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Beheadings? YES!! After effects of rape? Not so much


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I was unclear it seems. The thought is terrifying, at least to me. I don't run around flinching at shadows, but I do tend to be real careful in some situations. It is unfortunate that sociey at large does not believe that "No" actually means "No".

Although it never happened to me (yet), I do know up-close and personal what rape can do to a woman. It's heart-breaking, to say the least. The poor elf lying on the floor in a fetal position and crying actually made me cringe, and I had to walk away from the computer for a while.

That's quite enough. More would be utterly cruel.


Hopefully for me, I've never had any relative family or friend being raped (unless they hided it). 

However when I was younger one of my classmate came to us (friend group) a morning to tell us she was caught by a threatening guy who touched her where he shouldnt, while she was on the way to school. Fortunatly that did not go further, but still she needed sometimes to recover from the fear.

When I was just a baby my mother who was going back home walking with me in the babycart thingie, was victim of a rape attempt. But once her pants was done, the raper lost motivation when he noticed it was not the "good period of the month" for my mother. My mother laughs about that last point, so I guess I can find it funny too  Image IPB
She said she was mostly worrying about me during the aggression.

However my mother never told my father, because she knew he would have been mad and hunting the guy to death enventuallyy, and did not want my father to worry everyday about it. And she only told me this story when I was an adult.

But I agree with what you say, paranoia is counterproductive, but being carefull does not hurt and can prevent landing in bad situation.

Modifié par elys, 13 janvier 2010 - 05:55 .


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KnightofPhoenix

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This has become a very depressing thread...

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

This has become a very depressing thread...


Ok sorry. Back to DAO! Image IPB

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How about we change it so Vaughn is a homosexual and takes the male elf and the female goes to rescue him but is a bit too late. Still want to see the after effects?

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Skellimancer wrote...

How about we change it so Vaughn is a homosexual and takes the male elf and the female goes to rescue him but is a bit too late. Still want to see the after effects?


Are you serious?

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Skellimancer wrote...

How about we change it so Vaughn is a homosexual and takes the male elf and the female goes to rescue him but is a bit too late. Still want to see the after effects?


Are you serious?


What does your heart tell you?

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Skellimancer wrote...

How about we change it so Vaughn is a homosexual and takes the male elf and the female goes to rescue him but is a bit too late. Still want to see the after effects?


Well put. Indeed very well put. Male to male rapes are not as common, but think about that. A man is taken and sexually abused in the most intrusive way possible by three other men. How about we show some bruises, torn clothing etc.? Makes one think, doesn't it?

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Skellimancer wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
Are you serious?

What does your heart tell you?

Hoping that it is a no. I would not want it for either, but if I would want it, why would I be less accepting of it being a male? You think that males do not feel sympathy for anything unless it is another male that is the victim?

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Skellimancer wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
Are you serious?

What does your heart tell you?

Hoping that it is a no. I would not want it for either, but if I would want it, why would I be less accepting of it being a male? You think that males do not feel sympathy for anything unless it is another male that is the victim?


I hope we do not see either situation, ever.

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Skellimancer wrote...

How about we change it so Vaughn is a homosexual and takes the male elf and the female goes to rescue him but is a bit too late. Still want to see the after effects?


Such an excellent point. I can practically hear throats being cleared all over the world-"Well, er... some things are best left to the imagination..ahem", and all that.

Alll the PC needs to do is talk with Shianni after the events, and listen to the tone of her voice. That is as explicit as it needs to get.

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From way upthread:

Enkara the Red wrote...

When I first played the City Elf origin, I was unsure what was going on when I first entered the room with Vaughan an co.
I saw Shianni on the floor, but as the OP said, she was fully clothed.
Then she said, "Just take me home."

Kudos to the voice actress. Just from the way that was said, all ambiguity was removed from the scene. I knew they had raped her.


This.  Just this.

Sometimes less is more.

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I agree, JosieJ. Everything surrounding the scene is enough. Actually it's more than enough. It struck me deep inside and seeing more would just have been far, far too much.

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It seems that you are serious. Well, seems that we males are despicable and cannot understand anything unless someone of the same sex is the one being the victim.



What do you think? That the grounds for this is based in males thinking that it is sexy seeing a rape victim or what?



Meh, now I am just getting myself worked up over nothing. Good day to you.

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Sorry for joining this thread late, as I didn't want to post from work on my mobile. There are a few things I wanted to say that I would rather be home at the PC and make sure that I put my thoughts down as best I can.

Now, first off, I like to point out that those affected by rape includes males even if the primary victim is female. Parents, husbands, boyfriends or even just friends.
I cannot even begin to describe the helplessness, rage and utter need to do something when one finds out a loved one is raped. Or how much it hurts to see someone flinch when you touch them. Or where once you'd enjoy each other's closeness and intimacy, now there's a wall between you and nothing you say or do can change the fact that you know what happened and she knows you know.
Its been slightly more then 20 years now, but I still remember. I always wondered if the reason why she left the country was just so that she can get a fresh start where she won't have anyone reminding her of her past.

Shianni's reaction is very much like hers. Denial of what has happened. She wants to put it in the past and forget that it ever happened. Push it far back enough and in her mind, it never did. Just a guess.

As for the need of more "visual" indication of the rape. There is no need. Shianni's voice acting and tone is more then enough. As many others have already pointed out, there are so many cues and clues as to what actually happened that only those who are oblivious to the signs (isn't ignorance bliss?) won't realise that Shianni was raped and perhaps gang raped several times before you got there.

Modifié par Archonsg, 13 janvier 2010 - 07:34 .


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Since the beginning of the thread, and throughout reading the various posts, I've been thinking quite a bit about that topic again (and discussed it with friends).

I my opinion they did their best to convey the essence of the deed. Torn clothes and bruises can mean anything, but Shianni's body language and voice really tell the tale of being violated in the integrity of ones soul, shattered and broken.



Hopelessness, helplessness, complete loss of control. It is the same feeling no matter what gender you are, nor if it is torture or rape.



Basically I would have pretty much felt the same way if that scene had involved a male friend of mine in that scene instead of Shianni. He lying on the floor rolled up like a fetus and saying in a subdued voice 'Take me away from here. Please.'.

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Archonsg wrote...
There are a few things I wanted to say that I would rather be home at the PC and make sure that I put my thoughts down as best I can.

Your post brought tears to my eyes.  I'm sorry you and your loved one had to go through this. 

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Archonsg wrote...

Sorry for joining this thread late, as I didn't want to post from work on my mobile. There are a few things I wanted to say that I would rather be home at the PC and make sure that I put my thoughts down as best I can.

Now, first off, I like to point out that those affected by rape includes males even if the primary victim is female. Parents, husbands, boyfriends or even just friends.
I cannot even begin to describe the helplessness, rage and utter need to do something when one finds out a loved one is raped. Or how much it hurts to see someone flinch when you touch them. Or where once you'd enjoy each other's closeness and intimacy, now there's a wall between you and nothing you say or do can change the fact that you know what happened and she knows you know.
Its been slightly more then 20 years now, but I still remember. I always wondered if the reason why she left the country was just so that she can get a fresh start where she won't have anyone to reminding her of her past.

Shianni's reaction is very much like hers. Denial of what has happened. She wants to put it in the past and forget that it ever happened. Push it far back enough and in her mind, it never did. Just a guess.

As for the need of more "visual" indication of the rape. There is no need. Shianni's voice acting and tone is more then enough. As many others have already pointed out, there are so many cues and clues as to what actaually happened that only those who are oblivious to the signs (isn't ignorance bliss?) won't realise that Shianni was raped and perhaps gang raped several times before you got there.


Yes. I counsel rape victims, and I absolutely have to take breaks from that to prevent total and utter burn-out. I have to maintain a professional facade while cringing and crying inside. The actual rape is bad enough, but the aftermath is truly horrible. There is a reason why soldiers who conquer a piece of real estate rape the women. It is meant to utterly destroy the women and the men of the conquered land thoroughly. It's not sex, or love or anything like that, it is purely a demonstration of power, and making the victim feel as if she/he was nothing but a piece of meat. It's utterly dehumanizing.

Nothing can compare to the feelings a rape victim has, be it female or male. The helplessness, the fear, the utter self-contempt for being unable to prevent it. What surrounds a rape victim is much more terrifying than the act itself. It has the potential to completely destroy a woman (and a man for that matter).

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Creature 1 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
There are a few things I wanted to say that I would rather be home at the PC and make sure that I put my thoughts down as best I can.

Your post brought tears to my eyes.  I'm sorry you and your loved one had to go through this. 


Thanks. Its a long time ago. She left, I married someone else and have with three children from my wife, all of  whom I love very much.
But as I said, I still remember and sometimes wonder what if things were differnent, you know?

Modifié par Archonsg, 13 janvier 2010 - 07:22 .


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JosieJ wrote...

From way upthread:

Enkara the Red wrote...

When I first played the City Elf origin, I was unsure what was going on when I first entered the room with Vaughan an co.
I saw Shianni on the floor, but as the OP said, she was fully clothed.
Then she said, "Just take me home."

Kudos to the voice actress. Just from the way that was said, all ambiguity was removed from the scene. I knew they had raped her.


This.  Just this.

Sometimes less is more.


Indeed! Never felt such a righteous rage and satisfying vengeance ever before this origin. Even it left me feel a little bit hollow in the end, since all the killing didn't help to prevent Shianni from getting hurt. In my imagination the others took Shianni home, and I took my time with Vaughn...

My dialogue went along the lines:
Shianni: Did you kill them?
Morima (my fem. CE rogue): I killed them like dogs!
Shianni: Good.

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Or ...



Shianni : Are they all dead?

Evellyn : If they aren't, I bet they wished they are. I used a very dull spoon.

Shianni : Whaaat?

Evellyn : It just hurts more then a knife...trust me.

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And killing them made me feel better. But not all better. Shianni's shade in the gauntlet helped, and seeing her proudly defending the Alienage helped even more. She was wounded, but not broken.



Bioware had the courage to take on a very harsh subject, and treated it with unflinching candor and respect. It wasn't some cheap "get the hero mad so they can kick butt" scene, but something that profoundly affected the characters, both the MC and NPCs.



I can't remember the last time I've been so moved by a fictional scene in any medium: videogame, movie or book.

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SuperMedbh wrote...

And killing them made me feel better. But not all better. Shianni's shade in the gauntlet helped, and seeing her proudly defending the Alienage helped even more. She was wounded, but not broken.

Bioware had the courage to take on a very harsh subject, and treated it with unflinching candor and respect. It wasn't some cheap "get the hero mad so they can kick butt" scene, but something that profoundly affected the characters, both the MC and NPCs.

I can't remember the last time I've been so moved by a fictional scene in any medium: videogame, movie or book.


Agreed. But I think she was broken in a sense, however, she healed because she had to. I love the character of Shianni, and I am glad she bounced back like that. Having to live in the alienage is simply horrid. Shianni is one of my favorite characters, even though I still have to play my city-elf all the way though.

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So wait, you wanted to see a gratitious rape scene? Congrats I now dub you the creepiest person on this board. Congrats!

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thats life. that start is a downer and pisses one off and drive you. that happiest day turns to the worst day of the players life

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So wait, you wanted to see a gratitious rape scene? Congrats I now dub you the creepiest person on this board. Congrats!

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No.
I tihnk that the OP just wanted some visual indication that it was a rape.