casual players play at levels they can't with normal kits"
5. "You're a scrub who got outscored by this kit and now youre just mad"

The funniest threads always have accusations 4 and 5 in them simultaneously (you're so bad and good at the same time!)

You'll notice one thing in common. None of them have anything to say about the power/kit under discussion. None ever try to say another power or kit is comparable and thus should not be nerfed. If the motion is "Repair Matrix is unbalanced and should be brought back to par" the pro side would have to win because all the anti debaters have are ad hominem attacks and ways to dodge the main point.

Infinite medigels is not a balanced power. Period. It's going to be nerfed. It will still be overpowered but at least it will be in the same universe as the other 63 kits.

What people seem to forget is that it doesn't always work. So you want to nerf the one unique aspect kit?

[Lord Rosario]

RedJohn wrote...

Omg these people...

Look, the this thread is to see YOUR or opinion in the matter.

Is not to argue against me about if edi is OP or not, this is to see YOUR opinion about what you think the incoming Nerf would be like.

So people, let's not go offtopic fighting against each other

Then don't start the OP with putting your opinion in the mouth of everyone else. Obviously, the one's that disagree are going to speak up if you go and say "As we know, the Alliance Infiltrator Unit is broken..."

[Genshie]

RedJohn wrote...

Annomander wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

@console scrub: while recording yes, but if I don't record I play perfectly.
Also, if that were true I wouldn't be scoring over 200K in a chosen map/enemy game no matter the host.

You don't get to call someone "console scrub" when you run your game on a Commodore 64.

Running FRAPS alongside a PC game... You'd be surprised how resource intensive it is.

Getting poor frame rates with FRAPS is pretty common unless your set-up is decent enough; FRAPS has no option to alter the writing bit rate, meaning you're essentially recording extremely high quality chunks (almost lossless) of video; taking up usually around 1 gb of HDD space per minute of footage at 720p, substantially more if you record at 1080p.

FRAPS improves greatly by having a fast HDD write speed, giving better frame rates. So if RJ plays at 30 FPS, and records at 15 FPS... he's still 10 FPS higher than you on the PS3 while he's playing, and runs at 15 FPS on extraction (when it isn't really relevant anyway, as all you're doing is kiting).

Of course, if you weren't a console scrub, you'd know these things...

Leave him annomander, he just won't understand, their kind can't process the greatness.

Also all his post have always negative content, I've Never seen him posting about something good let's don't waste our master race time in an inferior race

Dude you are starting to go a little too far with this.

Modifié par Genshie, 07 mars 2013 - 12:18 .

[SpartanKing145]

RedJohn wrote...

Omg these people...

Look, the this thread is to see YOUR or opinion in the matter.

Is not to argue against me about if edi is OP or not, this is to see YOUR opinion about what you think the incoming Nerf would be like.

So people, let's not go offtopic fighting against each other

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen...
Let's be rational: you created this thread not to discuss,  but to add fuel to the already ongoing fire. After all, you could have used other threads that were already addressing this very same subject.
You can deny all you want, but this is the truth.

[etm125]

Original Stikman wrote...

there have been plenty of well grounded arguments, you obviously haven't read them or are cherry-picking if you think those are the only ones

I've been reading and posting in these threads for a week (I think we all need a better hobby) and the only post Ive read that comes close to a counter argument was from Cyonan about the invincibility frames from certain power combinations and shield boosting offering something close to the invulnerability of EDI. Kroguard with a reegar, volus, etc. Every other one Ive come across dodges a discussion of the balance of powers and game mechanics. "If you dont like it dont play it". Dodging the motion again. "This game is dying anyway, let it be". No mechanics. "Its a co-op game nothing is overpowered"! Dodging, dodging, dodging. 

[Original Twigman]

etm125 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

there have been plenty of well grounded arguments, you obviously haven't read them or are cherry-picking if you think those are the only ones

I've been reading and posting in these threads for a week (I think we all need a better hobby) and the only post Ive read that comes close to a counter argument was from Cyonan about the invincibility frames from certain power combinations and shield boosting offering something close to the invulnerability of EDI. Kroguard with a reegar, volus, etc. Every other one Ive come across dodges a discussion of the balance of powers and game mechanics. "If you dont like it dont play it". Dodging the motion again. "This game is dying anyway, let it be". No mechanics. "Its a co-op game nothing is overpowered"! Dodging, dodging, dodging. 

Yeah... cherry picking...

There have been plenty