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[MWMike2011]

 Okay, now that ME3 is over, the endings stand and nothing is going to be changed...what was the deal with that Breath Scene, BioWare? I mean, was it simply to inspire hope that your Shep survived the events on the Catalyst? Was Shepard on the Citadel, or had he fallen to Earth again?

Personally, after playng Citadel, I can forgive the rest of the problems I had with the ending, and think I can finally just accept that it is what it is, and while it wasn't the way I would have chosen to end the series, it works for what it needs to be. That last scene in the rubble has just confused me and seemed to be the key to Indoctrination/near death for me.

And before anyone jumps on me about this, yes, I did support Indoctrination Theory, simply because it was close to my initial thoughts to what was going on after playing the game the first time. After I originally finished, I thought that, SURELY, my Shepard was still on the ground in London, and just had a near-death experience, which lines up with the rubble scene. Looking back, it was more of wishful thinking... 

Modifié par MWMike2011, 07 mars 2013 - 04:05 .

[BleedingUranium]

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 07 mars 2013 - 08:24 .

[Applepie_Svk]

It was about BioWare´s artistic integrity and reputation which left to be stuck under the rubble of backlash and its future which is so unclear... you can head canon it, if it´s going to be good or bad.

[Daiyus]

Just a little "secret" ending. Like how if you save all the Mudokons in Abe's Oddysee you get a secret "perfect" ending that isn't considered canon, or how Johnson and the Elite hug at the end of Halo when you complete it on Legendary. Just a little something, nothing to it. And yes, if it allows you to headcanon whatever you like, that's OK too.

[111987]

It shows that if Shepard chooses Destroy with high EMS, he/she survives and somehow makes it back to Earth. After that, it's up to the player to decide what happens. Either Shepard can die from his/her wounds in the rubble or be rescued by his/her squad and reunite with his/her love interest.

How did Shepard survive? No idea, but I like to think Shepard just made it back to the portal or something.

EDIT: Appears I was wrong, and that Shepard was on the Citadel the entire time. That makes far more sense.

Modifié par 111987, 07 mars 2013 - 08:30 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

The Catalyst chamber (or whatever it's called, don't remember) blows up. Shepard gets buried with rubble from the explosion. What happens afterwards is up to you.

Judging from the memorial scene and the fact that Shepard inhales right before the credits roll, I choose to believe that he gets picked up by the crew not too long after, makes a slow but good recovery and lives happily ever after.

[Kataphrut94]

I believe it gets an unsubtle mention in Jack's romance scene. Apparently she nearly lost Rodriguez when she got trapped under a pile of rubble and it worried it might happen to Shepard. Shepard tells her not to worry about it.

As for the scene itself, that's to say "he/she might still be alive". The idea is that the audience get to decide for themselves.

[Eterna]

It is to show that either Shepard is taking a breath or dying, it is up to interpretation. It is also not London, it is the Citadel.

[DEATHSCOPE]

Honestly, nobody knows. Not even BioWare. And even if they do, they'll never divulge such a secret. That information will die, along with their company, when the world begins to crumple. Repent, human, for the time of reckoning is at hand.

[NeonFlux117]

Shepard can breathe in space and survive a free fall from space without a space suit and armor or oxygen- all doing this while severly injured and bleeding. Just like he did at the beginning of Mass Effect 2........ oh wait, he didn't. He died didn't he? Damn, that's kinda ironic.

[KiwiQuiche]

Head canon is all we were left with. Way to go professional writing skills.

[NeonFlux117]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Head canon is all we were left with. Way to go professional writing skills.

without Drew, I think it's a borderline miracle that we got Citadel DLC and Priority Rannoch and Tuchanka. 'professional writing skills", lol. 

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

I believe it gets an unsubtle mention in Jack's romance scene. Apparently she nearly lost Rodriguez when she got trapped under a pile of rubble and it worried it might happen to Shepard. Shepard tells her not to worry about it.

I saw that scene on Youtube.
Guess Jack's post-Destroy headcanon ending would include finding Shepard and going "I told you so, **** (in her friendly way)". 

[Kastrenzo]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

Not this again...




The Rubble Scene is the Batman effect, the dramatic AAA Movie cliffhanger ending. where all the people in the theatre gasp and whisper to each other "OMGWTFBBQ111ONE. HE'S NOT DEAD"

They kind of tried to give you hints with that whole "hesitate" thing that makes the difference between a red ending and a blue/green one, It was kind of hard for me to understand though since Tali was my partner and you can't exactly see facial expressions behind that glass. but that's what it's all supposed to be about, your Closest friend doesnt beileve your dead, then a few mins/seconds later, you get the omgwtfbbq scene I spoke about.

[Kastrenzo]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Head canon is all we were left with. Way to go professional writing skills.

without Drew, I think it's a borderline miracle that we got Citadel DLC and Priority Rannoch and Tuchanka. 'professional writing skills", lol. 

It wasn't that much of a big deal really, add like a 1-5 minute scene that confirmed the survival of Shepard or whatever, ride off into the sunset with their partner, or in the absense of one ride off on an elcor or something, and then roll the credits.  head canon obviously didnt work because people wanted to SEE these things, I Know I did, but I made do

I mean that would have shut a lot of people up,  And I'm trying to be as nice saying that,

[wright1978]

Cheap ambiguity over closure and clarification apparently.

[Kastrenzo]

wright1978 wrote...

Cheap ambiguity over closure and clarification apparently.

controversy breeds attention
attention breeds customers
customers breed profit


Normally this formula works, except here, when you do things that you know are going to upset the customers.
Someone must have been drinking Ryncol ,or some other flammable liquid when they made some of the production decisions of this game. because there's been a few of them, not just the ending crap.

Modifié par Kastrenzo, 07 mars 2013 - 08:58 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Kastrenzo wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

Not this again...




The Rubble Scene is the Batman effect, the dramatic AAA Movie cliffhanger ending. where all the people in the theatre gasp and whisper to each other "OMGWTFBBQ111ONE. HE'S NOT DEAD"

They kind of tried to give you hints with that whole "hesitate" thing that makes the difference between a red ending and a blue/green one, It was kind of hard for me to understand though since Tali was my partner and you can't exactly see facial expressions behind that glass. but that's what it's all supposed to be about, your Closest friend doesnt beileve your dead, then a few mins/seconds later, you get the omgwtfbbq scene I spoke about.

its not a "cliffhanger"

a "cliffhanger" would imply, that shepards story is not over yet - but it is.


its a poorly executed "open end".

[Walsh1980]

I don't see it as ambiguous or open ended, I think it's pretty obvious... Shepard lives.

Does it suck we don't get to actually see him riding into the sunset? You bet, but I doubt they put it in there just ti show you his last breath.

[McAllyster]

Kastrenzo wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

Not this again...




The Rubble Scene is the Batman effect, the dramatic AAA Movie cliffhanger ending. where all the people in the theatre gasp and whisper to each other "OMGWTFBBQ111ONE. HE'S NOT DEAD"

They kind of tried to give you hints with that whole "hesitate" thing that makes the difference between a red ending and a blue/green one, It was kind of hard for me to understand though since Tali was my partner and you can't exactly see facial expressions behind that glass. but that's what it's all supposed to be about, your Closest friend doesnt beileve your dead, then a few mins/seconds later, you get the omgwtfbbq scene I spoke about.

In the Dark Knight Rises movie this was a really well prepared twist. 

1., the dialog with Alfred when he tells Bruce about his Italian trips
2., the autopilot problem of the Bat.

Both of them had role in the narrative and the final twist played on these stuff. The (happy) ending of Batman-trilogy is absolutely clear.

[free17]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Catalyst chamber (or whatever it's called, don't remember) blows up. Shepard gets buried with rubble from the explosion. What happens afterwards is up to you.

Judging from the memorial scene and the fact that Shepard inhales right before the credits roll, I choose to believe that he gets picked up by the crew not too long after, makes a slow but good recovery and lives happily ever after goes on to help Aria take back Omega and fight a clone of himself.

At least, that's how I interpreted it in my game.

[Han Shot First]

It is fairly cut and dry. Shepard was still alive in the rubble of the Citadel in the aftermath of High EMS Destroy. 

Whether or not Shepard survives long enough to get rescued I suppose is up to individual head canon.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 mars 2013 - 09:14 .

[liggy002]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

That's the way I see it and it's the way that the story makes the most sense to me.  In my eyes, there's no way in hell that Shepard would survive an explosion like that on the Citadel.  He would be instantly vaporized.

Modifié par liggy002, 07 mars 2013 - 09:21 .

[Applepie_Svk]

free17 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Catalyst chamber (or whatever it's called, don't remember) blows up. Shepard gets buried with rubble from the explosion. What happens afterwards is up to you.

Judging from the memorial scene and the fact that Shepard inhales right before the credits roll, I choose to believe that he gets picked up by the crew not too long after, makes a slow but good recovery and lives happily ever after goes on to help Aria take back Omega and fight a clone of himself.

At least, that's how I interpreted it in my game.

Do you realized that Catalyst´s chamber is in the middle of Citadel circle.While Original ending was clear that Crucible will affect all the technology no matter the origin, Shepard would end after the shutdown of Mass Effect fields out in space, in the EC was clear that technology will be just damanged but in both endings Citadel gets nice blow.

It´s kind of impossible for Shepard to survive the explosion and yet both endings EC and OC had the same outcome at HIGH ems and that´s the Shepard lying in rumbles.

liggy002 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

That's the way I see it and it's the way that the story makes the most sense to me.

Logic and narrative says that this should be true.
Games showing unreal ending sequence.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 07 mars 2013 - 09:22 .

[liggy002]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

free17 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Catalyst chamber (or whatever it's called, don't remember) blows up. Shepard gets buried with rubble from the explosion. What happens afterwards is up to you.

Judging from the memorial scene and the fact that Shepard inhales right before the credits roll, I choose to believe that he gets picked up by the crew not too long after, makes a slow but good recovery and lives happily ever after goes on to help Aria take back Omega and fight a clone of himself.

At least, that's how I interpreted it in my game.

Do you realized that Catalyst´s chamber is in the middle of Citadel circle.While Original ending was clear that Crucible will affect all the technology no matter the origin, Shepard would end after the shutdown of Mass Effect fields out in space, in the EC was clear that technology will be just damanged but in both endings Citadel gets nice blow.

It´s kind of impossible for Shepard to survive the explosion and yet both endings EC and OC had the same outcome at HIGH ems and that´s the Shepard lying in rumbles.

liggy002 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

That's the way I see it and it's the way that the story makes the most sense to me.

Logic and narrative says that this should be true.
Games showing unreal ending sequence.

I just head canon it and pretend that the EC slides are all in Shepard's head and he is imagining it.  Even if it's not true, it still makes more sense to me that way.