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[capn233]

Throughout Citadel, for some reason Shep seems to refer to Ash as "LT."  And when he goes to the bar in the Casino to meet her, he even specifically says "I'm looking for a Lieutenant Williams."  Not Commander...

Probably an oversight (like the bonus power), but I think it is odd that this could happen.

And no I don't feel any nerd rage or anything of that nature.

Modifié par capn233, 07 mars 2013 - 07:42 .

[DEATHSCOPE]

Maybe it's just a nickname. Like how everybody in the Mass Effect universe just call Shepard, "Commander".

[Kastrenzo]

She is a Lieutenant Commander, and Shepard calls her LT for short,

Militarily she is only a few ranks beneath Shepard, like, 1 at the least and 4 at the most

Modifié par Kastrenzo, 07 mars 2013 - 07:53 .

[KangDo]

Maybe Shepard was just too lazy to call her by the full rank.

[Dr_Extrem]

Kastrenzo wrote...

She is a Lieutenant Commander, and Shepard calls her LT for short,

Militarily she is only a few ranks beneath Shepard, like, 1 at the least and 4 at the most

in fact, shepard and williams have the same rank - both are lieutenant commander. but shepard bears this rank longer and is therefore in a superior postition. in addition, shepard has his/her own command.

my guess is, that shepard is a bit lazy.

[Northern Sun]

Both are Lieutenant Commanders, but Shepard's already claimed "Commander" for 3+ years, so Ash just has to settle.

[curbsideprophet]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Kastrenzo wrote...

She is a Lieutenant Commander, and Shepard calls her LT for short,

Militarily she is only a few ranks beneath Shepard, like, 1 at the least and 4 at the most

in fact, shepard and williams have the same rank - both are lieutenant commander. but shepard bears this rank longer and is therefore in a superior postition. in addition, shepard has his/her own command.

my guess is, that shepard is a bit lazy.

There's a difference between Lt. Commander and Commander, just as there is with Lt. Colonel and Colone. Shep outranks Ash; it's not a matter of deferring to seniority and/or respect.

[Han Shot First]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Kastrenzo wrote...

She is a Lieutenant Commander, and Shepard calls her LT for short,

Militarily she is only a few ranks beneath Shepard, like, 1 at the least and 4 at the most

in fact, shepard and williams have the same rank - both are lieutenant commander. but shepard bears this rank longer and is therefore in a superior postition. in addition, shepard has his/her own command.

my guess is, that shepard is a bit lazy.

Actually whether or not Shepard is still a Lt. Commander in Mass Effect 3 isn't entirely clear.

In ME3 his rank is abbreviated as CDR and his rank on the Memorial Wall is listed as 'Commander.' If Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, his rank should have been abbreviated as LCDR and the Memorial Wall should have either listed him as LCDR Shepard or Lt. Commander Shepard. ME3 implies that his rank is Commander, rather than Lt. Commander. A Commander is one rank higher than a Lt. Commander.

The problem is that according to the codex the Alliance doesn't have a Commander rank. It goes from Lt. Commander to Staff Commander. Hopefully that gets amended in Mass Effect 4 to include a Commander rank between Lt. Commander and Staff Commander. It would then explain why Shepard's rank is abbreviated as CDR in ME3 and why his rank appears as Commander on the Memorial Wall: He got promoted.

As for Ashley being referred to as a lieutenant, I think that was an oversight that can't be explained within the game. A Lieutenant Commander wouldn't be called 'Lieutenant' for short, especially when there is an actual Lieutenant rank in the Alliance that is a couple rungs lower in the chain of command than a Lt. Commander.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 mars 2013 - 08:20 .

[Dr_Extrem]

curbsideprophet wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Kastrenzo wrote...

She is a Lieutenant Commander, and Shepard calls her LT for short,

Militarily she is only a few ranks beneath Shepard, like, 1 at the least and 4 at the most

in fact, shepard and williams have the same rank - both are lieutenant commander. but shepard bears this rank longer and is therefore in a superior postition. in addition, shepard has his/her own command.

my guess is, that shepard is a bit lazy.

There's a difference between Lt. Commander and Commander, just as there is with Lt. Colonel and Colone. Shep outranks Ash; it's not a matter of deferring to seniority and/or respect.

http://masseffect.wi...mmander_Shepard

http://masseffect.wi...Ashley_Williams look at the "mass effect 3" part

Systems Alliance: Military Ranks
The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personal, experienced non-commissioned officers (NCOs), and specially trained officers.
The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen.
In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are:
ENLISTED

• Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
• Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
• Serviceman 1st class/Corporal

NCOs

• Service Chief
• Gunnery Chief
• Operations Chief

OFFICERS

• 2nd Lieutenant
• 1st Lieutenant
• Staff Lieutenant
• Lieutenant Commander
• Staff Commander
• Captain/Major
• Rear Admiral/General
• Admiral
• Fleet Admiral

[Sir Manguydude]

Technically Shepard still outranks her as he is also N7 ranked.

[Dr_Extrem]

Sir Manguydude wrote...

Technically Shepard still outranks her as he is also N7 ranked.

funfact ... kaiden outranks shepard.

n7 operatives do not outrank other officers - n7 operatives are treated with great respect. thats a difference.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 07 mars 2013 - 08:38 .

[NeonFlux117]

Ash and everyone else, except Space Batman, has to settle and know their place among Shepard.

[BigBad]

Yet again, N7 is not a rank. It denotes proficiency. N7 soldiers are considered to be elite operatives, more skilled than rank and file, but it does not place them outside the chain of command. That would be Spectre status.

[Han Shot First]

Sir Manguydude wrote...

Technically Shepard still outranks her as he is also N7 ranked.

N7 status isn't a rank.

It is more like a military occupational speciality for special operations personnel. To compare it to the real world, a Sergeant in the Special Forces doesn't outrank an infantry Captain who doesn't have a special operations background.

[AsheraII]

There's only one thing I found odd about the Citadel DLC. Ashley has Spectre status as well, so she should've been able to counter the lockouts when Shepards' identity was stolen.

[Darkelefantos1]

Shepard outranks the Virmire Survivor. Technically, at least. Thing is, he never got promoted after becoming a Spectre, because it technically takes him out of Alliance Military and puts him under Council authority. Then he was dead for 2 years, then worked with Cerberus and then he was imprisoned. No time for promotions.
But as long as Shepard is the Captain of the SR2, he outranks Kaidan and Ashley, who put themselves under his command (or rather, they ask whether they can join).

[darkchaosbunny]

I know it's cheesy, but I loved the idea of being Supreme Commander of the Galactic Force. That would solve that rank problem immediately. Yes that was in the script leaked in November that the Council declared you that title. I can see why they dropped it, but then you look at Kai Leng which basically turns Cerberus into Team Rocket and suddenly that title does not seem out of place at all. If anything, along with the Citadel DLC, cheese can save the game by showing not to take everything so seriously.

[Chiantirose1982]

LT is just short form of Lieutenant. Even though Kaidan outranks her in ME1 (Staff Lieutenant), she always calls him LT. It's just a nickname.

[Han Shot First]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

LT is just short form of Lieutenant. Even though Kaidan outranks her in ME1 (Staff Lieutenant), she always calls him LT. It's just a nickname.

Ashley is a Lt. Commander however, not a Lieutenant. That she is called Lieutenant in the DLC is an error.

[nos_astra]

I think, that she was introduced as Lt. Commander was the error and the Citadel DLC fixes it. (Or makes it less of a WTF.)

[Tron Mega]

isnt ash a spectre?

lol, ash IS a spectre.

w.t.f.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 07 mars 2013 - 01:16 .

[im commander shep]

Ash has done well between ME1 to ME 3, 5 ranks in that time. Considering she was a gunnery chief in ME1.

[Dr_Extrem]

im commander shep wrote...

Ash has done well between ME1 to ME 3, 5 ranks in that time. Considering she was a gunnery chief in ME1.

plus .. getting an officers patent, with her crap assignments and attitude towards other species, is a borderline miracle.

[Anchor654]

Ashley is an Alliance Marine while Shepard is in the Alliance Navy with his command of the Normandy. Ranks are named differently in either area; just like America's military branches today. A Commander in the U.S. Navy is equal in rank to a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Marines for example.

Edit: Also, I guess to actually answer the OP's topic :innocent: (it's early darnit! Coffeeee) It's also common practice to call a Lieutenant Commander in today's U.S. military Commander for short. Maybe it's the same in the Mass Effect universe just backwards in Ash's case; or maybe Shep's rank is really LtCDR? 

Modifié par Anchor654, 07 mars 2013 - 01:36 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Anchor654 wrote...

Ashley is an Alliance Marine while Shepard is in the Alliance Navy with his command of the Normandy. Ranks are named differently in either area; just like America's military branches today. A Commander in the U.S. Navy is equal in rank to a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Marines for example.

the differences are only there, if you are enlisted and or after captain/major.

NCOs and "basic" officers share the names for the ranks.

Systems Alliance: Military Ranks

The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personal, experienced non-commissioned officers (NCOs), and specially trained officers.
The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen.
In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are:

ENLISTED

• Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
  
• Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
  
• Serviceman 1st class/Corporal

NCOs

• Service Chief
  
• Gunnery Chief
  
• Operations Chief

OFFICERS

• 2nd Lieutenant
  
• 1st Lieutenant
  
• Staff Lieutenant
  
• Lieutenant Commander
  
• Staff Commander
  
• Captain/Major
  
• Rear Admiral/General
  
• Admiral
  
• Fleet Admiral

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 07 mars 2013 - 01:36 .