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[Emzamination]

The Hierophant wrote...

Seriously Emzamination? Seriously?

Absolutely. People should take priority over features.

[jillabender]

 

David Gaider wrote...

Four things:

1) Thedas is not Europe. It's vaguely based on medieval Europe-- and, while I can see why some people would like more fantasy based on things other than medieval Europe (and I approve-- heck, we did Jade Empire after all), it is and the setting is already created. Making direct comparisons to "it was like this in European history", however, and trying to say that means it should also be like this in Thedas is not going to hold much weight. Dragon Age is not a historical simulation.

2) That said, there were black people in Europe. Depending on which era you look at, in fact, there were potentially a lot of them. Thedas also has Rivain, which is roughly analogous to medieval Spain... but I wouldn't try to stretch the comparison too hard.

3) We've said previously that we'd like to have more ethnic variation in Dragon Age. Our previous engine couldn't do very dark skin tones very well, but with that fact changed it's something we'd like to include. Rivain does exist, like I said, and while they're not the most populous country their people are not exactly barred into their cities. We're going to include them where they make sense, and thankfully there are indeed places where they make sense. It's perfectly reasonable for people to ask for more of this-- it's not about "political correctness" so much as not making the default white in every single instance just because nobody thought it could maybe be otherwise.

4) All that said, trying to squeeze every real-world ethnicity onto one continent simply isn't going to happen. There are, however, places in Dragon Age other than the continent of Thedas... should we ever go to those places, one should expect to see other sorts of people there. And there's nothing stopping the occasional traveler from far away coming into the game for plot reasons, though that's going to be exceptional simply because traffic between the continents is not exactly great. If it was, you'd expect people to be talking about "the lands beyond Thedas" a trifle more, wouldn't you? That could, however, always change.

How people look in the game is really more the Art department's province than Writing's, but we have input on the subject (and a degree of influence over the context). Ultimately this is something you're simply going to have to wait and see on, and we'll show what we mean. Beyond that, however, like I said above there's really no reason to slam anyone who asks for more representation in fantasy. It's a big place.

Here's what David Gaider has to say on the subject of including a variety of races in the Dragon Age games.

[lil yonce]

StElmo wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

Just to chime in, I'm African American and I don't get upset when someone calls me black. It's only offensive when its obviously meant to be offensive.

And African American in the US means something more specific than just black -- something more than descendants of Sub-Saharan Africans that live in America. African American in the US is a more specific ethnic group. Descendants of Sub-Saharan African slaves with some Native American Indian and white European ancestry that have lived for generations in the US. Quite a few have something else in their recent ancestory too, but baseline that's African American.

Black immigrants or mixed race indivduals who look like black Americans, live here, and embrace African American culture often identify as African American. Like President Obama. In that way its a social construct.

Thanks for your response. I hope this thread hasn't derailed to the point of being destructive, I haven't checked it for a few hours and it seems to ahve kicked off a bit.

Also thanks for the corrections

For total correctness that should probably be Native American and/or white European ancestry. Not all of us have both. And when I say some, I mean some. Its not very much on average. We're mostly black.

[The Hierophant]

Volus Warlord wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Seriously Emzamination? Seriously?

Do not doubt the words of Lord Xilizhra or Lady Emzamination. They are to be heard as absolute truth.

Duly noted...

[Maria Caliban]

Emzamination wrote...

I'm not being intolerant. Skin tone is little more than skin pigmentation, while Females and l.g.b.t are actual people. I'd like to think that the inclusion of other human beings would take precedence over being able to color ones skin.

Wow... just wow.

[Volus Warlord]

Emzamination wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

And I could say female is little more than a chromosone

A chromosone that becomes and/defines an alternate human being, while your skin tone will be little more than pigmentation forever. The color of your skin defines your being only so much as you imagine it to, so I'm not seeing the relativity between the two.

lgbt is little more than one's behavior in the bedroom.

How dare you spew such ignorance. Being Lgbt is not about sex, it's a way of life for people.

I'm sure some would say the same for their color, Lady Emzamination.

[The Hierophant]

Emzamination wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Seriously Emzamination? Seriously?

Absolutely. People should take priority over features.

You mean like people lacking cultural representaion, and you dumbing down their grievances into only about skin tone?

[The Hierophant]

Oh **** Maria Caliban still posts on this forum?

[RedArmyShogun]

http://t2.gstatic.co...hagTJ_eDElj20ar

I'm not sure if I should be amused or disappointed...

[John Epler]

Racism, sexism and intolerance of non-binary gender and sexual identities is all pretty awful, and suggesting that 'well race isn't a big thing, not compared to these other problems!' is about the silliest thing I've ever read on these forums. There are people alive today who were around when their 'features', as it has been referred to, prevented them from enjoying basic civil liberties. There were people alive less than a hundred years ago who were around when it was legal for them to be owned as property because of those same 'features'.

I would strongly, strongly recommend that you choose your next words carefully. However, as this thread has shown, it seems we are unable to address this topic with the respect and thoughtfulness it deserves. So it's getting locked. Some of you, however, are on incredibly thin ice.

Modifié par John Epler, 07 mars 2013 - 07:16 .