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You know, I think Talon is the most powerful character of Reckoning and Geth Juggernout the Weakest.


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RedJohn

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Yes, as title says.

For me it is the most powerful character of this DLC alongside with the collector.

So basically from most powerful to weakest in my opinion it is like this:

1- Talon

-I think this is the most powerful character for its mines, some people will say "blablablabla it is only good for the mines and it's boring because you will only using mines", the same as most infiltrators, cloak, shot, cloak, shot :P, but anyways, I think this character is the most powerful due to the massive damage of Cain mines, they can deal 2850 damage if spec'd for pure damage and you have 12 of these marvelous things if you spec for granade capacity, 17 with granade Gear V and even much more damage if you use a power amp IV, the damage is so big, that I can kill an entire platinum spawn with enough mines, there isn't any other character in this game capable of deal that amount of damage in a short period of time.

This power compensate all his other weaknesses like the useless bow and his kind of squishiness.

2- Collector 

-This character is just amazing if well used, his damage output is really amazing, you can detonate a good amount of biotic explosions in seconds, even the fury can't detonate as much explosions as the Collector in a short period of time.

This character besides of skill requires creativity to be used at its maximum capacity.
The way I use to do massive crowd control is this:
First I use Dark Sphere: as we know when you use it it doesn't trigger a cooldown until you detonate it, then I use reave on another enemy to prime then and then I use the swarm in the reave primed enemy for biotic explosion, in that lapse of time the Dark Sphere reach the spawn priming the enemies and I proceed to use the swarms again, and biotic explosion again  and swarm to another enemy and then detonate the sphere, of course you have to do this very fast because if not the sphere will just go away.

Also after that I easily finish them with my PPR and warp ammo.

Dat primitive......

The thing with the collector is, is not a very easy character to master, it takes time, skill and creativity to be able to take it to the limit.

I run it without ascension mode.


3- EDIBOT

- l Iove this character, really much, l like her movements, her Cloak evo, even Repair Matrix, I really like it even if I think it is totally broken.

but anyways, even with Tactical Cloak i think this character can't reach the damage output of the collector or Talon.

I just love what this character do to my Claymore, I like her speed, everything, starting with how it looks :P
It takes down bosses pretty quick, mainly with a Claymore, if you use it with another non-Claymore shotgun then it's fine too, some people like reegar on it, I personally prefeer Claymore, well i think you have noticed I prefeer claymore for all the times you have read claymore in this paragraph, but it's never enough to say Claymore.

Claymore :happy:

Of course, she has other advantages that allow her to deal more damage, like for example Snap Freeze, I don't personally use it on her because I think it is a waste on her but other people enjoy it.

Also Repair Matrix, amazing power, i love it, but I think it takes out all the risk of the character making it an iWin character, I think it would be fine if this power had cooldown but instead of that it is a granade kind power but I still love it, even if I think that the duration should be reduced and the damage reduction should be nerfed to give it a little more of a risk, it is also the first character that have made me call for a minor nerf, but anyways, those are my opinions :P

4- Cabal

-The DoT queen, I put her above the Warlord because this girl can deal a good amount of damage in a big area, besides the flexibility.

Her powers are not amazing against heavy units, but she just destroy mooks like if they were nothing, her ability to deal with big amount of enemies at the same time is great, that's why I put her above the Warlord, because he can't deal so much damage to so much enemies at the same time.

5- Warlord

-HAMMER TIME

Probably my favorite character, this guy is a true krogan, therefore I use it with Graal or Claymore. 
Graal has a cool advantage and is that you can shot while sprinting, claymore can't do that.
The health regen is great, the Hammer is THE hammer and the sound everytime I use it just AWESOME with caps.

He can deal great amount of damage with his melee, either electric hammer or biotic hammer, both are great.

of course he has his weaknesses like for example the high rate of sync kill, and he is slow, but the damage he is capable to cause is great.

6- Juggernaut

-Don't mess with this Unit

The tankiest character in the game, I run it 100% weapon plattform

I like to use Cyclonic IV and Shield Booster just for overkill

Also I use it with Typhoon and GPS, because I consider the spitfire rubish.

Well, the thing is,  I put this guy last because he can't deal that huge amount of damage in a short time, he is very slow and if you want to kill enemies and they are in the other side of the map you will probably feel the need of close the game, he is a real tank, can't be sync killed, can regen its shields with melee.

It is overall an amazing character, but in my opinion, the other 5 are more powerful that this guy.


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So yes, for me Talon is the most powerful and Juggernaut the weakest.

I base this in my own tests and experience with each one, gold and play solos, etc.


Now I would love to see which one do you think it's the most powerful character and the weakest and why.

Give me all your opinions :D

I would like to know how would you put them, who is your most powerful and your weakest?

Modifié par RedJohn, 07 mars 2013 - 05:02 .


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This thread will either turn into whining about the AIU, or whining about the Talon. I've just simply come to the conclusion that none of the new classes are bad.

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JediHarbinger

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Ahhhh.

I see what your doing there! ;)

Talon is god! :wizard:

Bah! I can't say that with a straight face! :pinched:

Talon is a bum kit! :devil:

Modifié par JediHarbinger, 07 mars 2013 - 07:12 .


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Crimson Vanguard

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I will let my opinion clouds my judgment

1 - Warlord
2 - Warlord
3 - Warlord
4 - Warlord
5 - Warlord
6 - AIU

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JediHarbinger

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1.) Collector Adept

2.) Krogan Hulk

3.) don't care, only 1 and 2 matters

B)

Modifié par JediHarbinger, 07 mars 2013 - 07:14 .


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redjon pls ;)

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clopin wrote...

This thread will either turn into whining about the AIU, or whining about the Talon. I've just simply come to the conclusion that none of the new classes are bad.



There is no reason to ''whine'' here, we are just discussing which kit do we think it is the most powerful and the weakest in our opinion.

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Certainly the most broken

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Collector and AIU are both really good IMO. I also feel like the Warlord is powerful but can't take a hit. Juggern00b is okay but I can't get him down right so Idk and I have had a few good matches with the talon but most of them are bad.. do NOT know how to use him.

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Nuking with the Talon?

Collector as a Weapons Platform?

This is what I think you have discovered.

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I agree with you, RedJohn. I've watched some good Talons recently. They kill EVERYTHING. I really like following them around because they synergize well with my Cabal.

In my biased opinion though: Human Female Soldier >Human Infiltrator >Cabal > Everyone else

Modifié par Jiovanie-, 07 mars 2013 - 07:21 .


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I think it´s hard to discuss...since it´s a teambased game the value of some classes is more dependent on your team than others. Take the Juggernaut as an example (i don´t like him too much, since i prefer fast moving kits). If your team consist of 4 players who have soloed Gold or even Plat, he will be totally useless. If you have people on your team, who are just starting to go for gold, he might be really helpful for them.

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Collector
Talon
Cabal
EDI
Juggernaut
Warlord

Cabal might be the best on certain maps and host, the potential to do tons of damage over time and not be damaged, but I am not there yet in Platinum.

Talon did improve once I put a sniper. It's way easier to look at cain mines placement with a scope, and being far away his shields didn't matter and I could put points for the omni bow.

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Jack Crapper wrote...

Nuking with the Talon?

Collector as a Weapons Platform?

This is what I think you have discovered.



Collector for full power with 0 fitness, yo.

The weapon platform is amazing, but I get better massive crowd control with power damage.

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The Talon is fairly good if you play him as the host.

I'd not call him the "most powerful", though.

Modifié par Ryumanjisen, 07 mars 2013 - 07:27 .


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RedJohn wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Nuking with the Talon?

Collector as a Weapons Platform?

This is what I think you have discovered.



Collector for full power with 0 fitness, yo.

The weapon platform is amazing, but I get better massive crowd control with power damage.

I have a 0 fitness build, too.  I went full weapon passives though (meant to do rank 5 Power, but did headshot out of habit). 
I actually like the idea behind Ascension Mode, but either the long animation for the wind up or the short duration need to go for me to invest into it.
His powers are badass.

So, regarding the Talon, you're nuking with the mines, aren't you?  Do you use the bow at all?  I found the bow to be rather lackluster unless hosting, so I didn't invest into melee damage in Fitness after that.  My focus is all mines and weapon with him.

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Jack Crapper wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Nuking with the Talon?

Collector as a Weapons Platform?

This is what I think you have discovered.



Collector for full power with 0 fitness, yo.

The weapon platform is amazing, but I get better massive crowd control with power damage.

I have a 0 fitness build, too.  I went full weapon passives though (meant to do rank 5 Power, but did headshot out of habit). 
I actually like the idea behind Ascension Mode, but either the long animation for the wind up or the short duration need to go for me to invest into it.
His powers are badass.

So, regarding the Talon, you're nuking with the mines, aren't you?  Do you use the bow at all?  I found the bow to be rather lackluster unless hosting, so I didn't invest into melee damage in Fitness after that.  My focus is all mines and weapon with him.


If you specc out of headshots do headshots still give you a bonus to damage?

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inb4 Talon is only good for Cain spam.

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1 the mighty Juggernaut
2 Cabal
3 AIU
4 Collector
5 Krolord
6 Talon

This is entirely subjective based on how they have been performing for me. I expect other players experience may be very different (if we all acknowledged tha there might be less whining for nerfs).

Juggy has helped me lift my game into Gold (even topped scores once - never done that before). Cabal feels right as i like vanguards. AIU is a solid CQC infiltrator (though not as godly as people make out, i see other players dying & underperforming with her regularly on Silver). Krogan doesn't deal as much damage with the hammer as id hoped & tends to get sync killed. Talon is weak but i had a decent match with him last night.

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Bow? Man I run talon with 0 fitness too, without Granade gear I get 12 mines!!!

17 with granade gear, sometimes I use power amps....

That thing is brutal.


No I don't use the bow even in between waves :P

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Tyrannus00 wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Nuking with the Talon?

Collector as a Weapons Platform?

This is what I think you have discovered.



Collector for full power with 0 fitness, yo.

The weapon platform is amazing, but I get better massive crowd control with power damage.

I have a 0 fitness build, too.  I went full weapon passives though (meant to do rank 5 Power, but did headshot out of habit). 
I actually like the idea behind Ascension Mode, but either the long animation for the wind up or the short duration need to go for me to invest into it.
His powers are badass.

So, regarding the Talon, you're nuking with the mines, aren't you?  Do you use the bow at all?  I found the bow to be rather lackluster unless hosting, so I didn't invest into melee damage in Fitness after that.  My focus is all mines and weapon with him.


If you specc out of headshots do headshots still give you a bonus to damage?

Yes, you will get the standard bonus.  However, specing into the headshot bonus will give you add'l headshot damage.

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RedJohn wrote...

Bow? Man I run talon with 0 fitness too, without Granade gear I get 12 mines!!!

17 with granade gear, sometimes I use power amps....

That thing is brutal.


No I don't use the bow even in between waves :P

Yup, that's what I did the first time around.  Since then, I put 4 in AP Arrows for add'l grenades and 4 ranks in Fitness for a little extra health and shields.
What weapon do you like on him?

I like PPR & Scorpion (EM + Power Mod)

I usually play him with a power amp.

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Ah yes another "Talon is good because Cain Mine Everything".

Does not make him any less of a crappy class. His main gimmick is the weakest POS to use above silver.

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nerf him then

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Most powerful i'd say edibot and collector
Least is juggy until i figure him out...
Most interesting.....definitely collector
Did not play with talon much...only 3 waves total i ges so no comment