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[Herr Uhl]

NicklasBertelsen wrote...
whats ironic about it?

The fact that you do not write very well and claim to be a bioware fan.

[Quientus]

Chuck Norris ...

- You just will *NOT* be able to win, regardless of whether you cheat or not ...


Kidding aside ...

Best main villain for an expansion would be the PC ("Grey Warden gone rogue")

[Lockkaliber]

edit: doublepost.

Modifié par Lockkaliber, 13 janvier 2010 - 01:13 .

[Lockkaliber]

AndhairaX wrote...

Solostran85 wrote...

vortex590 wrote...

It always confuses me when people praise KotOR 2 as so awesome. I found it to be a buggy,unfinished and generally uninspired. It seemed to me to be obviously rushed out the door in order to make a Christmas launch. but to each their own I guess.

Lets pray they do not make the dragon age sequel. They've ruined enough bioware games! with crappy sequels.

I disagree entirely.

KotOR for example was a completely childish experience. Characters like Carth Ohcrying were downright annoying with his constant mistrust on everything and everyone. The main character had saved his ass several times and being by his side all along but still he couldn't change his tone throughout the game.

Carths motivations might have been valid, but the execution of them in the game are nothing short of fangirl pandering bull****. No grown man acts that way. Also, he had to have been deeply disturbed and disconnected to reality to lash out the way he did at the PC, something that isn't concistent with his otherwise good and reliable character.

[Late Lord Fuj]

A grown man on estrogen therapy does act that way. Maybe Carth is looking for a plastic surgeon with good skill and without morals?

[AndhairaX]

Now look, this is getting ridiculous.

I came in here to start an intelligent, civilized conversation with you people but so far all I'm seeing is people pointing fingers and disagreeing with each other without arguments. I thought higher of this place given Bioware is an old company and with a respectable fanbase. However this constant "nay I think Bioware is gud lol omg ur wrong" is nonsense. Bioware games have always been about dialog and choices and passing emotion to the players so it should have gathered a more mature audience in here. That Nicklas person is obviously derailing this conversation and trying to get this topic closed, it's almost like this is not the Bioware forums I used to know  but something much worse.

Please guys stay on topic.

Also what about Bethesda? They've managed to make instant classics like Oblivion and Fallout3, turning old, outdated IPs into something better that we all could enjoy in our next-gen gaming age. I bet they could make a worthy expansion for DA, what do you guys think?

Discuss!!

[NicklasBertelsen]

Maria Caliban wrote...

You claim that BioWare fans know good writing from bad, but you make that claim with eye-gougingly bad writing.

LOL doeznt matter i can stil tell good writig from bad as can my brother hes 15 and showd me whats gud and whats bad. besides do anyone disagree taht obsididen is MUCH WORSE than Bioware= Who would? not anyone intelligent LOL.

[Herr Uhl]

AndhairaX wrote...
Also what about Bethesda? They've managed to make instant classics like Oblivion and Fallout3, turning old, outdated IPs into something better that we all could enjoy in our next-gen gaming age. I bet they could make a worthy expansion for DA, what do you guys think?

Nah, they do sandbox games lacking story.

Story-wise, I like the old fallouts better, that is what was the question here right?

[Late Lord Fuj]

AndhairaX wrote...

Now look, this is getting ridiculous.

I came in here to start an intelligent, civilized conversation with you people but so far all I'm seeing is people pointing fingers and disagreeing with each other without arguments. I thought higher of this place given Bioware is an old company and with a respectable fanbase. However this constant "nay I think Bioware is gud lol omg ur wrong" is nonsense. Bioware games have always been about dialog and choices and passing emotion to the players so it should have gathered a more mature audience in here. That Nicklas person is obviously derailing this conversation and trying to get this topic closed, it's almost like this is not the Bioware forums I used to know  but something much worse.

Please guys stay on topic.

Also what about Bethesda? They've managed to make instant classics like Oblivion and Fallout3, turning old, outdated IPs into something better that we all could enjoy in our next-gen gaming age. I bet they could make a worthy expansion for DA, what do you guys think?

Discuss!!

Yes, there are a few features Dragon's Age lacks to be considered the true next-gen game, and Bethesda has repeteadly proven itself as an expert in that field. A magnificent dialogu wheel designed by the mastermind of Todd Howard, should replace obsolete long sentences like the ones present in Dragon's Age. I mean, who speaks that way. I mean, in everyday sentences, like when you talk to the MCD employee in the drive through, do you order a triple cheeseburger with the extralarge portion of fries and maybe ask about rumors, or do you use complex and incomprehensible long sentences? Everybody knows that book and text are obsolete concepts to be replaced with cinematics and movies. Everybody who played Dragon's age just pressed 1 on all dialogues to skip them ASAP and get on with exciting fighting (especially the one in the best part of the game, the Deer Roads). Also, the camera in Dragon's Age is not next-gen enough. It needs to be a from a first person perspective with bloom caressing your eyes from all sides. And finally, there is a sad lack of horses and guns and both are right up Bethesda'ss alley. So, go with the flow and embrace the change and make Bethesda do the sequel.

[TheMufflon]

AndhairaX wrote...

Also what about Bethesda? They've managed to make instant classics like Oblivion and Fallout3, turning old, outdated IPs into something better that we all could enjoy in our next-gen gaming age. I bet they could make a worthy expansion for DA, what do you guys think?

Discuss!!

Are you seriouly claiming that Oblivion is better than Morrowind and that Fallout 3 is better than Fallout? Seriously?

Besides, Bethesda has never been know for creating deep characters (villains or otherwise) or interesting dialogue, they would be a horrible choice for Dragon Age. They should continue doing what they do best, sandbox cRPGs.

[TheMufflon]

Late Lord Fuj wrote...

Yes, there are a few features Dragon's Age lacks to be considered the true next-gen game, and Bethesda has repeteadly proven itself as an expert in that field. A magnificent dialogu wheel designed by the mastermind of Todd Howard, should replace obsolete long sentences like the ones present in Dragon's Age. I mean, who speaks that way. I mean, in everyday sentences, like when you talk to the MCD employee in the drive through, do you order a triple cheeseburger with the extralarge portion of fries and maybe ask about rumors, or do you use complex and incomprehensible long sentences? Everybody knows that book and text are obsolete concepts to be replaced with cinematics and movies. Everybody who played Dragon's age just pressed 1 on all dialogues to skip them ASAP and get on with exciting fighting (especially the one in the best part of the game, the Deer Roads). Also, the camera in Dragon's Age is not next-gen enough. It needs to be a from a first person perspective with bloom caressing your eyes from all sides. And finally, there is a sad lack of horses and guns and both are right up Bethesda'ss alley. So, go with the flow and embrace the change and make Bethesda do the sequel.

LOL doeznt matter i can stil tell good writig from bad as can my
brother hes 15 and showd me whats gud and whats bad. besides do anyone
disagree taht obsididen is MUCH WORSE than Bioware= Who would? not
anyone intelligent LOL.

The thread might have derailed, but the trolls continue to deliver pure hilarity.

[NicklasBertelsen]

wtf dude. im no trool.

[Late Lord Fuj]

Considering the best villiani, this is also something that is best handled by Bethesda. I mean, the villain in Faklout 3 is, like, a computer. Like hello! Do you think that anybody else has the capability of producing such a complex villain? I mean, you have to be pretty crafty to build a computer with a personality. Strong AI, like, ain't even out yet (though Radiant AI is pretty close, I guess).

EDIT ADDED:

Also, the best story is the one you imagine in your head while you play. It is the best when you don't get served everything up front, but use your imaginatiuon, like in Fallout 3 when you're shooting from a Fatman nuclear launcher you imagine that you spread radiation all over and you and your faithful companion have to go decontaminate, or in Oblivion when you imagine you are a noble knight riding a horse and saving the world.
This is how the best stories in RPGs are being told: http://www.youtube.c...?v=j_ekugPKqFw. No extra letters, just in-your-face, no-holds-barred dark, gritty and mature realistic cinematic next-gen experience.

When I write this I feel the need to pass something out of my system. I feel that Dragon Age is good for what it is, but many features can be improved my making them next-gen. See Mass Effect as a good example - Bioware follows Bethesda's footsteps with the dialogue wheel and the result is a dashing success. It will also happen with Alpha Proctocool that is set to be a real SLAM DUNK, but such a success would be impossible without Bethesda's next gen invention. Just like the invention of the wheel has forever changed the human history, the invention of the Dialogue Wheel by Todd Howard has changed the gaming forever, bringing us into the True Next-Gen Era.

Modifié par Late Lord Fuj, 13 janvier 2010 - 01:56 .

[Lockkaliber]

TheMufflon wrote...

AndhairaX wrote...

Also what about Bethesda? They've managed to make instant classics like Oblivion and Fallout3, turning old, outdated IPs into something better that we all could enjoy in our next-gen gaming age. I bet they could make a worthy expansion for DA, what do you guys think?

Discuss!!

Are you seriouly claiming that Oblivion is better than Morrowind and that Fallout 3 is better than Fallout? Seriously?

Besides, Bethesda has never been know for creating deep characters (villains or otherwise) or interesting dialogue, they would be a horrible choice for Dragon Age. They should continue doing what they do best, sandbox cRPGs.

What's not better about Oblivion when compared to Morrowing? I seriously don't get the Morrowind fanboys. It's just an earlier version of Oblivion, with uglier graphics, worse art direction and a lot of boring walking around an island. Can't comment on the fallout thing since I gave up on the older ones about 30 minutes into them (like many others I've talked with so go figure), despite some people having an orgasm whenever they talk about them. Fallout 3 on the other hand I had lots of fun with. Pretty much one of the most immersive games I've played this decade.

Also I think it's not fair to compare Bethesda and Bioware because they making very different games, but in light of their recent accomplishments I'd have to say I'd be a lot more happy with a DA sequel from Beth, since Bioware didn't deliver what they said they would. Beth on the other hand has a pretty much perfect track record over these last years.

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[KilrB]

Obsidian?

Not just no but HELL NO!!!

Obsidian has already ruined NwN and SW:KotOR.

Please ... PLEASE ... don't let them anywhere near Dragon Age!

BioWare has consistently given us great games with great stories with heroes and villains to match.

It's their game, leave it to them.

[TheMufflon]

Lockkaliber wrote...

What's not better about Oblivion when compared to Morrowing? I seriously don't get the Morrowind fanboys. It's just an earlier version of Oblivion, with uglier graphics, worse art direction and a lot of boring walking around an island.

In short: Everything, except graphics. Like you say, they're pretty much the same game. They're both large sandbox cRPGs with short plots tacked on for good measure. The difference is that Morrowind has more:

It has more places to go. It has more monsters to fight. It has more caves to explore. It has more skills to develop. It has more spells to cast. It has more organizations to join. It has more quests to do. It has more loot to take. It has more books to read. It has more houses to rob. It has more cliffs to jump off. It has more unsuspecting NPCs to stab. It has more naked Nords standing in the middle of the road.

Morrowind simply has more toys in it's sandbox, and sandboxes are all about the toys.

[NicklasBertelsen]

KilrB wrote...

Obsidian?

Not just no but HELL NO!!!

Obsidian has already ruined NwN and SW:KotOR.

Please ... PLEASE ... don't let them anywhere near Dragon Age!

BioWare has consistently given us great games with great stories with heroes and villains to match.

It's their game, leave it to them.

I agree the black/white simplicity and poor writign of obsidion cannot beat the intresting and mastrful plot construction of biowore- everyting biowore deos is just so original you never know whats gonna happen in their stories!

[AndhairaX]

TheMufflon wrote...

Lockkaliber wrote...

What's not better about Oblivion when compared to Morrowing? I seriously don't get the Morrowind fanboys. It's just an earlier version of Oblivion, with uglier graphics, worse art direction and a lot of boring walking around an island.

In short: Everything, except graphics. Like you say, they're pretty much the same game. They're both large sandbox cRPGs with short plots tacked on for good measure. The difference is that Morrowind has more:

It has more places to go. It has more monsters to fight. It has more caves to explore. It has more skills to develop. It has more spells to cast. It has more organizations to join. It has more quests to do. It has more loot to take. It has more books to read. It has more houses to rob. It has more cliffs to jump off. It has more unsuspecting NPCs to stab. It has more naked Nords standing in the middle of the road.

Morrowind simply has more toys in it's sandbox, and sandboxes are all about the toys.

That's not true. Oblivion's game world is approximately 16 square miles, whereas Morrowind had only 6 square miles. Thus Oblivion is obviously the better game with much more content.

[Late Lord Fuj]

TheMufflon wrote...

Lockkaliber wrote...

What's not better about Oblivion when compared to Morrowing? I seriously don't get the Morrowind fanboys. It's just an earlier version of Oblivion, with uglier graphics, worse art direction and a lot of boring walking around an island.

In short: Everything, except graphics. Like you say, they're pretty much the same game. They're both large sandbox cRPGs with short plots tacked on for good measure. The difference is that Morrowind has more:

It has more places to go. It has more monsters to fight. It has more caves to explore. It has more skills to develop. It has more spells to cast. It has more organizations to join. It has more quests to do. It has more loot to take. It has more books to read. It has more houses to rob. It has more cliffs to jump off. It has more unsuspecting NPCs to stab. It has more naked Nords standing in the middle of the road.

Morrowind simply has more toys in it's sandbox, and sandboxes are all about the toys.

But graphics outshines everything. Why would you even want to play an ugly obsolete game when you can bask in the Bloom of Oblivion? Also, heavan't you read what I wrote:

When I write this I feel the need to pass something out of my system. I
feel that Dragon Age is good for what it is, but many features can be
improved my making them next-gen. See Mass Effect as a good example -
Bioware follows Bethesda's footsteps with the dialogue wheel and the
result is a dashing success. It will also happen with Alpha Proctocool
that is set to be a real SLAM DUNK, but such a success would be
impossible without Bethesda's next gen invention. Just like the
invention of the wheel has forever changed the human history, the
invention of the Dialogue Wheel by Todd Howard has changed the gaming
forever, bringing us into the True Next-Gen Era.

Everybody agrees that Mass Effect was and is the Game of the Year, primarily because it let go of the shackles imposed by an obsolete PC platform and embracing the Next-Gen capabilities of Microsoft X-Box, but the roots of such an approach is Oblivion. So, Oblivion is a truely revolutionary game that has propelled a RPG genre into the stratosphere. And by the way, Oblivion is the best selling game, much better selling than Morrowind, so the people have decided. Democracy awards a winning point to Oblivion.

Modifié par Late Lord Fuj, 13 janvier 2010 - 02:17 .

[TheMufflon]

Late Lord Fuj wrote...

But graphics outshines everything. Why would you even want to play an ugly obsolete game when you can bask in the Bloom of Oblivion? Also, heavan't you read what I wrote:

You've got a point there. More bloom means more better.

[Herr Uhl]

Late Lord Fuj wrote...

...primarily because it let go of the shackles imposed by an obsolete PC platform ...

How is PC a restricting platform?

[Late Lord Fuj]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Late Lord Fuj wrote...

...primarily because it let go of the shackles imposed by an obsolete PC platform ...

How is PC a restricting platform?

Well, PC exclusive games look like this:


I am sure that everybody agrees that isometric perspective like in that picture belongs in the ancient history pages and that is how PC exclusive games look.

While modern console games look like this:


That is because PC is essentially a 8-bit architecture barely capable of running DOS and every other functionality is just taped across that feeble core, while X-Box 360 and Playstation 3 are machines dedicated to gaming and who can run games better than the machines deidcated to running games?

Modifié par Late Lord Fuj, 13 janvier 2010 - 02:38 .

[kansadoom]

Late Lord Fuj wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Late Lord Fuj wrote...

...primarily because it let go of the shackles imposed by an obsolete PC platform ...

How is PC a restricting platform?

Well, PC exclusive games look like this:


I am sure that everybody agrees that isometric perspective like in that picture belongs in the ancient history pages and that is how PC exclusive games look.

While modern console games look like this:


That is because PC is essentially a 8-bit architecture barely capable of running DOS and every other functionality is just taped across that feeble core, while X-Box 360 and Playstation 3 are machines dedicated to gaming and who can run games better than the machines deidcated to running games?

Are you joking or being a troll

[NicklasBertelsen]

kansadoom wrote...

Late Lord Fuj wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Late Lord Fuj wrote...

...primarily because it let go of the shackles imposed by an obsolete PC platform ...

How is PC a restricting platform?

Well, PC exclusive games look like this:


I am sure that everybody agrees that isometric perspective like in that picture belongs in the ancient history pages and that is how PC exclusive games look.

While modern console games look like this:


That is because PC is essentially a 8-bit architecture barely capable of running DOS and every other functionality is just taped across that feeble core, while X-Box 360 and Playstation 3 are machines dedicated to gaming and who can run games better than the machines deidcated to running games?

Are you joking or being a troll

obviously trolling.