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[Wompoo]

NicklasBertelsen wrote...

alzo obisididan are not wery good in story department tbh. were is the exitement? motb u were searching for some old curse lol i didnt even finish that game cuz it was so boooooring bioware knows how to write masterful adn exiting plots imho. u can see why obsidian picks up biowores scraps lol.

kaelyn the dove was a ripoff from aerie btw.

Come on, Kaelyn is nothing at all like Aerie, nothing... not remotely the same, in personality, in race and also class structure (one a cleric the other a mage/cleric).  Also BlackIsle (where Obsidian comes from) where heavily involved in both BG 1 and 2. A rip off you say, mawahahahaha, go play them again.

[minamber]

Come on people, I know it's hard to get sarcasm or irony across on forums, but you should still get it when it practically stabs you in the face.



To answer the question, since Sarevok and Jon Irenicus are probably the best villains in any western RPG so far, I'd vote for Bioware (not that my, or anyone else's, vote matters, since Bioware hasn't spent years building this setting only to give to someone else). I do agree that the Archdemon and the whole post-Landsmeet was a bit disappointing, but there is no other studio that does better villains anyway. Especially not Bethesda. Come on, an evil god, a demon prince and an A.I. (reused from FO2, too) , all of whom without any real personnality: just how cliché can you get?

[ArathWoeeye]

NicklasBertelsen wrote...
it its like fo1 against fo3 in fo1 the mayster just wants to kill humans in fo3 u have a naunced vbillain in president eden who basically just wants wahats best for everyone even if it means killing many ppl. shades og grey instead of just boring old villains going muahahaha.

What? WHAT?
I'm sorry but you should have read the text in fallout 1 before saying that. The master did not want to simply kill humans. he believed that the mutants were the best bet for humanity. He meant the mutants to be the only race, since they were the only strong ones. Thus, the UNITY. Thus, he said JOIN or die. And you could convince him that his decision wasn't what he thought it was and make him destroy the place.

Any similarities? Eden is Master's rip-off, it's not something new. And outside of that, fallout 3 was mostly good vs evil. Bandits were totally evil. BoS was totally good. The real BoS was just a little faction of insignificance.

The other villain in fallout 3 was the officer, who had no depth at all, presumed dead in the worst scene in PC games ever then actually died in another crappy scene. 

I'm sorry but fallout 3 sucked in that sense.
The Pitt DLC however, was a very good example of gray-area decisions and how "good" can be "evil" and vice versa. I salute Bethesda for that.

[Darth Obvious]

NicklasBertelsen wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

to the OP: Kreia is perhaps my all-time favorite video game character. Such a unique perspective, and the voice-acting and writing for her character were superb.

lol omg. eveyrthing biowore ever wrote is much better that kreia. who here disagrees? i dont think anyone do cuz unlike u, most fans off biowore are CLEVER and kno gud writing from bad LOL.

You can't even spell simple words. What do you know about good writing?

I am a published researcher. You?

[TheMufflon]

Darth Obvious wrote...

NicklasBertelsen wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

to the OP: Kreia is perhaps my all-time favorite video game character. Such a unique perspective, and the voice-acting and writing for her character were superb.

lol omg. eveyrthing biowore ever wrote is much better that kreia. who here disagrees? i dont think anyone do cuz unlike u, most fans off biowore are CLEVER and kno gud writing from bad LOL.

You can't even spell simple words. What do you know about good writing?

He knows enough to troll you, apparently.

[Jackforpops]

I know good enough writing to know that fallout 3 had complex nuances and thrilling environmental discoveries on par with cormac mcarthy's best work the road. I mean, dragon age was just you go here you talk to this guy you do this quest, while fallout 3 was so much more. You had an apartment for chrissakes. You don't need pointless followers who give you useless information about rocks and tumors or whatever. Liam neeson was also not underused at all, and a better celeberty than that guy from crossing jordan. Obsidian would make the best villian because it would crash your game lololol and make you not play.

[AngryFrozenWater]

AndhairaX wrote...

[...] With Bioware however, we have the either absolutely evil or paladin-oh-pure-of-heart personalities which rarely allow us to ask such questions. [...]

If Leliana isn't grey then I don't know who is.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 13 janvier 2010 - 03:54 .

[addiction21]

Darth Obvious wrote...

You can't even spell simple words. What do you know about good writing?

I am a published researcher. You?

Ohhh ohhh are you the one that proved that waffles are in fact the best breakfest food? Because I would love to shake your hand.

[TheMufflon]

addiction21 wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

You can't even spell simple words. What do you know about good writing?

I am a published researcher. You?

Ohhh ohhh are you the one that proved that waffles are in fact the best breakfest food? Because I would love to shake your hand.

That study was such BS! Everyone know pancakes are superior to waffles in every way.

[addiction21]

TheMufflon wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

You can't even spell simple words. What do you know about good writing?

I am a published researcher. You?

Ohhh ohhh are you the one that proved that waffles are in fact the best breakfest food? Because I would love to shake your hand.

That study was such BS! Everyone know pancakes are superior to waffles in every way.

I do not mean to be rude but... I hope you stub your toe and burn yourself on your pancake pan for your blasphemous words.

Modifié par addiction21, 13 janvier 2010 - 04:03 .

[TheMufflon]

addiction21 wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

You can't even spell simple words. What do you know about good writing?

I am a published researcher. You?

Ohhh ohhh are you the one that proved that waffles are in fact the best breakfest food? Because I would love to shake your hand.

That study was such BS! Everyone know pancakes are superior to waffles in every way.

I do not mean to be rude but...  I hope you get herpes and burn in hell for your blasphemous words.

That's still better than waffles!

[addiction21]

With a name like that I would think you would be defending muffins

[iOwnDino]

I'm just throwing it out there, but I would love a gigantic boss like the one in RE4, or the Rakk Hive in Borderlands... IT HAS TO BE HUMONGOUS!

[NicklasBertelsen]

Wompoo wrote...

NicklasBertelsen wrote...

alzo
obisididan are not wery good in story department tbh. were is the
exitement? motb u were searching for some old curse lol i didnt even
finish that game cuz it was so boooooring bioware knows how to write
masterful adn exiting plots imho. u can see why obsidian picks up
biowores scraps lol.

kaelyn the dove was a ripoff from aerie btw.

Come
on, Kaelyn is nothing at all like Aerie, nothing... not remotely the
same, in personality, in race and also class structure (one a cleric
the other a mage/cleric).  Also BlackIsle (where Obsidian comes from)
where heavily involved in both BG 1 and 2. A rip off you say,
mawahahahaha, go play them again.

lol. their practially the same. same background same motivation even the samea voice actor ffs.- just another examplke of obsididan rpping off biowore.

ArathWoeeye wrote...

NicklasBertelsen wrote...
it
its like fo1 against fo3 in fo1 the mayster just wants to kill humans
in fo3 u have a naunced vbillain in president eden who basically just
wants wahats best for everyone even if it means killing many ppl.
shades og grey instead of just boring old villains going muahahaha.

What? WHAT?
I'm
sorry but you should have read the text in fallout 1 before saying
that. The master did not want to simply kill humans. he believed that
the mutants were the best bet for humanity. He meant the mutants to be
the only race, since they were the only strong ones. Thus, the UNITY.
Thus, he said JOIN or die. And you could convince him that his decision
wasn't what he thought it was and make him destroy the place.

Any
similarities? Eden is Master's rip-off, it's not something new. And
outside of that, fallout 3 was mostly good vs evil. Bandits were
totally evil. BoS was totally good. The real BoS was just a little
faction of insignificance.

The other villain in fallout 3 was
the officer, who had no depth at all, presumed dead in the worst scene
in PC games ever then actually died in another crappy scene. 

I'm sorry but fallout 3 sucked in that sense.

wtf...! president eden had the flying radio saying propaganda all ove the wasterland which was just way more COOLER than mayster. also eden was way more detailed adn with proper motivation unlike THE MAYSTER
who was jus like "hey lets kill ppl make them mutants". since you can
even convince him this viewpoint is WRONG it means he had nothing in
terms ov motivation LOL.this is obvious fact.

Darth Obvious wrote...

NicklasBertelsen wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

to the OP: Kreia is perhaps my all-time favorite video game character. Such a unique perspective, and the voice-acting and writing for her character were superb.

lol omg. eveyrthing biowore ever wrote is much better that kreia. who here disagrees? i dont think anyone do cuz unlike u, most fans off biowore are CLEVER and kno gud writing from bad LOL.

You can't even spell simple words. What do you know about good writing?

I am a published researcher. You?

lyke i said my big brother who is FIFTEEN knows gud writig so he taught me. ur obviously not a publisher or a very good 1 if u cant agree wit me LOL.

roofles.

[ArathWoeeye]

I hadn't read other posts of yours, it was too late when I realized you were a troll

[NicklasBertelsen]

im no trool wtf ur on about.

[Frozeal]

NicklasBertelsen wrote...

im no trool wtf ur on about.

lolol let them b they must b jelousy you know? because u have a cool brother that knows how to write n stuff and maybe they dont think by themselves n only with what the teacher taught them in scool looooooool
they are so limited that they cant comprehend the deepnesess of biowere cuz they are like 13-year old n stuff (im 14 so I have lots of more exp than them rofl)
so keep up the epic job and cool stuff with dragonage original its the most profound thing like since lort or fantasy stuff liek that

[addiction21]

iOwnDino wrote...

I'm just throwing it out there, but I would love a gigantic boss like the one in RE4, or the Rakk Hive in Borderlands... IT HAS TO BE HUMONGOUS!

There looks to be some big ones in the expansion coming up but nothing like Shadow of the Colosseus type sorry

[KilrB]

TheMufflon wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Darth Obvious wrote...

You can't even spell simple words. What do you know about good writing?

I am a published researcher. You?

Ohhh ohhh are you the one that proved that waffles are in fact the best breakfest food? Because I would love to shake your hand.

That study was such BS! Everyone know pancakes are superior to waffles in every way.

I do not mean to be rude but...  I hope you get herpes and burn in hell for your blasphemous words.

That's still better than waffles!

Not so!

Pancake on a stick though ...

That IS  better than waffles.

 ... until they put waffles on a stick.

[Lockkaliber]

minamber wrote...

Come on people, I know it's hard to get sarcasm or irony across on forums, but you should still get it when it practically stabs you in the face.

To answer the question, since Sarevok and Jon Irenicus are probably the best villains in any western RPG so far, I'd vote for Bioware (not that my, or anyone else's, vote matters, since Bioware hasn't spent years building this setting only to give to someone else). I do agree that the Archdemon and the whole post-Landsmeet was a bit disappointing, but there is no other studio that does better villains anyway. Especially not Bethesda. Come on, an evil god, a demon prince and an A.I. (reused from FO2, too) , all of whom without any real personnality: just how cliché can you get?

Sarevoks motivation for what he was doing was literally "I AM EVIL BLARGH I HAVE NO NUANCES", backed up by the flimsy lore of the Forgotten Realms. If that beats Kreia, Shodan or The Transcendent one I'll be damned. I'll give you that Jon Irenicus is one of the better characters Bioware has created, but he is nowhere near the league of Kreia.

Modifié par Lockkaliber, 13 janvier 2010 - 04:46 .

[Behindyounow]

I prefer my villains to be disgustingly evil.



I want to go "You bastard!" at them, not "Awww! He's not so evil after all!"

[Frozeal]

Behindyounow wrote...

I prefer my villains to be disgustingly evil.

I want to go "You bastard!" at them, not "Awww! He's not so evil after all!"

I prefer better when the line between evil and good is purely conventional and it's difficult to make the distinction between the moral judgments of the hero's actions and the villain actions. The typical "pure" hero, paladin of goodness, is too predictable and boring, it's how society has been behaving since.. well, since formalized religion.
The "Awww! He's not so evil after all!" replace it for a "Oh shi- how I'm judging him if now I see I'm not so different from him"

[addiction21]

Frozeal wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

I prefer my villains to be disgustingly evil.

I want to go "You bastard!" at them, not "Awww! He's not so evil after all!"

I prefer better when the line between evil and good is purely conventional and it's difficult to make the distinction between the moral judgments of the hero's actions and the villain actions. The typical "pure" hero, paladin of goodness, is too predictable and boring, it's how society has been behaving since.. well, since formalized religion.
The "Awww! He's not so evil after all!" replace it for a "Oh shi- how I'm judging him if now I see I'm not so different from him"

It does seem to come down to personal preference. I said something similiar a few pages back, but for me it is how it is done not what it is. Just my two waffles.

[Darth Obvious]

Lockkaliber wrote...

Sarevoks motivation for what he was doing was literally "I AM EVIL BLARGH I HAVE NO NUANCES", backed up by the flimsy lore of the Forgotten Realms. If that beats Kreia, Shodan or The Transcendent one I'll be damned. I'll give you that Jon Irenicus is one of the better characters Bioware has created, but he is nowhere near the league of Kreia.

Indeed. Kreia is probably the most three-dimensional Sith Lord in Star Wars history. She has way more depth than any of the Sith Lords in the movies (as Anakin was pitifully one-dimensional and predictable, even before he became a Sith Lord... he was just an annoying brat), and Malak is practically boring in comparison. The only ones I can think of that may be as fleshed-out as Kreia are a few from the novels (Bane perhaps, or Caedus, but even still they were pretty much straight up evil for the most part). Kreia had nuance, which is not all that common in these kinds of genres.

[Jackforpops]

no